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Jonathan Papelbon(notes) sat silently in front of his locker after Sunday's season-ending blown save to the Angels, but the usually chatty closer was causing a lot of discussion around the baseball world.

And not just talk of the "can you believe he finally gave a run in the postseason?" variety, either. 

In the wake of Boston's 7-6 loss to Los Angeles in the ALDS, message boards and Twitter feeds everywhere wondered if Papelbon had thrown his last pitch in a Red Sox uniform. Over on Fox Sports, Ken Rosenthal suggested that Papelbon would be the one to take the fall for his team's quick playoff exit.

Trading an elite relief pitcher who just saved 38 games with a 1.85 ERA during the regular season would seem to be the type of reaction easily dismissed as a knee-jerk notion made in the heat of of a disappointing loss.

But the truth is that the idea has been quietly discussed by the members of Red Sox Nation for some time now. Papelbon still has two years of arbitration remaining before free agency and he was just awarded $6.25 million in 2009, a record for a pitcher. The thinking in New England circles is that GM Theo Epstein could command a decent trade package for Papelbon in the offseason and Billy Wagner(notes) could fill the 2010 closer's job at a cheaper rate.

Daniel Bard(notes), meanwhile, will get more experience to be Boston's future fireman.

It's not an outlandish suggestion, especially for a Red Sox franchise that values maximizing its resources. Before his great performance over the final season's two months, Papelbon's strikeout ratio was decreasing while his walk rate was increasing. Automatic saves are now, at best, an occasional adventure and with Bard waiting in the wings, it makes sense that Epstein might want to listen what closer-starved clubs might be offering this offseason.

So will it happen? From this viewpoint, the most intriguing and logical landing spot would be Brad Lidge(notes)-stricken Philadelphia, which will again be looking to bolster its bullpen while their core remains in championship form. Not only would Papelbon fit perfectly into the Philly sports landscape, the organization has both the prospects and cash to afford him.

But if the Phillies aren't interested, I'd be surprised if Epstein finds a deal worth trading away a sure ninth-inning option for 2010. Even if potential trade partners are willing and able to part with the right combo of major- and minor-league talent, I don't believe they'll want to assume taking on Papelbon's salary and reputation as an outspoken clubhouse presence.

Should the Red Sox entertain the idea of trading Papelbon this offseason? To which team?

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  1. Pluschy
    1. Posted by Pluschy Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:01 pm EDT

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    hahahahahahahaha Jonathan Papelblown. Boy was he right when he said he was better than Mo?
    Yankees takin it all this year. LETS GO
  2. Edgar Kaycee
    2. Posted by Edgar Kaycee Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:16 pm EDT

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    Trade him to the Mets.
  3. mike.g.
    3. Posted by mike.g. Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:30 pm EDT

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    Pap is a goner... After the season he had the result today was the perfect ending see ya later pap. Take your show on the road.... Torre going to stick it to the skanks this year. so exciting watching a team spend so much and hear their fans trash talking. Cant wait for the mlb salary cap... way overdue..
  4. mike.g.
    4. Posted by mike.g. Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:31 pm EDT

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    Pap is a goner... After the season he had the result today was the perfect ending see ya later pap. Take your show on the road.... Torre going to stick it to the skanks this year. so exciting watching a team spend so much and hear their fans trash talking. Cant wait for the mlb salary cap... way overdue..
  5. Ken P
    5. Posted by Ken P Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:32 pm EDT

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    we need a bat, a big bat, a prince fielder bat, goodbye papi, paps, tek, and wake
  6. RaymondGuy
    6. Posted by RaymondGuy Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:41 pm EDT

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    Maybe the RoidSox can get Mariano ... in another 5 years,
  7. Ken K
    7. Posted by Ken K Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:43 pm EDT

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    Hey Papelblown, any questions on how to save a game see Rivera!
  8. Ken K
    8. Posted by Ken K Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:43 pm EDT

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    Hey Papelblown, any questions on how to save a game see Rivera!
  9. thompr33
    9. Posted by thompr33 Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:51 pm EDT

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    You know what? Blog writers suck 90 percent of the time, the hope for their rumors to become fact is just so played out. I guess Papelbon is now as bad as Bobby Jenks, whom the White Sox apparently want to trade/not re-sign when his contract is up. Where is the well that has all the great up and coming closers at and do either the Red Sox or White Sox have this address, are they going there to get the next World Series winner's closer? Blogs are ruining sports and I'm so glad I am validating their existence by writing about them.
  10. Seraph
    10. Posted by Seraph Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:59 pm EDT

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    Papelbon is the worst closer in the history of the game. Boston should trade him to the Angels for the princely price of Robb Quinlan and Reggie Willits. His stinking 1.85 ERA and 38 saves are completely unacceptable.
  11. Icarus
    11. Posted by Icarus Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:11 pm EDT

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    When Papelbon comes out to save a game, every inning is a adventure, a walk here and a hit there. I can't remember the last time Papelbon had a 1-2-3 inning.
  12. richard b
    12. Posted by richard b Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:20 pm EDT

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    Bring on the salary cap.......yanks will still be frequent visitors to the post season, they'll still get their share of big gamers, everybody wants to be a Yankee, always have always will. The yanks are no bandwagon team, they find a way no matter what. I think all you whiners won't be happy until there is a salary cap put on the yankees and only the yankees.
    how many times have teams spent tons of money, been the top spenders and had sub .500 seasons? Teams find ways to win, just aske Billy Beane, if you can't buy more expensive buy smarter. I love all these fans of other teams that spend there share of money and when they don't win they say stinkin yankees, they buy the championships! after their team tries and fails to do the same thing. Maybe if some of these other teams that benefit from the revenue sharing BS spent their money on something other than stadium fountains and other nonsense instead of players they'd see the post season more often.
  13. crash
    13. Posted by crash Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:22 pm EDT

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    philly is already on the hook for 4 years/40 million for lidge. they have the $$ and prospects but they arent the yankees or red sox! theyre gonna live or die by lidge looks like.
  14. Joe
    14. Posted by Joe Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:26 pm EDT

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    Papelbon has kind of already hinted ...actually he wasn't even that subtle that he'll only sign with Boston if they offer him a crazy good contract, the best offer. Dan Bard seems like Papelbon version 5.0 to be honest , better stuff, much harder fast ball, better two seamer and off speed stuff to boot. I'd say based on the uninspiring performance Pap gave today ... he's gone. And to be honest, I think the AL has kind of figured him out anyways ... good riddance if that's the case. And YES Yankee fans .. he's no Rivera .. he never claimed to be , nor did true Sox fans. Mo is the best closer of all time. Congrats. Congrats on your ALDS win too.
  15. Tster
    15. Posted by Tster Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:34 pm EDT

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    I think he should take up Riverdancing. He's such a bloated buffoon anyway, and totally classless! He's suggested that he may not be with the sox anyway so just trade his overrated a**!!
    GO YANKEES!
  16. Joe
    16. Posted by Joe Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:39 pm EDT

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    P.S Yanks fans ... how many saves did Mariano Rivera blow in the 2004 ALCS? Oh yeah . that's what I thought. 21st Century World Series Titles Red Sox 2 - Yankees 1 Enjoy your win over the Twins ... but don't get too cocky ... The Angels could knock u off easily.
  17. Bosoxinny
    17. Posted by Bosoxinny Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:47 pm EDT

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    I'm seeing an LA - WS on the horizon.......
  18. Christian M
    18. Posted by Christian M Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:50 pm EDT

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    @16
    it was thanks to *cough Ortiz on roids cough*
  19. C C S
    19. Posted by C C S Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:01 am EDT

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    OH YEA!!!!! I hope that all you Yankees haters take heed...We are sitting really good now and just waiting for the Angels....Yes,,the Angels are a damn good team(i'm from Cali by the way)and i like them as well. I have been a Yankees fan just about all my life and i just turned 70yrs. The way that my Yankees are playing now,i really don't think that no team can beat them at this point....UHM!!!!!! hopefully i'm right about this..LOL!!!!!!! """GO YANKEES,ALL THE WAY NOW"""
  20. Chris
    20. Posted by Chris Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:02 am EDT

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    I love how the Sux fans always twist the numbers to suit their arguments. A decade is simply 10 years. To say the Sux have been the best team in baseball this decade is highly misleading to say the least. Oh, well. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
  21. ByteMe
    21. Posted by ByteMe Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:06 am EDT

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    The Angels are the only team in baseball that is not afraid of the Yanks - in fact, they will knock out the Yanks in the playoffs like they have every other time the two teams have squared off. And Papelbon - well, this was the revenge for Dave Henderson - Boston 1 strike away (3 times) and the Angels "never say die" make him pay...Light up the halo, just another Angels victory.
  22. Bravo
    22. Posted by Bravo Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:23 am EDT

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    Awwwwwwww poor Sux fans. They actually had the balls to think the Red Sux were talented enough to beat the Angels. Sorry Ladies, only team who will be able to beat them are the Yanks. Pitching is solid, hitting is on point, they get better as the game reaches the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th innings. Some advice to Epstein, get rid of Papelbum, Varitek, Lowell...all a huge disappointment to your club. Make sure you sign Victor Martinez and Cliff Lee before the Yankees get their hands on them. Because without them, there is no way you will every reach the Yankees the next 5 years. This is the start of a new dynasty.
  23. RichardE
    23. Posted by RichardE Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:27 am EDT

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    You can't blame Pap for the fall.....the team has been playing for second place since the middle of August......If you play for second place, that is what you get ...or worse!
  24. hop
    24. Posted by hop Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:30 am EDT

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    Bye Bye baston fools!! paplebafoon is a joke and will always be 2nd rate just like the city of baston. And remember big sloppy roids is on the payroll next year for 13MIL and will only be worse next season! Die baston fans! hahahahhahahahahaha

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