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Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:45 am EDT

Why do teams want Jason Kidd?


The confusion just continually leaves me speechless. I usually don't know where to begin little columns like this, but I feel as if I must forge on, even if half my adult life has been spent warning people not to overrate Jason Kidd(notes).

Dallas owner Mark Cuban met with the free agent point guard sometime early Wednesday morning in New York, in a desperate move to try and beat the New York Knicks from signing away the nine-time All-Star. The Portland Trail Blazers, for whatever reason, have also expressed interest.

I'm expressing some interest, as well. I'm interested in just what the hell these teams — New York and Portland, especially — see in Kidd.

The guy is 36 years of age. By the time the playoffs start next spring, he'll be 37. This isn't just old for point guards, this is old for any athlete. And it's also old for point guards. It's ancient for point guards. Mo Cheeks was in a walker by age 35.

Kidd has enjoyed a fantastic career. A great deal of what he provides cannot show up in individual statistics, but individual statistics have also helped inflate his worth. He's a bit of a liability to an offense if he isn't dominating the rock, dishing out tons of assists. He has a reputation as a fast-break point guard, but I can't tell you how many would-be breaks have been halted by Kidd chasing after rebounds, instead of leaking out and waiting for the outlet pass. And his jumper, though on-point in 2008-09, comes and goes.

This is the point where I have to point out that I'm not pointing toward denigrating this point guard's skills. He's a fine, fine player, even at this stage. He helps teams. I just don't get where he fits into the plan for a team like the Knicks, or the Trail Blazers.

New York? I thought you were starting from scratch? I thought you were turning it around? I thought every penny was for this time, 12 months from now?

Is this supposed to intrigue LeBron James(notes)? Give Chris Bosh(notes) room for pause? A man who, should they sign into your fold, will be 38 by the time their first postseason as a New York Knick commences? Someone who will be three years older than the guy who was too old to be anything but a defensive liability in the face of Chris Paul(notes) in 2008?

On the court, sure, he can help. He can push the ball and find teammates and make life fun. But what are we shooting for, here? 40 wins? A bit of fun while rebuilding? Can't that be done with a series of prospects that don't cost as much, or won't eat into the 2010 cap space? Isn't this severely impatient?

Portland already started over. They already brought in the youth. Things are humming along. So why hand money and minutes to a man who will be near retirement age (or, retired) by the time your core is in its prime? Why waste the money? Why waste the roster spot?

And, in both cases, where's the work? Where's the creativity in throwing mid-level exception money at Jason Kidd, even if he re-signs with Dallas? Just to say you made an attempt? Just to give the fair weather fans who aren't really up on NBA comings and goings something to perk to? If that's it, then this is incredibly crass and cynical.

I'm not going to buy that throwing out potential suitors to the press is Kidd's way of gaining leverage. I think the teams are really after him, for whatever reason. It's bad leveraging anyway, mainly because Mark Cuban was always going to offer Kidd above MLE money. Kidd doesn't need the leverage. 

And he certainly doesn't need his name in the papers, because it's that name that is getting him these potential offers, right now.

Think about it. He averaged nine points and nine assists last year. Nine and nine. I know he rebounded half as much as Kidd, but a 29-year old Brevin Knight(notes) averaged 10 and nine (with a bunch of steals, like Jason) for the Charlotte Bobcats in 2004-05, and were teams banging down his door at 12:01 a.m. to try and sign the guy that summer? And Kidd ain't 29. He's 36. The dog years, for a point guard. So what's the difference?

Jason Kidd's been an All-Star. Brevin Knight never was. Jason Kidd's been on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Knight? Not so much. As it has been for years with Kidd, it is reputation gone mad. Style over substance.

Now, I give the Mavs a break on this. Mark Cuban wants to tinker, he doesn't want to blow things up, he's not likely to give Kidd a massive deal, and he has his as-yet-unexplained set of statistical data that vaults Kidd to the top of the most valuable players in this league in his hand. He wants his team back, with Kidd running things. Can't blame the guy. And the money he's probably offering Jason is fair.

It's the Knicks and Blazers that get me. Why New York would want to sign anyone past 2009-10, much less a 36-year old point guard, just baffles me to no end. Even nodding in Kidd's direction confuses me, because Kidd has always thought money-first, and the Mavs were always going to offer him the most money.

And if I'm a Knicks or Blazers fan, I'm a little upset at this. I want my team thinking about 2010, if I wear the blue and orange. If I support the Blazers, I'm hoping that Kevin Pritchard brings in a series of players whose ages actually match up with Brandon Roy(notes) and Greg Oden(notes), instead of Alan Henderson(notes) and Brian Evans

Even if it is a ploy, and Kidd scampers back to Dallas by the end of today's trading day, it's a feint that I just can't get behind.

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  1. C
    1. Posted by C Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:58 am EDT

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    Maybe, just maybe, people being actually paid to judge bball relevancy know a little more about Jkidd's abilit(y)ies than you do? You know, I know it is crazy but people that see him in practice or God forbid watch the game with a greater nuance might know more about what he can and cannot do at this stage than a yahoo.com NBA sports blogger sitting at home in his draws?
  2. Travis
    2. Posted by Travis Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:13 am EDT

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    #1, you're an idiot. This post is RIGHT ON, and I know the Blazers and I know Kidd.
    I don't know why the hell anyone in the Portland management team would want Kidd. And you know, they may not. It might be a smokescreen to drive his value up. I hope that's the case, because I don't want to see this guy in Portland, not one bit. I'll take Steve Blake and Bayless over Kidd in Portland. Hinrich and Miller are two PGs I see fitting in with the Blazers, and I don't feel especially adamant about those two guys, either.
    And no, Portland did not need to move up and draft a PG this year. Patty Mills may end up being a great catch at the end of the draft.
    Anyway, no Kidd in Portland. Please.
  3. Travis
    3. Posted by Travis Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:14 am EDT

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    Oh, and while I'm ranting, I think getting Hedo would be an awful decision for the Blazers, too. For all the obvious reasons.
  4. j b
    4. Posted by j b Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:15 am EDT

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    I love the article. Was shocked when I saw the knicks were interested in him. Six years ago it would have made sense..Now? Duh!!!!
  5. hans k
    5. Posted by hans k Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:17 am EDT

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    Rondo is better than Kidd.. And I'm not a Celtics fan. It's just looking at their stats..
  6. hans k
    6. Posted by hans k Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:17 am EDT

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    Rondo is better than Kidd.. And I'm not a Celtics fan. It's just looking at their stats..
  7. don e
    7. Posted by don e Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:19 am EDT

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    People want Kidd so he can teach their team every little nook and cranny about the game, its like having a coach run up and down the floor with you (slowly).
    He'll soon be the spokesman for Rascals. And man will he regret playing this long in 5 years when his legs are like butta.
  8. don e
    8. Posted by don e Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:20 am EDT

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    Its not about the stats fool.
  9. don e
    9. Posted by don e Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:24 am EDT

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    Ay Skeets I know you're hatin on Kidd because of your love for Bite Size Barea
  10. Anton
    10. Posted by Anton Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:27 am EDT

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    All I care about is Dallas releasing him. PLEASE. LEAVE HIM!!! Get Miller, Lee, Hedo, Gortat, Artest -ANYBODY!!!
  11. Jean Paul C
    11. Posted by Jean Paul C Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:31 am EDT

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    #5, dude kidd is past his best look at his stats like 4 to 5 years ago and then say that rondo is better...yea i didnt think so.
  12. Bobby Phills Driving School
    12. Posted by Bobby Phills' Driving School Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:35 am EDT

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    That might make sense if Skeets actually wrote this.
  13. Trey
    13. Posted by Trey Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:39 am EDT

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    I'm fine with Dallas resigning him for a reasonable deal because, really, who else will play point for this team? But I still have issues with the "what he does won't show up in the box scores" argument. If he truly makes his teammates better it WILL show up in the box scores just not in HIS box scores. Dirk was an MVP before Kidd got there. Howard was an All-star before Kidd got there. Terry was a 6th Man of the year before Kidd. The team was better defensively before Kidd and comparable offensively. So maybe everyone likes playing with Kidd because it's 'more fun.' Whatever. Winning is pretty fun too.
  14. AK
    14. Posted by AK Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:03 pm EDT

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    Kidd is clearly not in his prime, but as a guaranteed Hall of Famer, and one of the most knowledgeable players in the game today, he adds that championship pedigree to whatever contending team he joins. He'd be wasting a year with the Knicks (huge Knick/Kidd fan), he should go to an actual contender.
  15. Jaceman
    15. Posted by Jaceman Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:07 pm EDT

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    Maybe they want him to be like a Sam Cassell, developmental type PG. I can see Blazers biting to develop Jerryd Bayless. Furthermore, Kidd was only a "liability" on offense because Erick Dampier can't help. I think Greg Oden/Joel Przybilla might fare a little better. Just my 2 cents.
  16. KRM
    16. Posted by KRM Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:27 pm EDT

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    The Mavs shouldve kept Harris. Jason Kidd has been an average point guard the last 5 years. Just because he knows the game doesnt make him good. Hes not a winner. My teams the bobcats and Id rather have Felton or Augustin thatn Kidd. But hey, if the knicks want to get him and pay him all that money and lose, I dont mind. As long as its not my team.
  17. QuAzY
    17. Posted by QuAzY Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:42 pm EDT

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    The only reason why Kidd is going to NY is because Lebron will be joining him there next year ... Think think think ... its been LBJ and Kidds plan after the Olympics
    Lakers 2010 2011 .... 2012 yeah!!!
  18. Anzu
    18. Posted by Anzu Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:51 pm EDT

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    Reading some of these comments make me realize that a lot of people don't understand basketball or haven't played at a high level to understand what Jason Kidd brings to a basketball team. Look at Team USA, Jason Kidd set the tone and clearly provided the necessary skill set and leadership to help USA win back the gold. When the other PG's took over, we dropped the lead.
    He can't defend fast PG's like CP3, Tony Parker, etc., but who can? He's still a great 2 guard defender. Dwayne Wade called him one of the best spot defenders in the league. Did you see how well he played Dwayne Wade in the regular season?
    Though he no longer posts the same stats he used to, he's still a stat stuffer. This blogger doesn't realize that 9 and 9 Jason Kidd is not the same as a 10 and 9 Brevin Knight. That's ridiculously stupid and I assume his basketball experience is limited to his time during PE class. It's like comparing Shane Battier to any mediocre NBA player, comparing the stats, and saying they're the same but you should take the younger/cheaper one. Silly.
    Search keywords Jason Kidd, Team USA, Lebron, Kobe, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, etc. Go read what they have to say and learn why everyone wants him on their team. Don't be a fool.
  19. Don L
    19. Posted by Don L Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:05 pm EDT

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    As a Blazer fan, there is only one reason I would want Jason Kidd...and he could accomplish the same thing if they brought him in as a consultant.
  20. r t
    20. Posted by r t Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:15 pm EDT

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    @318 - Quazy:
    Why must you post your garbage about the Lakers when there is absolutely nothing in the article related to them?
    And if you really think the lakers are going to win b/w 2-4 consecutive championships, then you are just a delusional homer...
  21. Nolan R
    21. Posted by Nolan R Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:18 pm EDT

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    I agree completely KD. And to the poster above. From what I saw of Team USA. They looked way better when KIDD of the court. If you need a coach, hire a coach. Get Kidd off the floor.
  22. JM
    22. Posted by JM Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:26 pm EDT

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    Just a note, Cuban's "as-yet-unexplained set of statistical data that vaults Kidd to the top of the most valuable players in this league" is, what from what I've heard, a variation on adjusted plus/minus (which is available at basketballvalue.com). Kidd ranks very high according to this metric (7th in the league according to basketballvalue), as well as according to Dave Berri's Wins Produced formula. It's counter-intuitive, but he adds a lot of value to his team, even at this age. I think Anzu has hit on a big part of it: defense. The other part is rebounding -- he rebounds very, very well for a point guard. So with Jason Kidd you get a good point guard, a good two-guard defender, and the equivalent of an extra forward for rebounding, all in one package. That's why lots of teams still want him. He's old, so he won't get better and could get worse, but he's dropping off from a high level.
  23. JP
    23. Posted by JP Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:41 pm EDT

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    KD - nice take. These articles are filling a void in a slow nba news day.
    Whoever signs Kidd is doing it for name recognition, not because they want to win a championship. Also, I would hate to be in Donnie Walsh's position - with Cuban pulling all the strings behind the scenes, undercutting him. Why is an owner gong ot NY to make an offer to Kidd? That is the GM's (or whatever they call that job in Dallas) job. Cuban deserves what he gets. After the Dampier signing and even more inexcusable - resigning Devean George last year with a player option for 2009 - 2010 - this team is on the downward slope.
    Cuban has put together a team of basically Nowitzki, who is in his prime but may start to slip, and a bunch of overpaid/overvalued players.
  24. rightsaidfred
    24. Posted by rightsaidfred Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:54 pm EDT

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    They want him because the old age home won't take him. Also, the Knicks have a habit of overpaying point guards (Stephon Marbury, Isiah Thomas etc.).
  25. JP
    25. Posted by JP Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:00 pm EDT

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    nice post #7

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