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    Should Zac Rinaldo earn suspension for Jonathan Ericsson hit? (Video)

    For this hit in the first period of the Philadelphia Flyers' loss to the Detroit Red Wings on Sunday, Zac Rinaldo has a hearing with the NHL this afternoon:

    Rinaldo was given a minor penalty for the hit on Jonathan Ericsson; hey, remember those halcyon days of Colin Campbell's "Hitting Zone"? How times have changed …

    So should this result in any action from the League?

    Via Frequent Flyers, Frank Seravalli writes:

    The hit itself is relatively clean. Rinaldo does not use his elbows and the primary point of contact appears to be Ericsson's chest.

    As NBC Sports Network's Brian Engblom says in the broadcast, Ericsson put himself in a vulnerable position for looking back to making his pass. But where Rinaldo may be in trouble is that he takes a good 4 or 5 strides, lining him up, before delivering the blow.

    Two things that aren't working in Rinaldo's favor: That he "launches" into the hit (remember Ovie?) and that he fined twice by the NHL last week for hits against the New Jersey Devils.

    One thing that is working in his favor: That outside of the charging call, it appeared to be a solid hockey check that didn't involve the head, which was the primary point of contact for Ovechkin in his "launch."

    But Brendan Shanahan no doubt has better video footage than this; hence, the phone hearing. Unless they have something on tape that's dramatically different than this … it's not a suspension, is it?

    Seravalli brings up another interesting point: Is Zac Rinaldo the new Dan Carcillo?

    He's second in the League in penalty minutes (156), but his penalties taken per 60 minutes (3.7) isn't much higher than the penalties he draws (3.5); Carcillo had much the same type of ratio in taking 1.6 penalties per 60 minutes and drawing 1.5 last year for the Flyers. Rinaldo has seven points in 43 games; Carcillo is more offensively skilled, and can be a 30 point guy in this League if he can stay in the lineup.

    But both guys, as this phone hearing reminds us, carry the load of their established reputations into every hit.

     

    52 comments

    • cc  •  New York, New York  •  3 months ago
      In a way, it's kind of irrelevant. If Rinaldo doesn't get suspended today, he likely does something stupid in his next game and gets suspended then. That said, the way Philly was giving up power-play goals this weekend, the NHL would probably be doing the Flyers a favor to suspend the guy for a few.
      • Kyle K 3 months ago
        Amen said this Flyer fan...I heard a rumor that there is thing in the NHL called a "penalty kill", what can you tell about it-would it help a team win?
    • D  •  3 months ago
      word to Flyers : keep playing Rinaldo and Sestito, lots and lots of shifts. ; )
      • John 3 months ago
        They are and that's why they are losers.
      • IBG 3 months ago
        Flyers have the injury bug this year. Sestito is proving to be less a liability than Shelley, and Zac the human red bull has great energy. Not too mention, rags fans are vagin@s.
      • D 3 months ago
        um, it's to, not too.
    • hockey101  •  Toledo, Ohio  •  3 months ago
      Being a Wings fan I really wanted to find a reason for this to be a suspension but it looks like a good hit to me. You don't skate behind the net while looking in the opposite direction.
    • Jeanshorts  •  Vancouver, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Really? A guy who has literally just passed the puck AND is skating behind the net AND has his head turned completely the other direction than the direction that he's skating gets nailed, and we're still putting all the onus on the hitter? Really?
    • MTL_WINGS  •  Montreal, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Both guys were lucky here. If Ericsson doesn't turn around at the last second Rinaldo runs him from behind and one is looking at a multi game suspension and the other is potentially hurt. Judging on the speed he was coming in with, there was little chance he was going to be able to let up I think. Other than that and the slight "jump" if you will it was fine to me. Don't think it's worth a suspension.
    • Cornholio  •  3 months ago
      Keep your head up!

      I am a Wings fan, and I say no. Was he lining him up all the way from the blue line? Absolutely. I think this hit is not much different than a lot of the hits that Kronwall dishes out and we Detroit fans celebrate.

      Hockey play, no suspension. Given his priors, not sure Shannahammer will agree with me.
      • Stick Boy 3 months ago
        What??? You don't have to keep your 'head up' after you've made the play. And they 1 to 2 seconds that elapsed are a lifetime in hockey. Rino had to leap to hit the head, which he did hit as other video during the game showed. Suspend him for sure.
        Comparing this to the clean checks that Kronwall makes is retarded.
      • J-Star 3 months ago
        At most 1 second elapsed, which is an incredibly short amount of time to stop a check. Secondly, thanks to Cornholio for his opinion! I think this kind of hit is what keeps hockey exciting honestly. Sure, if the sides were switched, I'd be a little peeved about the hit, but that's hockey! What's the fun if everyone is best buddies?
      • Christopher 3 months ago
        Really it's a matter of the speed he was coming at. To sprint from the blue line to iniate contact is dangerous. If the Red Wings player had turned as he passed to go back you may be looking at a hit from behind and a serious injury. You don't need to be flying at full speed to lay a solid hit. Those two guys on the flyers are hitting late and trying to put people through the wall with every hit. It's only a matter of time before they seriously hurt someone. That's where the lack of respect comes in. Other guys in the league pull up and go past him the play is gone it's moved on there's no reason to plant him. The fact that this guy keeps doing it only shows he has no reservations about hurting someone. I understand he's out there for grit and energy, but so I Thorton on the Bruins and I've never seen a single hit he threw that was even borderline. He has respect and plays his role without being a liability and without being a danger to the other players. It's time all enforcers were expected to play like that. Some other players fit that niche as well, but they are rare.
    • Jason  •  Bensalem, Pennsylvania  •  3 months ago
      Memo to officials. Schultz, Kelly, Holmgren, Wilson, Brown etc. are all retired for a long time now. Actually as a Flyers fan I am embarrassed at how meek this team is. With Pronger gone the defense are all Lady Byng candidates. The Flyers pretty much had to get rid of Steve Downie and now he is on a first line. They took hitting out of Mike Richards game after he caught a couple guys not looking. Is it the orange? They got shoved around by Boston in playoffs last year so they bulked up a little. Refs stop living in the past.
    • Shawn  •  Richardson, Texas  •  3 months ago
      Not too sure really, charging and getting scored on should be enough. He had him lined up from about the blue line which could be a bit head hunter'ish. It was a little late but Big E jumped back up and wasn't injured. I'm a Win's fan and feel Ericsson learned his lesson for admiring his pass. If Ericsson would have looked up he could have reversed the hit. Players have to take some responsibility themselves and keep their head on a swivel.
    • Paul  •  3 months ago
      Not to mention that Rinaldo has a nice slew foot on Zach Parise recently, but thats what you kind of expect from the Flyers. When was the last time they won the Cup again????
    • Lexus P  •  3 months ago
      LOL!

      He takes around 10-12 strides before he launches him into Ericsson.
      • J-Star 3 months ago
        10-12 strides skating down the ice before he glided into Ericsson. It's hard to hit a player if you're never allowed to move!
      • Stick Boy 3 months ago
        @ J-Star
        Glided? Please put down the crack pipe. You don't glide into a 240 lb man and send him flying and knock his glove off. It was absolutely a charge, and a head hit, and he left his feet to do so.
        Please don't be a homer. All teams and fans need to understand that this dirty play needs to stop.
      • J-Star 3 months ago
        You're either a Wings fan, or a Flyer's hater, and thus guilty of what you accuse me of. And by your logic, all hits that knock "a 240 lb man" down should be charging.
    • Joe  •  3 months ago
      I just want to know what it's going to take for the guy to ACTUALLY get suspended. The 2 plays he was fined for against the Devils (which he admitted he did intentionally to "stir the pot"), then this Saturday he 2-hand chops at Dubinsky's wrist. Is he going to have to seriously injure someone before he gets the press box time he deserves?
      • Stick Boy 3 months ago
        I totally agree. Rino is sooooo friggin dangerous. AFTER he seriously hurts someone is too late.
    • Dan  •  3 months ago
      I'm getting tired of hearing about a borderline Zac Rinaldo hit or two after every game. Forget Shanabanning him, someone needs to tune this kid up. And it's going to take more than Dubinsky.
    • Mike  •  3 months ago
      Charging penalty. Nothing else.
    • josh  •  Cleveland, Ohio  •  3 months ago
      Once again the pussification of the NHL glows with an aggressive hit...yes it was a charge but other then that a clean hit. The game last night was a playoff style game. If they start suspending players for hits like that, they might as well take contact out of the sport, make goals from above the circles 2 points and change the name from hockey to basketball
    • Joel  •  Dallas, Texas  •  3 months ago
      That hit looks perfectly fine to me
    • Kyle K  •  Rochester, New York  •  3 months ago
      I think Ryan just below me hit the nail on the head-his past transgressions are the compelling factors. Most guys wouldn't even get a call from Shanny but he is showing an unbelievable lack of common sense. He can be a very effective grit player for Philly but needs to tone it down. (of course having Sestito as linemate take the focus off of Rinaldo for the officials...)
    • Max Zorin  •  3 months ago
      A player who just made a pass is looking behind him admiring his pass and gets hit square in he chest. Move along, nothing to see here.
    • Joe in DE  •  Plainfield, New Jersey  •  3 months ago
      Good hit or not, this guy is a total non-factor. Reminds me of when the Flyers had Riley Cote. Between Rinaldo and Sestito, there are 2 guys in the Flyers lineup who have no idea what to do with that long composite thing in their hands or that black disc that everybody seems to be chasing. I see no coincidence that the Flyers try to goon it up with the Rangers and Red Wings two games in a row and get dropped by both teams. While the Flyers are concentrating on laying big hits, the skilled teams are busy winning the game.
    • Brodie30  •  3 months ago
      By this year's standard, and his status as a repeat offender (2 max fines in one game a little over a week ago), he'll likely get a game or two. They're going to want to avoid a far worse incident and he clearly hasn't learned. I do wish players would stop admiring their passes (and facing the boards on boarding penalties).
    • Caitie  •  Kutztown, Pennsylvania  •  3 months ago
      did not leave feet to leap and hit. and theres no elbow thrown or headshot, but he was a little late, so i say fine him only.

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