From the Marbles - NASCAR

First off, we need a name for this Talladega business. I'm going with Talladega fence-slide till we can come up with something better. (And yes, I know we're running this into the ground -- or into the fence, as the case may be -- but there's a good reason for that, as you'll see in a moment.)

Well, so much for a quiet NASCAR season, huh? In a year dominated by -- yawn -- far too much talk of crew chiefs' job security, all of a sudden we've got ourselves a full-on debate surrounding Sunday's events at 'Dega. All of us looked forward to the Big Ones, we got the Big Ones, and then we got something more. So what does that say about 1. us, 2. the state of NASCAR, 3. the future of racing at Talladega?

Writers from across the land have weighed in on the issue, and fortunately, there is absolutely no consensus of opinion. Pick a side in this issue, and there's somebody out there vocally defending it. Right here, Jay Hart said that this race signals the necessity of immediate change at Talladega. Over at Life in the Turn Lane, David Poole echoes that sentiment:

The real problem is the same as it has been for the 40 years this track has existed. From the very first weekend of racing held here, when speeds were too fast for tires to withstand and anybody with any regard for what's really safe would have called off the race, the problem is and always has been this race track.

It was crazy -- and I mean that word literally -- to ever let things get to a point where Bill Elliott could run 215 mph here. It was crazy to react to Bobby Allison's wreck into the fence, one that looked entirely too much like the wreck Carl Edwards had here Sunday for the comfort of anybody with good sense, by trying to write rules and change the cars to make this place safe. It's crazy to ask drivers to participate in the kind of racing that goes on at Talladega today and it's crazy for them to willingly do so.

It's also sad that fans who profess to love this sport and the people who compete in it not only tolerate this madness, but embrace it and celebrate it.

Oh, but there's more.

The Orlando Sentinel's David Whitley goes a step further, advocating a new drivers' strike:

[Dale] Earnhardt [Jr.] said the media and NASCAR have a responsibility to "come to their senses." In doing so, he ignores the one group that could change things tomorrow.

Drivers.

They should stop talking and start walking.

That's what Richard Petty, David Pearson and other top drivers did when Talladega opened 40 years ago. They had the lug nuts to tell NASCAR founder Bill France the track wasn't safe.

Of course, they came crawling back after France booted them, but still -- it's an intriguing idea. But how about the fans? As ESPN's Ed Hinton notes, NASCAR can't count on them to scream for safety innovation:

They want to participate in the danger.

In '87, after Allison flew, I went down to talk to spectators during the hours-long red flag to repair the fence. Several people had already been sent off in ambulances, one woman with a serious eye injury. The front row was jammed with Dale Earnhardt fans in black T-shirts, their arms and faces still bleeding from the shrapnel from the Allison wreck.

"If our man Earnhardt can take risks for us," said one man, "then we'll take risks for him, by being as close as we can when he comes by."

But on the other hand, this was a pretty damn good race, as Scene Daily's Jeff Gluck contends. Moreover, he wants everyone to relax about all the sky-is-falling business:

I don't feel bad. I don't feel guilty.

That race yesterday at Talladega was one of the most exciting in years, with maybe the best ending of the decade.

And I'm supposed to feel sorry about that?

Spare me.

I'm not going to apologize for enjoying that race or that finish. It was awesome, spectacular, mind-blowing...whatever you want to call it.

But reading my peers' stories today makes you wonder what people really want: Is NASCAR a thrilling sport or a safe, boring game? Maybe we should all just go play Scrabble, where no one can get hurt.

Plenty of voices, plenty of opinions. Now it's your turn -- where do you stand? And if you've seen something written that you particularly agree (or disagree) with, feel free to add it here. The floor is yours, friends. Just don't get too close to the fence.

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  1. ROTTEN-ONE
    1. Posted by ROTTEN-ONE Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:43 am EDT

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    All of this could have been avoided by Carl's spotter tellin' him 09 car has a run inside ... I guess even if that was the case he may have still went down to block . This is racin' we should be used to this by now . Just be thankfull no one was killed . You take that chance when you sit that close to the fence . The solution I've scratched up is taking out the first 15-20 rows of seating . Those seats suck anyway . The problem with that is the track owners and NASCAR as a sanctioning body are more worried about money rather than taking out a few hundred seats ...
  2. Rudy88
    2. Posted by Rudy88 Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:51 am EDT

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    Some of the races are already boring! Take away the danger element and you might as well discontinue NASCAR, because no one would watch. Of course we don't want anyone hurt, but we DO WANT DANGER! We want that possibility to exist in every race, or we will look for another sport to watch. Safety has been a NASCAR priority, at least since DE lost his life in a race. The improvements they have made in the COT (which we all complain about) have saved several lives already. How much farther are they able to go before a bored public begins to ignore NASCAR and find another exciting sport to follow!
  3. Rudy88
    3. Posted by Rudy88 Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:54 am EDT

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    Good points ROTTEN!
  4. Kdiggity
    4. Posted by Kdiggity Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:58 am EDT

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    it was 21 years since the last car did that, i willing to gamble and take my chances with that and sit that close, even though from the video i saw from seats like that you can't see crap, but whatever this doesn't need to be taken so seriously, good for the highlight films.
  5. ROTTEN-ONE
    5. Posted by ROTTEN-ONE Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:01 am EDT

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    Thank you buddy , how's Rudy today in No. WI. ?
  6. FarmerJ
    6. Posted by FarmerJ Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:01 am EDT

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    That's racing boys, simple as that. S*** happens, we can't all live in rubber rooms like I do
  7. brinirmess
    7. Posted by brinirmess Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:01 am EDT

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    People could of been seriously injured. They were not. Everyone WALKED away. Nascar's safety features worked. You heard the same hoopla and dog and pony show, when Ken Griffey Jr.'s bat hit the little girl at the baseball game. No different than getting hit by a ball at the local little league game. Yeh, a car is bigger than a ball, deadly force just the same. The fence worked, it threw the car back onto the track. No serious injuries again from the crowd or the drivers. Is this going to stop some people from going to the races, yes, probally so. It should definetly make the track owners consider removing the bottom seats and put in a second fence to catch wayward debris. Should Talladega itself be changed..HELL NO. That's why Dega is packed every year. For the side-by -side racing. Fans and drivers have a choice. They don't have to be there. They Choose to be there. END OF STORY
  8. ROTTEN-ONE
    8. Posted by ROTTEN-ONE Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:11 am EDT

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    Sucks to be you Farmer ?LOL
  9. WTON_JOHN
    9. Posted by WTON_JOHN Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:12 am EDT

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    Want to know what the fans think? I'll bet even money that the prices for those seats go up because of the demand to sit in that section goes up by the next race....and all races at Dega after that one.
  10. brinirmess
    10. Posted by brinirmess Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:16 am EDT

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    #9. I don't see that happening
  11. ROTTEN-ONE
    11. Posted by ROTTEN-ONE Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:17 am EDT

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    I personally don't like to be by the fence at my local short track little alone by a fence that has cars doin' 200 MPH . The cars at the Rockford Speedway maybe do 100 tops ! That even seems dangerous to be by the fence . Ofcourse that joint is forever old and beat up , and has a step up from chicken wire for a fence . Like I said remove the first 15-20 rows of seats and let 'er rip !
  12. NostraChronus
    12. Posted by NostraChronus Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:18 am EDT

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    simple fact: if Nascar wants to lose fans, make changes at 'Dega. That race was as good as it gets, as brini points out, the safety features worked as planned, and with reinforcements in the catchfence, they should be racing the same exact way when they return Halloween weekend. Unfortunately, looks like smaller plates will be run next time around. And great point, Rotten One, where was Carl's spotter, and why didn't Carl stay outside and drag race, and why did he fall for Keselowski's juke in the first place. Basically, the only change that needs to be made is that Carl Edwards needs to learn how to drive on a restrictor plate track. This is what happens when you run in the back of the pack until 21 laps to go.
  13. ROTTEN-ONE
    13. Posted by ROTTEN-ONE Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:19 am EDT

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    #9 that is ludacris , you can't even be serious ? Yea , I'm sure people are just itchin' to have that happen to them ...come on get with the program...
  14. MarkN
    14. Posted by MarkN Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:23 am EDT

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    ROTTEN most of the bottom rows are for handicapped people not all but most.
  15. ROTTEN-ONE
    15. Posted by ROTTEN-ONE Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:26 am EDT

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    Nostra-- yea Carl should've just let the 09 go to the outside he would've never made the pass by the time they reached the checkers ! Even if he did get a good enough run on the outside force him to the wall like , who was it a couple years ago ? Ricky Craven and Kurt Busch at Darlington , that was a great finsh !!!!!
  16. cpmustangs13
    16. Posted by cpmustangs13 Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:31 am EDT

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    In response to Gluck's comments: Why can't a clean pass be exciting? Why is it that people think that NASCAR is only exciting when people crash and cars tumble end over end? Sometimes I feel like the only person who gets excited when a driver chases someone down and passes them without trading paint. That can be fun too, try it, I promise you won't be disappointed.
  17. Shannon P
    17. Posted by Shannon P Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:32 am EDT

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    Regardless of the climatic finish, the race itself was amazing. It is unfortunate that the results are being overshadowed by a rare incident. It is unfortunate as well that nascar fans are being deemed as hearltess morons for enjoying such a debacle when the truth is most of us enjoyed the nationwide just as much and it was void of the typical "big one". Just as brinirmess noted, fans have been injured at baseball games as well (and hockey games too), the fans are aware of the risk and NASCAR was proactive enough to have their injured fans airlifted.
  18. ROTTEN-ONE
    18. Posted by ROTTEN-ONE Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:33 am EDT

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    MarkN-- still they can figure something out with the seating . If I was handicapped I want to be up higher to see what the heck is goin' down, ya know ? You'd think think they'd have a platform for them in the middle somewhere ?I'm sure they can scratch up some funds for an elevator . Bottom line is they need to scoot the seats back . That's my take anyway . Not that it means anything to you or anyone else but there it is , take it for what it's worth ?
  19. MarkN
    19. Posted by MarkN Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:34 am EDT

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    Rotten that was a great finish I was so happy for Ricky that was one of my top 5 races that I remember
  20. ROTTEN-ONE
    20. Posted by ROTTEN-ONE Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:35 am EDT

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    hehehehehehehehe you said climatic finsh ! LMAO OMG LMAO hehehehe...
  21. NostraChronus
    21. Posted by NostraChronus Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:36 am EDT

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    The thing that really upsets me here is that driver error is to blame, and that all of Nascar's safety features worked as planned, there were no serious injuries, this hadn't happened in twenty years, and Nascar's getting about as much press as it could possibly ask for - why change? That was racing in its purest form, well, maybe not its purest form, but that was some serious white knuckles racing as they kids say, and I would love to see some more. Carl should not have tried to block in that situation, he was simply banking on the fact that Keselowski would dive below the yellow line, and when he didn't, Carl paid the price. Dude sits back for 450 miles, drives like he's chaffeuring Miss Daisy, then he expects to have the reaction time of the racers who've been in the hornest's nest all day? Nuh-uh, don't work that way, 'cuz, sorry. Carl Edwards needs to shut up and drive; I can understand how shaken up he must've been after that accident, but his comments are resonating beyond that spur-of-the-moment sound byte.
  22. ROTTEN-ONE
    22. Posted by ROTTEN-ONE Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:36 am EDT

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    mark-- yea that was a doozie !
  23. WTON_JOHN
    23. Posted by WTON_JOHN Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:37 am EDT

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    "the program" here is to state what I think, and I just so happen to think that there are people out there that are crazy and morbid enough to want to sit in those seats...and would probably pay top dollar to do so...
  24. Mike
    24. Posted by Mike Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:38 am EDT

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    One partial solution: solve the "yellow line issue." Keep one yellow line where it is at and the scond line one-car width inside (along the grass). Cars blocking can't go below the first line, but a car escaping a block can go as low as the second (where they will barely fit and maybe lose some momentum on the apron).
    One better solution: have them run the race in real "stock" cars - fresh off the dealers lot. Much less horsepower and speed. Maybe make them compete with 1.5L engines.
  25. packerd_00
    25. Posted by packerd_00 Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:39 am EDT

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    Rotten One-You ever go to the (Motorcycle) Dirt Track racing and stand on the fence, the stones really do start flying you can hear all the cars and bikes beign pelted.

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