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Bob Young, Arizona Republic: "We suspect that Suns General Manager Steve Kerr was double-crossed by Golden State's Don Nelson on draft day. As you know by now, the Suns evidently believed they had an arrangement with the Warriors that would have sent Amaré Stoudemire to Golden State for a package of players and Stephen Curry(notes), whom the Warriors selected with the seventh pick in the draft. Only the Warriors hadn't anticipated Curry falling into their laps. When he did, the deal went Kerr-boom. We aren't alone in this thinking, either. Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News, a dependable long-time NBA and Warriors observer, wrote in his blog: 'Nelson's reputation on these matters precedes him, and this perceived 11th-hour pullout only adds to the sense that the Warriors with Nelson are extremely difficult trade partners, and possibly borderline untrustworthy in these matters.' It's clear, though, that the Suns are willing to part with Stoudemire — maybe even to the Warriors."

Josh Robbins, Orlando Sentinel: "What happens when you add a star to a group of supremely talented, accomplished people who already are stars in their own right? That's the question that the Orlando Magic will face head-on in the season ahead. On paper, the acquisition of eight-time NBA all-star Vince Carter(notes) gives the Magic a proven scorer who can complement Dwight Howard(notes), Rashard Lewis(notes) and Jameer Nelson(notes) — and Hedo Turkoglu(notes) in the unlikely event that he re-signs with the team. 'I just want to fit in and get to work,' Carter told reporters at RDV Sportsplex just hours after the trade went through Thursday. 'They have already accomplished so much. I just want to take the team one step further.' But in team sports or in any group endeavor — anytime egos are involved, really — reality sometimes is far messier than theory when strong personalities are added to the mix."

Don Seeholzer, Pioneer Press: "Quoting Tim Shea, a former Knicks scout who is a consultant for (Ricky) Rubio's agency in Spain, the offer would be for about $1 million, with another $2 million going toward Rubio's $6.6 million contract buyout with his Spanish team. Shea said the team also is in talks with Real Madrid about Rubio and he doesn't expect Kahn to trade him to the Knicks, even though that is the preference of Rubio's parents. 'I think (David Kahn) understands he has a gold nugget,' Shea said. 'The price of gold is always going up. He's only 18, so Rubio's stock will go up next year. He drafted so many point guards because of this. He's in the driver's seat. He doesn't have to trade him to the first suitors.'"

Jerry Zgoda, Minneapolis Star Tribune: "To address the little birdie and Charley Walters’ 'report' that Ricky Rubio(notes) was in town — or due in town — yesterday to meet with David Kahn … Honestly, I don’t know. I’ve worked to confirm it, which unfortunately as a beat writer is a necessity, but haven’t been able to. David Kahn promised 'transparency' when he took the job but eventually said 'Sorry, we have no comment' when I texted him numerous times to ask if has, or will soon meet, with Rubio and his father. That he says no comment rather than deny it leads me to believe there’s something there, which isn’t surprising that the two sides would begin some kind of conversation face to face soon."

Joel Brigham, HOOPSWORLD: "It's starting to become relatively clear that there never was much credibility to the rumors of Ricky Rubio potentially heading to the New York Knicks via trade, so at this point it seems healthiest for Knicks fans to just let go of that idea. Sources close to the situation have told HOOPSWORLD that nothing substantial was ever discussed between Minnesota and New York, so Rubio is, for the time being, a member of the Timberwolves. The most pressing question right now is whether or not Rubio will actually play in the NBA next season. According to Peter Vescey of the New York Post, Rubio has been receiving serious offers from teams in Turkey and Real Madrid. The reason these contract offers might be more desirable than a stint in the NBA is that these other clubs can offer more significant amounts of cash for Rubio's massive buyout with Joventut. But let's be honest — Minnesota was extremely lucky to have arguably the draft's second most exciting player drop to them at No. 5, and Wolves GM David Kahn really wants to keep him. Kevin Love(notes) is even twittering his "pretty please!" shtick in hopes of reigning him in. It appears that, for right now, Rubio is just trying to make the smartest financial decision for himself. Remember, it's not always about a love for the game of basketball. Sure, that plays a huge part in doing this for a living, but it's a living." 

Marc Berman, New York Post: "The Knicks dispatched declining Quentin Richardson(notes), who has been wretched the past two seasons, to Memphis for Milicic, whose arrival gives the Knicks more flexibility in the David Lee(notes) sweepstakes, which begins Wednesday. 'It's low risk, high reward,' his New York-based agent, Marc Cornstein, told The Post yesterday. 'There is a reason he was drafted where he was drafted. Now it's a matter of will we see it? It remains to be seen, but I'm optimistic off this situation.' Milicic, who hasn't adapted well to U.S. living, now is surrounded by a larger support system, featuring Cornstein and a European-style head coach. But one NBA executive whose franchise had Milicic said: 'He's been in the league six seasons. He is what he is.' Cornstein disagrees. 'We're thrilled on so many levels,' he said. 'I'm excited to have him in my hometown, personally and selfishly. We've known him for a long time and are very close to him. On a basketball level, we're more thrilled. Coach D'Antoni is the ideal coach for him. He has a great understanding of European players and how to utilize his skill sets and talents.'"

Mike Wells, The Indianapolis Star: "The decision not to pick up Marquis Daniels'(notes) $7.5 million team option was not an easy one for the Pacers. The Pacers would have been right up against the luxury tax if they picked up Daniels' option and if Jarrett Jacks ends up accepting the $2.9 million qualify offer the Pacers plan to make to him any day now later in the summer. President Larry Bird and general manager David Morway would have little wiggle room to make any kind of offseason moves. They've now got about $9 million to work with this summer. ... Counting Tyler Hansbrough(notes), who will eventually sign his contract, the Pacers currently have 10 players under contract. They only have eight players that will be able to help them at the start of the season because Mike Dunleavy is out indefinitely and Jamaal Tinsley's(notes) time as a Pacer is over. Expect the Pacers to be cautious in their offseason moves because they have no intention of going over the luxury tax and they don't want to take on lengthy contracts in any trade they make."

Monte Poole, Contra Costa Times: "The (Amare) Stoudemire who would join the Warriors is not the four-time NBA All-Star who has spent years tormenting them. Stoudemire's prime is behind him. Not because he's old; he's only 26. Nor is it the mileage. It's the troubling medical history. Stoudemire is four months removed from surgery to repair a detached retina in his right eye. He is eight months removed from a partially torn right iris. He is 20 months removed from having arthroscopic surgery on his right knee. He is 44 months removed from having the dreaded microfracture surgery on his left knee. The knees, however, represent the biggest, brightest red flags. Common sense would accept that the left knee, in particular, would inhibit any chance of Stoudemire being the explosive, dynamic athlete he was pre-surgery and over the long term. That's important insofar as the Warriors likely won't make any megadeal unless they have assurances of signing a five-year extension that would make Stoudemire their highest-paid player. Microfracture surgery diminishes everyone who has it."

Tim Buckley, Deseret News: "According to a weekend report from The (N.J.) Record, New Jersey basketball boss Rod Thorn said, 'Obviously we're not going to be signing a guy (at) 10, 12 million dollars a year.' 'That,' the newspaper reported, 'makes it doubtful the Nets will get in the mix for (Jazz forward) Carlos Boozer(notes), if he opts out of his contract.' The New York Post has floated Jersey as a potential sign-and-trade destination for Boozer, whose primary suitor could be Detroit."

Alan Hahn, Newsday: "(Nate) Robinson won’t command nearly as much in salary, but his popularity as an electrifying 5-9 guard and two-time Slam Dunk champion could be valuable as an attraction in some small markets. According to one league source, the Lakers inquired about Robinson’s availability after his 33-point performance at the Staples Center on Dec. 16. Kobe Bryant(notes) has expressed adoration for Robinson and owner Jerry Buss was said to be smitten after that game. The Sacramento Kings also were close to a deal for Robinson and Jeffries before the trade deadline and there are indications that the deal could still take place this summer. Robinson had a breakthrough season statistically — career-high 17.2 points per game — but his ball-dominating, one-on-one mentality does not fit well in Mike D’Antoni’s system. The Knicks drafted a rugged point guard, Toney Douglas(notes), the 29th overall pick on Thursday and are also in the market for a starting point guard with the plan to move Chris Duhon(notes) to a backup role this season."

Marcos Breton, The Sacramento Bee: "Sacramento needs a game changer. The region is mired in a slump, but all slumps eventually end. The Kings are trying to end theirs with a 19-year-old named Tyreke Evans(notes), who is sweet natured in person and a 6-foot-5 bull on the basketball court. This lad is highly touted, but he inherits the heavy expectation of playing a key role in restoring an essential regional franchise. 'We're going to put him front and center,' said Kings co-owner Gavin Maloof. 'When he gets the ball in his hands, no one is going to stop him.' Evans joins a team of fresh faces with something to prove. New Kings coach Paul Westphal is trying to revive a dormant career. Team president Geoff Petrie is searching for his Teflon suit after some flawed decisions stuck to him. The Maloofs are being more positive than they have in years. 'I'm tired of all the negativity about this franchise,' Gavin Maloof said. A lot of people are tired of local negativity — of 11 percent unemployment and the baggage that goes with it."

Drew Sharp, Detroit Free Press: "The Pistons' biggest problem isn't a dearth of talent. It's that their head coach and best player barely speak to each other. Both Michael Curry and Rip Hamilton are to blame, prone to varying degrees of ego and stubbornness. But Curry must understand that it's incumbent upon the coach to fall on the sword, admitting his mistakes for the sake of pacifying the star's delicate disposition. That's lesson one on the first day at Chuck Daly Coaching School. Curry must make amends with Hamilton, regardless of the amount of crow swallowed, or he risks compromising his future as Pistons' coach."

Jeff McDonald, SA Express-News: "NBA free agency officially opens at midnight Wednesday. The Spurs' first big decision of free agency will come no later than 24 hours before that. And it won't even be their decision to make. Will Michael Finley(notes) opt out of the final year of his contract? That is the $2.5 million question. Finley, who started all but one game for the Spurs last season, is on the books for that amount next season. He could choose to opt out and become a free agent — or retire — in which case the Spurs owe him nothing. In April, a day after the Spurs' were eliminated from the playoffs by Dallas, Finley indicated that his future was up in the air. Two months later, it apparently still is. Spurs general manager R.C. Buford said late last week that Finley had given him no indication as to his plans. Finley's agent, Henry Thomas, confirmed as much, saying his client had yet to reach a decision."

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  1. Jeo C
    1. Posted by Jeo C Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:39 am EDT

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    First !!!
  2. Anton
    2. Posted by Anton Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:03 am EDT

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    I am so tired of Ricky. I hope he either signs with Turkey or whoever or get traded to an even worser team than Minn. What a spoiled brat. And nobody is talking about how good he would make New York. They only are talking about the marketing opportunities for him. And who would want to play for New York anyway? When Lebron or Kobe comes to play, the entire crowd ROOTS for the opponent. What a crock!
  3. Margin
    3. Posted by Margin Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:53 am EDT

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    Let's face it, the Warriors whether they opted out of the trade or not, made the right decision. Monte Poole is spot on with his assessment of Stoudamire. I tend to think there were probably lots of parameters set up in a possible trade for Stoudamire that those in Arizona don't want to think about. Who was available at #7 being one. Stoudamire's health being two. And the ability to sign Stoudamire past next season being the third. Anyway, I think any of the 3 could have been the deal breaker (possibly all 3). I'm just thrilled with Curry and whether the Warriors backed out or not, I could care less. The Suns are division rivals and I wouldn't want to give then the better end of the deal.
  4. Danny
    4. Posted by Danny Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:11 am EDT

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    The problem with drafting foreign players is that they have an easy fall back plan, home. This should go with any player drafted, if you enter the draft and drafted you remain the property of that team for as long as they want. If you decide that after you are drafted by a team such as Minn that you don't want to play there, so be it, you don't play in the NBA unless Minn decides to trade you, not on your demand.
    This is gonna be a major problem, just like in baseball with agents telling teams that they wont sign with you so don't draft my player. I hope Rubio ends up with the Clippers, this is what he deserves, big market [profane]ty team.
  5. Danny
    5. Posted by Danny Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:12 am EDT

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    The problem with drafting foreign players is that they have an easy fall back plan, home. This should go with any player drafted, if you enter the draft and drafted you remain the property of that team for as long as they want. If you decide that after you are drafted by a team such as Minn that you don't want to play there, so be it, you don't play in the NBA unless Minn decides to trade you, not on your demand.
    This is gonna be a major problem, just like in baseball with agents telling teams that they wont sign with you so don't draft my player. I hope Rubio ends up with the Clippers, this is what he deserves, big market [profane]ty team.
  6. Danny
    6. Posted by Danny Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:17 am EDT

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    The problem with drafting foreign players is that they have an easy fall back plan, home. This should go with any player drafted, if you enter the draft and drafted you remain the property of that team for as long as they want. If you decide that after you are drafted by a team such as Minn that you don't want to play there, so be it, you don't play in the NBA unless Minn decides to trade you, not on your demand.
    This is gonna be a major problem, just like in baseball with agents telling teams that they wont sign with you so don't draft my player. I hope Rubio ends up with the Clippers, this is what he deserves, big market [profane]ty team.
  7. Hambone
    7. Posted by Hambone Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:23 am EDT

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    I wonder if the real reason that foreign players want "big market teams" is that they hold a bias against the "Middle America" small markets (honestly in a similar way to how many Americans living in big cities do). Maybe he should talk to Tony Parker about it. That's worked out alright.
  8. haon68
    8. Posted by haon68 Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:28 am EDT

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    Kerr claiming the Warriors are dishonest? Sounds like the boy genius is a bit of a whiner.
    It's not as though the Suns drafted someone for the Warriors and then the Warriors backed out. The Warriors did what any competent front office would do: go with the rookie salary scaled sure thing (Curry) and build around their young talent. Stoudamire is still a question mark with an enormous contract with the ego size to boot; why would you trade your good news for bad news?
  9. Hazen
    9. Posted by Hazen Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:38 am EDT

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    hedo to detroit and rip and tay to toronto for bosh ...and we bring back memo....turk squared..
  10. Anton
    10. Posted by Anton Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:02 pm EDT

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    Hambone does have a point. Many foreigners do tend to criticize the midwest and the South and be biased against them without even having been to either places.
  11. bball4ever43
    11. Posted by bball4ever43 Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:15 pm EDT

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    anyone who knows anything about the warriors knows that tim kawakami is not and should not be a credible source.
  12. jazzbooksfood
    12. Posted by jazzbooksfood Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:32 pm EDT

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    As a long-time Warriors fan, I'm very, very glad that Nellie "scammed" Phoenix. If we were talking about Amare Stoudemire four years ago, then that's a done deal, but we're talking about Stoudemire NOW, & frankly, I'd rather have Stephen Curry. Stoudemire doesn't play defense, so he wouldn't help the Warriors where a big man should help them; Curry won't help their low post defense either, but at least he's got his head on straight. Besides, let's not forget that the reported deal called for the Warriors to give up not just Curry, not just Andris Biedrins, but also Kelenna Azubuike ... for Stoudemire??? No freekin' way.
  13. Phil M
    13. Posted by Phil M Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:40 pm EDT

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    Umm, the reason they whine about small-market teams here is becasue there are less likely to be people from their own culture there...
    Its a big enough change to moving to another country and adjusting to the NBA
  14. Phil M
    14. Posted by Phil M Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:40 pm EDT

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    Umm, the reason they whine about small-market teams here is becasue there are less likely to be people from their own culture there...
    Its a big enough change to moving to another country and adjusting to the NBA
  15. jeezee10
    15. Posted by jeezee10 Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:46 pm EDT

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    I was really pissed off when Rubio and his padre said that he might decide to remain in Europe. Why did he enter the draft in the first place.?
    But then, I realize that the kid is just trying to provide for his own future. He will be playing for nothing in the NBA because he must shoulder the remainder of the buyout of $6 million.
    This was the problem with drafting foreign players under contract with their current teams. They have a fall-back position by not going to the NBA. It happened to the Spurs when they drafted Luis Scola and Tiago Splitter. They gave up on Scola because of the stiff price of the buyout. Tiago Splitter opted to remain in Europe when the dollar value fell. He realized he has enough dough to live well without the grind of the NBA.
    But Kahn holds the cards on this Rubio thing. He drafted three guards with the thought that Rubio might not be available. If the other two guards didn't blossom out, Rubio will be waiting in Spain. If Rubio turns out to be expendable later, he can trade him for more value assuming his stocks continue to rise in the Euro League.
  16. jeezee10
    16. Posted by jeezee10 Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:50 pm EDT

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    I was really pissed off when Rubio and his padre said that he might decide to remain in Europe. Why did he enter the draft in the first place.?
    But then, I realize that the kid is just trying to provide for his own future. He will be playing for nothing in the NBA because he must shoulder the remainder of the buyout of $6 million.
    This was the problem with drafting foreign players under contract with their current teams. They have a fall-back position by not going to the NBA. It happened to the Spurs when they drafted Luis Scola and Tiago Splitter. They gave up on Scola because of the stiff price of the buyout. Tiago Splitter opted to remain in Europe when the dollar value fell. He realized he has enough dough to live well without the grind of the NBA.
    But Kahn holds the cards on this Rubio thing. He drafted three guards with the thought that Rubio might not be available. If the other two guards didn't blossom out, Rubio will be waiting in Spain. If Rubio turns out to be expendable later, he can trade him for more value assuming his stocks continue to rise in the Euro League.
  17. Anton
    17. Posted by Anton Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:58 pm EDT

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    Phil M -um, Pau Gasol played for Memphis and Memphis is not a big, big market. Now he is a NBA champion. Ricky is just griping without putting in the hard work.
  18. Hambone
    18. Posted by Hambone Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:00 pm EDT

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    The culture issue is a fairly valid point, also take into account the fact that NBA players, and pro athletes in general, don't even have to live, or spend most of their time, in the city their team plays in. Plenty of players keep their primary residence in another state. During the (long) season, you're on the road half the time, and playing games on most nights you're in town. Kevin Garnett has been living in Malibu for years. Bill Cowher, a coach who probably spends more time at the team complex than most of players, raised his family in North Carolina. Don't want to live in Minnesota, Rubio? Just don't.
  19. Hambone
    19. Posted by Hambone Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:01 pm EDT

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    *Cowher spent time, not spends.
  20. gestrada33
    20. Posted by gestrada33 Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:10 pm EDT

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    it really doesn't matter who goes where and what team gets certain stars, bottom line for next year. LAKERS REPEAT AS WORLD CHAMPIONS! LETS GO LAKERS!
  21. Lajames W
    21. Posted by Lajames W Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:38 pm EDT

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    If a player wants to be surrounded by his fellow countrymen, stay in your country. I am tired of guys from around the world trying to dictate where they play. Look at the last couple of years we have chinese dudes saying that they aren't going to play in the midwest and europeans pulling the same stuff. I hate it when college players do it, I hate it when it hapeens in the NFL, and I hate it from foreigners too. Just take the blessing that 99.9% of human beings would kill for and go play a game for money. Shut up and accept your immense bountiful blessings. Apparently spoiled ass athletes transcend nationality.
  22. Superbad
    22. Posted by Superbad Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:54 pm EDT

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    Can't believe people are so surprised about the Warriors' reported change of heart on draft day. In basketball and football drafts half the fun is seeing the gamesmanship amongst teams...it is not new or limited to Nellie or the Warriors. At the end of the day, I hated the deal for the Warriors when they didn't have Curry and now it is a no brainer. Too much risk taking Stoudemire. I agree that he was a terrific player in his prime with tremendous upside potential. Unfortunately that is why they call it potential. Major injuries later and an obvious lack of enthusiasm for that thing called 'defense' and I am pretty strongly in the camp that says 'he won't make you a contender without alot of help so why mortgage half the team for him'. I think Biedrins has alot of value and certainly Curry is garnering alot of attention for his upside. Azabuike isn't exactly a slouch either and Bellineli was coming on with some playing time (okay, not defensively but he controlled the ball offensively).
    You can do better W's...good business decision!
  23. Skippy
    23. Posted by Skippy Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:55 pm EDT

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    Agree: Lakers repeat.
  24. Skippy
    24. Posted by Skippy Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:57 pm EDT

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    Nelson provides great entertainment for the Bay area, though........

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