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Rumors abounded for a spell, but what we appear to finally have is the truth: the Knicks just dumped Zach Randolph off on the Los Angeles Clippers. Donnie Walsh has become the un-Isiah.

There's no point in killing the Clippers too much for making what is essentially a pretty pointless move. They don't need Zach Randolph, at all. The idea of Randolph and Chris Kaman playing alongside each other kind of reminds of Zach and Eddy Curry trying to go at it, though Kaman has more high post gifts than Eddy Curry. Michael Kamen had more high post gifts than Eddy Curry, for that matter, but that's beside the point.

Randolph's contract is horrible, and I still think he hurts teams despite his point and rebound production, but the contract isn't piling on the mess in the same way that Isiah piled bad deal after bad deal on his Knicks.

The Clippers had to pay Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas anyway next season, so they're not losing any money this year or next, and with Marcus Camby's contract coming off the books in 2010, the Clippers will have some flexibility in Randolph's final year.

What the deal is, though, is pointless. The Clippers are 29th in offense, and Randolph will help, but what the squad desperately needs is some sort of wing scorer. Actually, they needed two. Cuttino Mobley and Al Thornton have both had their moments this year, but they use up a lot of minutes and a lot of shots to get their (average the two out) 15 points per game. There's a reason this team is so inefficient, and Thornton/Mobley/Ricky Davis' play at the wings has the most to do with it.

And as horrible as Baron Davis has been at times, he's still helping the offense. Not a lot, but he is averaging eight assists for a team that only 35 field goals a game. That's a Steve Carlton-on-the-Phillies level of production, if Carlton had a 9.72 ERA and struck out 12 guys all season.

Davis is shooting 36 percent, he's taking an average of 6.5 three-pointers per game and making an average of 1.6 a contest (re-read that, it's astounding), and he's getting to the line nearly half as much as he used to. Other than that, bang on.

But while Baron should be playing better per his contract and abilities, he's not the problem. Mobley and Thornton and Ricky Davis have been. The team is just getting nothing from those wing spots.

And the team's rebounding, somehow, is awful. The Clippers are being out-rebounded by about five and a half per game, even though Kaman and Camby are combining to average over 20 per game. I don't see how Randolph can help that, because his rebounding acumen will come at the expense of another good rebounder's minutes.

So, essentially, the Clippers have further weakened their weakest position, added a superfluous big man, and a year's worth of salary. Not the end of the world, but not good, either. Maybe they can trade Camby back to the Nuggets for J.R. Smith and a part?

The Knicks, as you know, killed it. Thomas and Mobley don't have to play a game. Hell, if I'm New York, I do a favor to their agents and try to work the buyout. Let them try to catch on with a contender. You don't need old, bad (Thomas' PER is about 10, Mobley's is 11) players taking up space on your team. Trade like mad, if you can.

As it stands, as Woj mentioned, the Knicks have lopped off about $17.34 million off their 2010-11 books, and are only set to send about $18.1 million combined to Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries that year (both player options ... thanks Isiah!), plus the rookie deals of Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari (about $5.4 million, combined). That's a pretty barren landscape, with lots of flexibility.

It doesn't have to be for LeBron, or D-Wade, or Chris Bosh. It just has to be a way to start over. The same start Knicks fans have been waiting for since it became obvious that the Ewing/Sprewell/Houston troika wasn't going to work some eight or nine (depending on your fandom) years ago. What a fantastic trade.

And the Clippers? Thanks for knowing your role.

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  1. dunno
    1. Posted by dunno Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm EDT

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    wtf are the clippers doing??!?!?
  2. dunno
    2. Posted by dunno Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm EDT

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    Why would the Clippers need 3 starting centers?!!?!
  3. Jesus Shuttleworth
    3. Posted by Jesus Shuttleworth Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:51 pm EDT

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    clippers gotta trade kaman or camby or randolph...otherwise while they're at it, they should try to pick up Steph too.
  4. Jesus Shuttleworth
    4. Posted by Jesus Shuttleworth Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:51 pm EDT

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    dunleavy's tenure looks much better than elgin baylor's eh?
  5. seba13pl
    5. Posted by seba13pl Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:11 pm EDT

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    jedyny rozdadny artykul w tym temacie jaki jest teraz w interku
  6. Da Biz
    6. Posted by Da Biz Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm EDT

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    Lets get to the real issue here: Wwhat does this do to Caveman's fantasy value????? HE'S BEEN A BEAST THIS YEAR!!!!!
  7. Zach H. from Talk H.
    7. Posted by Zach H. from Talk H. Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:00 pm EDT

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    When did Zach Randolph become classified as a center?
  8. dru_33
    8. Posted by dru_33 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:48 pm EDT

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    Ricky Davis or Eric Gordon? Which one will get more mins?
  9. Pete O
    9. Posted by Pete O Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:07 pm EDT

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    Great trade for the Knicks, no matter how you look at it.
    Z-Bo can still help the Clips though.
  10. Pete O
    10. Posted by Pete O Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:07 pm EDT

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    Great trade for the Knicks, no matter how you look at it.
    Z-Bo can still help the Clips though.
  11. dunno
    11. Posted by dunno Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm EDT

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    Randolph's been the Knick's center the whole season, so yes he's a center.
  12. Nothing but net
    12. Posted by Nothing but net Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:53 pm EDT

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    camby, kaman, zach.......
    this is why clippers are always losing...
  13. woohitter55
    13. Posted by woohitter55 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:49 pm EDT

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    There was talk a week ago that the Clippers might be looking to move Kaman, they refuted it then but it looks like it could happen now. The Knicks actually will love both the players they got. Cuttino will fill the role that Crawford is leaving behind, and will probably get 25-30 minutes a game shared with Nate Robinson and Anthony Roberson.
    Tim Thomas will split time at Center and Power Forward for the Knicks. In the Style that they play he will be perfect, and might actually be a revelation at the Center Position. The Knicks actually got better in my mind because they got deeper and now Wilson Chandler will be able to develop further.
    The Knicks have a lot more readily tradable chips with these trades today, and the team is possibly improved. Go Knicks
  14. Brandon G- Talkhoops.net
    14. Posted by Brandon G- Talkhoops.net Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:09 pm EDT

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    It's almost as if Elgin Baylor is somehow still controlling the Clips. I can't wait until Stern figures out a way to get Rubio in New York, so he and LeBron can win 10 titles.
  15. woohitter55
    15. Posted by woohitter55 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:49 pm EDT

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    Just because he plays center for the Knicks team, doesn't mean he's a center. He's a PF.
  16. NativeSun
    16. Posted by NativeSun Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:44 pm EDT

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    if that kaman for gerald wallace trade goes through (last weeks rumor) then the clippers acutally aren't that bad. They would have Baron, SG (Eric Gordon, I would hope), Wallace, Randolph, and Camby. Then Ricky Buckets and Thornton off the bench. It's not awful. But they need to get rid of one of those bigs.
  17. Jake
    17. Posted by Jake Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:40 pm EDT

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    good salary dump for the knicks but how in the hell are they improved for this season? Randolphs been a beast this year and I know Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson are coming along pretty nicely in D'Antonio's system, but they just traded away their 2 best players in one day. Period.
  18. Zack G
    18. Posted by Zack G Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:58 pm EDT

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    The Fire Mike Dunleavy movement has to be revisited once again. He needs to go!!
    http://hoopsoup.com/2008/11/13/its-time-to-start-the-fire-mike-dunleavy-movement/
  19. Devine
    19. Posted by Devine Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    I don't know if you guys know this, but once upon a time, Zeebo was the name of an evil clown that haunted a spooky funhouse in an episode of the Canadian-made, American-loved SNICK program "Are You Afraid of the Dark?"
    Also, DONNIE WALSH, FTW. I knew that having a GM who looked like Johnny Sack would pay off.
  20. Devine
    20. Posted by Devine Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    @Jake: This season doesn't matter. I can't stress this enough: THIS SEASON DOESN'T MATTER. They weren't going to win anyway. The first 11 games were a cruel mirage. They're still going to run, and Nate Rob's gonna throw up 100 bad shots that make you tear your hair out, and Wilson Chandler's gonna evolve, and David Lee's gonna get more minutes now, and it's gonna be cray-cray. They'll still be fun; trust it. Please. Everything has worked so far. Everything.
    Whew. For a minute there, I lost myself. Sorry, everyone.
  21. JMVandal (Formerly James M)
    21. Posted by JMVandal (Formerly James M) Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:53 pm EDT

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    Aaww, I'm a Knicks fan, but this post made me sad for the Clippers. Know your role? Great job Donnie!
  22. A. Rizzle
    22. Posted by A. Rizzle Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:17 pm EDT

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    If the Clippers can trade Kaman and Ricky Davis for a guard like Ben Gordon or something now I can see why they did it.
    PG - B.Diddy SG - (B.Gordon) SF - Thornton PF - Randolph C - Camby
  23. tupark82
    23. Posted by tupark82 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 pm EDT

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    did you consider that maybe they wanted to move mobley to let gordon play right away? you make it sound like they have no options for a sg, but i think gordon's gonna be quite a player. we'll see how ti goes with randolph. i'm actually disappointed to see him leave ny because he's been playing well
  24. Hugh J. Blount
    24. Posted by Hugh J. Blount Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:00 pm EDT

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    Zack has been one heck of an asset to the Knicks and I despise this move. As a Knicks fan for over 20 years. I felt Zack was the kind of guy to finally fill Ewing's sneakers. But now it is just another waiting game. I have waited too long already!! I am almost in tears watching this go down. 2 horrible trades in 1 day. Crawford and Zack were the 2 guys that gave the Knicks the opportunity to make the playoffs this season. Now throw that idea out the window. Who will be the ones to get us to the promise land now? Not Harrington. Not Mobley. Certainly not Thomas. So i would like to thank Donnie Walsh for ruining the Knicks. I thought Isiah was bad. Not to mention all of this is to get "Prince" James, the most overrated, big headed athlete in all of sports. I cannot believe the Knicks had a solid team turned into what they have been for 8 years, a complete waste of fanhood. I am starting to wonder who i will cheer for because this has gotten ridiculous. In a season in which i was really excited to watch the Knicks finally come together, they go and do something of such idiocy to completely turn me off again. Donnie Walsh does not deserve credit for anything based the whole plan was to rid the Knicks of players like Curry, Marbury and James.
  25. Bitachu
    25. Posted by Bitachu Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 pm EDT

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    what everyone fails to mention is that the clips got a post scorer that they desperately need right now and they didn't have to give up much other then a few years of salary cap flex. the team wasn't going to do anything with mobley/thomas so why bother with them. at least you have a starting pf that can score 20ppg(remember when they had a pf who could score 20ppg they got them to the playoffs).
    also this trade opens up more pt for players like e.gordan and a.thorton so hopefully they can develop more.
    now the next step is to trade camby to a contender and get a legit wing player. my suggestions would be to hou for either tmac or battier scola or to indy for dunleavy another young player.

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