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Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:35 pm EDT

What's next for the Nuggets


The good news? The Denver Nuggets, for the first time since I can remember, got exactly what they paid for.

Actually, that's not entirely true. The team's woeful rebuilding year of 2002-03 -- a season that featured exactly two players making over $2.5 million a year and ending in only 17 wins -- was a pretty good reflection of the team's salary structure. But beyond that? Nothing.

Not when Bernie Bickerstaff was trying to cover a massive head wound with straw and cut grass and the signing of Sarunas Maciulionis before 1996-97. Not when Dan Issel ambled off of his radio station stool to take over as GM, decrying Tony Battie(notes) as "El Busto" while thinking, "you know who would be the best player, in his prime, to help lead these kids to the promised land? Nick Van Exel." That team won 14 games in 50 tries.

Not when Kiki Vandeweghe, after smartly deciding to rebuild after Issel's embarrassing turn, not entirely acutely bid against himself to sign and trade for Kenyon Martin(notes), tossing draft picks to the Nets and extra salary to Martin that no other team was going to come close to offering him. Unsurprisingly, Kiki works for the Nets, now.

And certainly not with Allen Iverson(notes) on board, and with three other Nuggets making eight figures a year.

Last summer, the Nugs got it. They knew that, as with most observations made by the national media, one thing wasn't as bad as people thought, and another wasn't as good as people assumed.

The Nuggets knew that the team's defense wasn't as porous as everyone made it out to be (at least, overall in 2007-08), and that Marcus Camby's(notes) defense wasn't as stellar as most made it out to be.

Yes, he blocked a bunch (well, three a game or something) of shots and produced gaudy rebounding totals, but he was an absolute sieve in the screen and roll game (a "game" that 98.9 of all NBA offenses more or less run all the time), and could be beaten in the post.

So, while they were stuck not getting what they paid for, they decided to pay a little less, and traded Camby for pure salary relief. Not salary cap relief, mind you, but some draft picks they'll never see and a trade exception they might get to use this summer.

Then the team took advantage of Detroit's new insistence on rebuilding, and upgraded Allen Iverson's expiring deal for Chauncey Billups(notes). Then Nene stayed healthy, the defense improved somewhat with Nene and Martin playing together, and the offense shot even farther up (something nobody talks about) with Billups and J.R. Smith(notes) taking Iverson's old shots.

They then won the hearts and minds of America, grew to become a viable championship threat before losing in six games to the Los Angeles Lakers, and ... that's about it.

When you trade for Billups like that, you're aware of his contract, and aware that he's on the other side of the hill. Still All-Star caliber, no doubt, but for how long?

And you know that you're going to be paying him, while he declines. About 25 million over the next two years for a player that, let's be honest, will gracefully ease closer and closer to the point that the Nuggets will either trade him in 2011 (because of Billups' unguaranteed contract in 2011-12), or decline to pick up the last year of his deal outright.

Martin, who makes even more, is untradeable. You wouldn't trade Carmelo Anthony(notes). You could trade Nene, perhaps (even that, with his eight-figure yearly salary, is dicey), but you'd have then traded your starting center. And this time, he's the underrated one.

The Nuggets are well over the cap. They're also about at the luxury tax threshold even with several rotation players to retain. They need Anthony Carter(notes), or a reasonable facsimile of Anthony Carter, to return at backup point guard. Perhaps a younger, better version. They can dream.

They want Chris Andersen(notes) back. They're still paying Antonio McDyess's(notes) buyout next year. Linas Kleiza(notes) is up for a contract extension, or he could play out the string for the qualifying offer. Dahntay Jones(notes) is a free agent.

Even declining to bring any of those guys back leaves the Nuggets with precious little room to work under the luxury tax. They're going to pay it. And for those who think owner Stan Kroenke owes the team to pay the tax because of all the revenue glommed from a three-series run in 2009, understand that this little burst of windom will only partially help cover the costs of all those first round losses from 2004 to 2008.

They're paying the tax, though. Even if the team decided that this was it, and completely tried to rebuild around Anthony (dealing everyone else away), the sheer fear of taking on new salary (or, in Dallas' case, bad salary) from 29 other teams will likely leave the Nuggies with no trading partners. This is their team, and they're paying the tax.

From there, what? Kleiza is chummy with the owner's son, so he'll find a way back with a new deal. Jones will probably be retained, I don't think any coach is keen to take him on after the way he nastied through the 2009 Playoffs. Andersen will be retained, and likely overpaid, just to avoid some nonsense on PTI from mid-January about how "we knew when the Nuggets let the Birdman go to the Mavericks that they lost their heart and soul," never knowing that the guy is 31 in July and relies solely on his legs.

Then there's that trade exception, it's for $10 million, and it can be broken up to use in a series of minor'ish deals meant to accrue depth. My issue is, what do the Nuggets need?

No, they didn't win the ring. They went out in the Conference finals, and they didn't even take it to seven games. But this team is pretty stacked, as is. And do you know what they're after? Parts that every other team is after.

They need a backup point guard who can compete with starting-quality talent. Who doesn't?

They need a big man who can score in the post, by himself. Join the club. Up until a week and a half ago, Orlando thought it still needed someone like that.

So maybe they can go all out. Dump it on Chicago for Kirk Hinrich(notes). Go after Mike Miller(notes). Split it up for Beno Udrih(notes). Go sign Marquis Daniels(notes). Go sign Rasho Nesterovic(notes). Minimum deals, while retaining the core.

Or, we can understand that sometimes you just have to take a team as is. Nugget fans? You wanted Kenyon Martin. You wanted Nene to stick around. You want the Birdman back. You want your franchise guy to be on a max deal. You loved the idea of trading for Chauncey Billups. You love this team.

And that's, sometimes, the price you pay. And if the Nuggets get a string of teams they match up well with this time next year, or someone gets hurt, or a stud becomes available for that trade exception (that I don't think they'll use and wouldn't blame them for not using), then we could see the team's first NBA championship.

Sometimes being "right there" is just right. Especially when it's not your money to spend.

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  1. OG Warrior Fan
    1. Posted by OG Warrior Fan Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:57 pm EDT

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    Sarunas Maciulionis FTW!
  2. buloy
    2. Posted by buloy Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:58 pm EDT

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    go nuggs! keep d birdman's nest in denver
  3. April O
    3. Posted by April O Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:59 pm EDT

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    I usually flush my nuggets,,,, but they keep coming back up
  4. genius_man16
    4. Posted by genius_man16 Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:00 pm EDT

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    I think that you're right in that everyone will stay. I think if anything happens it will be trying to get Shaq from Phoenix. I don't think it will happen, but if anything does, that will be it.
  5. OG Warrior Fan
    5. Posted by OG Warrior Fan Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:02 pm EDT

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    Sarunas Maciulionis FTW!
  6. Lakergirl
    6. Posted by Lakergirl Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:09 pm EDT

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    Nice celebration by J.R Smith in game 4.........douchbag
  7. Nugmaster
    7. Posted by Nugmaster Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:19 pm EDT

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    Go Nuggets ! Awesome year, we're so proud !
  8. Chico
    8. Posted by Chico Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:21 pm EDT

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    The Nuggets are somewhat 'stuck' with the only fine tuning is via the second-string and getting a 'big' as a Nene helper. I think JR Smith is maturing at a faster rate than ever before but at this rate he'll be forty before he gets 'it'. Nuggets were all flat in game six except for JR Swish. It's like they didn't want to (or weren't up to) going back to LA and facing that challenge. I just hope this taste makes them want it more and build on it then be a flash-in-the-pan!
  9. fake/ass/laker/fans
    9. Posted by fake/ass/laker/fans Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:35 pm EDT

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    Good job this year Nugs. Magic will hand the a$$ to the fakers.
  10. Lakergirl
    10. Posted by Lakergirl Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:46 pm EDT

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    post 10
    The magic will hand the ass to the lakers just like the Nuggets did right???
  11. Chris
    11. Posted by Chris Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:52 pm EDT

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    Since when did Denver "win the hearts and minds of America"? They are a bunch of thugs and everyone knows it. The only hearts and minds they won were Laker-haters hoping that some in the West could derail the Lakers. All those haters have now jumped on the Magic bandwagon.
  12. Rusty S
    12. Posted by Rusty S Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    All we need is a guy who doesn't quit until the last whistle of the last game. We all saw game 6, which was basically extended garbage time from game 5 because the Nuggets gave up. I thought Billups was that guy, but even he gave up in the second half. Not talking about offense - everybody was full of energy when it was time to launch threes. It was the WALKING around on the defensive end that was so depressing to watch. By the third pass by the Lakers, or about 10 seconds into the shot clock, nobody was bothering to run out to shooters. No wonder the Lakers shot almost 60%. As long as that pathetic non-competitive tendency is still hiding in the core of this team, it's not going to get into the finals, much less win a championship.
  13. Party Pooper
    13. Posted by Party Pooper Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:00 pm EDT

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    I think Denver is close to being an elite team. In fact, in my opinion, they just to to work on their team composure and attitude. That comes with playing together for many years.
  14. ASGisChillin
    14. Posted by ASGisChillin Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:02 pm EDT

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    they need to start trying to get rid of the head case players they have that make poor decisions consistently. JR Smith is one of them but he's too good to let go. You can have one loose cannon on the team and he is it. Kenyon Martin? worthless. Poor decision maker, good defender, offensively inept, and mentally questionable. nene underrated, hardly. he is over rated. He'll never be better than what he is now and to me that is average. Trade him before he loses his value. Jones is worthless, let him walk. Anthony carter? lost them the first game of the series, bye. Then you could pay birdman and kleiza which they should. this team needs more than 1 player who is a steadying force. they need a guy to be billups when he isnt on the floor. to me they lost to the lakers because of their composure and mental toughness, both of which are poor. if denver wants to make the next jump they need to address that problem.
  15. Michael K
    15. Posted by Michael K Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    these bloggers may know their sports, but they suck at writing.
  16. Ross D
    16. Posted by Ross D Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:25 pm EDT

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    I am writing my opinion, interest and concern because Melo is good freind of my Lakers' kobe. Melo cleaned up and straightened himself this year and at last playing like a superstar. Finally, Denver created a team better than the 1985 team but unlucky and not enough against the more talented Kobe and the Lakers, The Nuggets management should do some fine tune up and minor changes to the present Nuggets core and they should come up with an even competitive team may be capable of beating my Lakers! If Denver can find a "better or much better' players to replace Kenyon, Nene, Dahntay and JR, Denver will be a strong champioship contender next year. Said 4 players are good but for some reason they self-destruct and hurt Denver chances of winning games. I am assuming Denver can exchange players with other teams wisely and be able to pay THE PRICE! Money talks even in the NBA. Denver will be an instant contender if they can lure (and afford to pay!) either Dwayne Wade or LeBron James who are unrestricted players next season. Carmelo will be so motivated and so inpired to play and win the NBA trophy next year. It's not bad to dream - anything can happen even in the NBA. For now - GO Lakers!
  17. skyer
    17. Posted by skyer Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    Billups should still perform at 35... can't say the same for AI because of his size and injuries.
  18. Travis
    18. Posted by Travis Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:32 pm EDT

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    Good work today, KD, but where are Skeets and Tas?
  19. Simmsinns
    19. Posted by Simmsinns Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:51 pm EDT

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    Yahoo! should pay Skeets more to sit around and not post on these nice 3 day weekends.
  20. DICK SMOTHERS
    20. Posted by DICK SMOTHERS Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:13 pm EDT

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    You mean the nuggets lost?.....ha ha!
  21. Redskins21
    21. Posted by Redskins21 Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:14 pm EDT

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    What is the definition of a Thug.... Why are they thugs .. cause they have tattoo's and don't take no $hit from other players... Denver isn't even my team but I'm tired of people callin them thugs. The only people that do are Surburban people who grew up with a silver spoon..
  22. Joe T
    22. Posted by Joe T Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:20 pm EDT

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    respect post 15 & 20.
    Bird man played some solid D, he just needs a new hair sylist and he will be all right.
    But JR Smith needs a boot in the ass, u see him taunting cuz he hit one big shot in one game? what a loser.
  23. TheBiggestLakerFanEver
    23. Posted by TheBiggestLakerFanEver Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    HAHAHAHAHA...Denver would be a contender if they can get Lebron James or Dwyane Wade? Are you crazy? Apart from that being the understatement of the year...Just about every playoff team in the NBA this year can say that (well except Miami and Cleveland). And to the idiot (Hugh Mungustic post #15) who said
    "Kenyon Martin? worthless. Poor decision maker, good defender, offensively inept, and mentally questionable. nene underrated, hardly. he is over rated. He'll never be better than what he is now and to me that is average. Trade him before he loses his value. Jones is worthless, let him walk. Anthony carter? lost them the first game of the series, bye."
    you are now the stupidest person on planet Earth. 1st...KMart shot 47% for the series, averaged 12.5 points and over 7 rebounds per game. Not only that, he only had 7 turnovers throughout the entire series, and 5 of those were in the first 2 games. Seems to me like he didn't hurt the Nuggets at all, and played a pretty solid role in the Nuggets run this year. He many not be able to shoot, but he's competitive in the paint. Maybe he's not worth his salary, but he's playing hard...I'd hardly call that worthless. Nene? OMG!!! Nene's only problem was staying on the court. He stayed healthy this year, now he's gotta figure out how to stay on the court, when he was in the game the Lakers were a jump shooting team. Plain and simple. He was an anchor to their defense and he can finish around the basket, although he needs to work on improving even more so in that area, but again, I'd hardly call that worthless or overrated. And he's definitely better than average. Jones and Carter, play vital roles on this team as well. They are solid on the perimeter defensively. Jones needs to work on his jumpshot, because he does handicap the team offensively, but he allows Denver to not have to double team the other team's best perimeter player. You need a guy like that. He's just gotta work on his jumpshot. Carter is a veteran ballhandler, and there's nothing wrong with him coming off the bench to spell Billups.
    I don't know what your problem is...but the Nuggets did very well this year, and I think they only need to improve individually. Nene with his post 1-on-1 moves and finishing around the basket, Jones on his jumpshot, Smith on just maturing. As a whole the Lakers were the only team in the West that was gonna beat Denver. If Houston eliminated the Lakers, It would be a Denver-Orlando final. Nuggets should give their players another year, with the cohesion, maturity, and experience they've gained from these playoffs, they could be next year's Magic.
  24. SCSF- LA where repeats and 3-peats happen!
    24. Posted by SCSF- LA where repeats and 3-peats happen! Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:50 pm EDT

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    "THE CHOKEN 1" showed up at the Q epecting a BRONZE MEDAL Game w/ the Druggie Thuggets..... (no handshakes included)
  25. Hello, My Name Is Johnny Cash...
    25. Posted by Hello, My Name Is Johnny Cash... Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:15 pm EDT

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    For anyone interested in learning why people call this team the Denver "Thuggets" (Which by the way I personally never have) You might want to do some research on the following players: Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith, Kenyon Martin, and Chris Anderson. Everything from Murder to Drug-smuggling on airlines. It's not like people have to make this up, just calling it as they see it. If you want to support and cheer for a murderer (J.R. Smith) that's cool, just don't expect everyone else to like or enjoy that arrogant @ss on the court or off.

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