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Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:07 pm EST

Steelers punter claims a Raven spit in his mouth

This would be much more interesting if it involved Hines Ward and/or Bart Scott, but it's an attention-grabber nonetheless. 

Steelers punter Mitch Berger, who holds for Jeff Reed's placekicks, claims that Ravens special teamer Frank Walker spit in his mouth yesterday. From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

"The guy dove, he tried to take out Jeff's knee," said Berger. "I went over there and he got up and he spit in my face -- and they called it on Jeff for pushing him!"

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"I tried to get in the middle to separate him but he got in my face and spit right in my mouth. He spit right in my mouth. I'm still trying to spit that ... out. I was talking to him, trying to separate everybody and he spit right in my mouth."

Ick. Frank Walker, that is unsportsmanlike and unhygienic. Not to mention unmanly. I know it's a heated rivalry, and I know you were probably upset that you lost, but come on. That does not give you the right to force someone else to accept your bodily fluids into an orifice of theirs. Who are you, Jerramy Stevens?

And besides that, if you're going to spit on someone, do it to someone who can fight back. You're going to spit in the mouth of a punter? A 36-year-old punter, at that? Where is your pride, sir? What's Mitch Berger going to do to retaliate, kick Frank Walker's possessions in a direction that's inconvenient to him?

Sadly, two-thirds of the people involved in this little dust-up (or saliva-up, as it were) kick for a living, so I don't think this is likely to be an ongoing feud. If it involved Ward, Scott, or other people who see physical combat regularly, we might have something to keep an eye on in the future. Berger's only course of action, really, is to tell on the guy.

Gracias, Pro Football Talk.

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  1. Dew God
    1. Posted by Dew God Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:23 pm EDT

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    Talk about a classless act. It's one thing to lose, its quite another to lose bitterly. If the league can review the tapes of this I hope they do. There is no place for that in the game and I hope he gets fined and suspended for it.
  2. BOW
    2. Posted by BOW Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:57 pm EDT

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    ....is this what kickers and punters do in their free time?
  3. Adam
    3. Posted by Adam Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:45 pm EDT

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    I've seen much worse not get called on the field for what Reed got called for. All he did was push the guy! If that would have cost the game for the Steelers, I would have been a little outraged. I know the touchdown call will be a topic of discussion until the next time these two teams, but most agree that it was a touchdown and so do I. It would have been great to see these two teams go to overtime though!
  4. Buck H
    4. Posted by Buck H Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:15 pm EDT

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    the old browns are jealous of the steelers winning tridation and that is the only way for low lifes to speak !
  5. goravens1234
    5. Posted by goravens1234 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    at least they can spell tradition
  6. joe
    6. Posted by joe Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:03 pm EDT

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    they rest of the ravens get that from there top leaders like ray lewis who is class less they deserved to lose that game go steelers
  7. Steve
    7. Posted by Steve Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:43 pm EDT

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    Who agrees it was a touchdown... Steelers fans? As far as the rules go it was not a touchdown and definately not enough eveidence to over turn the call.
  8. stromboli
    8. Posted by stromboli Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:38 pm EDT

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    As a ravens fan, if he did spit in the punter's mouth that is just retarded. Like stated, there is no place for that! As for the TD call, very close, didn't think there was concrete evidence to overturn it, it came down to when the ref thought possesion was...I can almost accept that call, but it still burns! The one thing I can't get over is the first overturned play!!! Are you kidding me, on 3rd down they said he had a first down after reviewing the play, when i thought it was clear as daylight that he was a half yard short, atleast! Ah, well maybe we'll see them in the playoffs or something:)
  9. goravens1234
    9. Posted by goravens1234 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    the refs should start wearing black and yellow instead of black and white
  10. SteelerB
    10. Posted by SteelerB Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:14 pm EDT

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    Dew God, Classless is an understatement. That is lower than low. After all it's still just a game. This is a classic indication of the types of individual that NFL does not need. This man (term used loosely) should severely fined and suspended for the remainder of the season. There is no place in any sports for acts of this nature.
    Steelers continue to rule the north and the Ravens continue to show what classless losers they are. Ravens please quit crying and accept that you will never live up to Steeler standards. See you in Tampa!!!!!!!!!!
  11. boomer3eb
    11. Posted by boomer3eb Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    Bad news Steve....
    According to the NFL Digest of rules:
    "A receiver is deemed to be in possession of a catch when both feet touch down in bounds while the receiver demonstrates control of the football. Should a receiver make a legal catch of the ball with both feet in bounds in the end zone, a touchdown shall be awarded even if no part of the ball was deemed to break the plane of the goal line while in possession of the receiving player."
    Sentence two of that refutes your claim that as far as the rules go it wasnt a TD. I'm sure the NFL offices will make a statement on it within the week.
  12. steely
    12. Posted by steely Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:48 pm EDT

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    you get your share of liquids anally don't you cry baby
  13. goravens1234
    13. Posted by goravens1234 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    The NFL was trying out a new "close enough" rule. The 3rd down run that they called a 1st down was "close enough". The Steelers were "close enough" to getting the ball snapped during the same drive when the play clock ran out - a 15 yard pass to Heath Miller. The drive resulted in a Steelers FG. And Santonio Holmes was "close enough" to the end zone. In all, the Squeelers got 10 gift points.
  14. goravens1234
    14. Posted by goravens1234 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    From Peter King of Sports Illustrated -
    Last night at NBC, we watched the same four replays Walt Coleman saw at M&T Bank Stadium in Baltimore in the final minute of the Steelers-Ravens game. You've seen it by now: With the ball at the Baltimore four-yard line and the Ravens up 9-6, Ben Roethlisberger scrambled and eventually found Santonio Holmes just over the goal line in the end zone. Holmes caught the pass very close to the goal line, with the ball appearing to be outside the goal line at first look and his feet to be in the end zone. The head lineman, Paul Weidner, standing at the goal line on the far sideline, peered around a player as he tried to see the play, and he ruled the ball did not touch the plane of the goal line. All the ball has to in this case is touch the imaginary plane of the goal line while the player has two feet down. It was agonizingly close, but Weidner ruled the ball should be placed at about the three-inch line.
    The magnitude of the play can't be overstated. If the play is upheld, it's fourth-and-three-inches, and Mike Tomlin has the biggest call of his coaching career to make -- go for the touchdown to win the game, knowing he might end up turning it over on downs, or kick the gimme field goal and play for overtime. A Pittsburgh win would clinch the division title. A Baltimore win would tie the two mortal enemies with two weeks to go.
    When we first saw the replay at NBC on one huge, high-def monitor, it appeared to back the call on the field of no touchdown, or make the call inconclusive. But it became like a Where's Waldo thing. The longer you looked at it, the more you could convince yourself the ball, solidly in Holmes' grasp, did pierce the imaginary plane by a matter of inches. But indisputable? By 10:30 p.m., I bet I'd seen it 25 times. And it was the classic kind of play that, if the linesman had called it a touchdown, I don't think Coleman could have overturned it, and if the linesman had ruled it short, I don't think Coleman could have overturned it. My brethren at NBC -- Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick, Cris Collinsworth and Bob Costas -- thought it was inconclusive. All of them.
    After the game, Coleman told a pool reporter that Holmes "had two feet down and completed the catch with control of the ball breaking the plane of the goal line ... When he gained control of the ball, the ball was breaking the plane, and then he fell into the field of play. But to have a touchdown, all you have to have is a catch, which is the two feet down, possession and control of the ball breaking the plane."
    I called NFL vice president of officiating Mike Pereira, who'd spoken with Coleman and the replay assistant following the game. Now, I have to tell you that in my jobs at NBC and Sports Illustrated I have occasion to speak with Pereira nearly every weekend about a play or two from the games, either to clarify something for the Football Night in America show or for my column. Pereira calls them the way he sees them. My experience is that Pereira does not whitewash a bad call. And last night, I asked him point blank if he thought there was indisputable visual evidence that the ball broke the plane of the goal line. "Yes, I do,'' he said.
    I watched some more. I saw Holmes catching the ball, and at the moment of the catch, the absolute moment, it appears the ball is piercing the plane by inches. But is it a lock that the ball crossed the line? No. I watched it a few more times. I don't see it. I see the likelihood of the ball breaking the plane. I do not see the certainty. The replay rule mandates indisputable visual evidence to change a call -- if 20 people are watching a play, they see the same thing. This was not one of those plays.
    This is the continuing problem with the replay system. I think officials need to realize what "indisputable'' means. It doesn't mean likely, or most likely. We still see calls like this, year after year. I'm sure we'll hear cries to abolish replay in the coming days, which is ridiculous. I just wish the rule would be applied exactly the way it was intended. As, I'm sure, do the fine people of Baltimore this morning.
  15. bbilly
    15. Posted by bbilly Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm EDT

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    if the ravens were not in the NFL they would be in jail or selling crack to 8 year olds
    low life scum is what thay are,i hope we play them in the playoffs and kick there ass 3 times in one year
    HOW SWEET IT IS!!!!!!
  16. david
    16. Posted by david Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:32 pm EDT

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    Actually ravens fans if you read the yahoo article regarding the touchdown the rule is if the player is not advancing towards the end zone and has both feet planted in the endzone while catching the ball it is a touch down regardless of where the ball is at the time. Read up on the rule book then make your comment. Tell Ray Ray to do the same with his comments after the game. So....Touchdown Steelers drive 92 yards on you and score.
    About the actual article now, I don't care what someone does to you it would be better for the ravens player to take a swing then to spit on someone. Classless, but hey isn't every raven player the same way. To put it out there I actually hold respect for someone like lewis cause he tells it like it is, plus hes a hell of a player still.
  17. Kyle
    17. Posted by Kyle Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:04 pm EDT

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    Seriously... The Raven can't even lose with class! Find the tape, fine the sucker, and move on...
  18. boomer3eb
    18. Posted by boomer3eb Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    I'm with Dave. It's shocking to me that A) the league hasn't gone head over heels in publicizing the rule that I posted above, and B) that so many so called journalists or bloggers have fueled the fire by not putting it out there either. All it takes is a miniscule amount of research.
    The problem here is that the refs didnt have all the rules clarified. Holems clearly has posession of the ball, with 2 feet across the goal line. By rule, that's all he needed. Granted, its a vague rule, but for the refs not to know it and explain it on the spot is bad enough...then you have people with national audiences like Peter King allowing more controversey to arise, when there really shouldnt have been any in the first place. I understand that the discussion of whether the ball broke the plain will still remain the hot topic, but in reviewing the ACTUAL rules, it's irrelevant.
  19. Mr. D
    19. Posted by Mr. D Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:23 pm EDT

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    It is a shame that most people will only look at that one play and take that to be the game. As a Steeler fan I am glad that they won and can very easily point out several bad calls that this team has been on the other side of. That one play will overshadow the fact that the GREAT Ravens D allowd the Steelers to move the ball down the field. The GREAT Ravens D that brags about playing smashmouth ball for 60 min fell a few min short. It should have never came to that play, it did, and the call went in the Steelers favor for a change.
  20. Linda W
    20. Posted by Linda W Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:23 pm EDT

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    I live in Baltimore but am a die hard steelers fan and the man had control of the ball and both feet touching in the end zone good enough for me.
  21. rob why?
    21. Posted by rob why? Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:47 pm EDT

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    to goravens1234, bad teams make excuses for losing! except the lose and move on! the ravens had great field position all game and could not do a damn thing against the best defense in football! be lucky they scored 9 points against the GREAT STEELERS!!!!! ravens suck!
  22. Ronald M
    22. Posted by Ronald M Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:49 pm EDT

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    The Steelers were destined to score and win that game on the final drive. If it goes to the three-inch line, Big Ben smashes it over and becomes even more of a legend by scoring the winning TD on 4th down. Don't whine Ravens, where was your offense all day?
  23. Buck Joose
    23. Posted by Buck Joose Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:47 pm EDT

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    Ugh!!! Now thats just Fukin' NASTY!!! I would've put my damn cleats all up Frank Walker's punkass posterior just for spitting on me period!! "LOSER" in the lowest sense! BytchAss Bytch!!
    Go Steelers Go!!!
  24. Terry Bradshaw
    24. Posted by Terry Bradshaw Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:31 pm EDT

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    Boy, Steelers fans can' spell very well...
  25. Kyle
    25. Posted by Kyle Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:55 pm EDT

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    Lets be clear, as stated above the rules are specific, but again as stated above, and by Harbough, and even by the Ravens beloved Lewis, "that play did not cost us the game." The Ravens allowed a heated rival to march from Pittsburgh's own 8, all the way to their 4. That is way the Ravens lost the game, not because of a questionable call, but because like so many teams who are on the brink, they have no ability to finish. They showed this same style earlier this year when they lost to Tennessee. Ravens are good, but the Steelers were better, it is clear as day, one call does not make up for the 88 yards prior to the touchdown.

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