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OK, we know the first decade of the 21st century doesn't really end until 2011. We think. But we also know there have been 10 full NBA seasons played since the phrase "Y2K" was on all of our lips (1999-2000), and here at Ball Don't Lie we've decided to use this as an offseason excuse to rank some of the best and not-so-brightest of the 10 campaigns in question. The result? Why, top 10 lists!

That's what a shooting guard looks like.

Michael Jordan, Ron Harper. Lithe, athletic, ready to pounce. Shoot, drive, score. Run, jump, score. Dash, hop, score. Nice.

Not much to this. Just the top 10 shooting guards of the last decade.

10. Jerry Stackhouse(notes)

Stackhouse's highs were a little higher than the man who immediately follows him on this list - someone he was actually traded for in September of 2002 - but his lows were certainly a lot lower.

That said, potent scorer. Not exactly the most efficient scorer, but certainly a potent one for years, on several teams. Stack actually neared the 30-point-per-game mark back in 2000-01, but on a squad that saw him lose 50 games, shoot 24 times a game (making fewer than 10 shots per contest), and turn it over 4.1 times a night? A bit of a hollow accomplishment.

9. Richard Hamilton(notes)

I seem to have spent the last half-decade trying to warn people that they might be overrating Hamilton a bit; his significant presence on several standout Pistons teams allows for that. But Hamilton's case hardly need exaggerating.

He's been a rock-solid shooting guard on one of the decade's most consistent outfits for years, even if he looks like a softly tossed rock could knock him over. Just under 18 points per game in 33 minutes a contest for Hamilton, on a career that started the season this list began.

8. Brandon Roy(notes)

Not to stir anything up, please promise me you'll take this as a pump-up of Roy's abilities more than anything else, but worth pointing out:

Brandon Roy's PER, at age 24? Twenty-four.

Kobe Bryant's?(notes) Twenty-six, surrounded by three different campaigns that saw him end with a PER in the mid-23s.

In fact, Roy's PER was just a short step behind Bryant's last season, in a year that saw Bryant mentioned (undeservedly, I might add, amongst career years from LeBron James(notes), Chris Paul(notes) and Dwyane Wade(notes)) among MVP candidates.

The guy is for real. And even if last year was a fluke jump in production, his first two seasons have Roy pegged for stardom anyway. And if last year is any indication, he'll be the league's most underappreciated superstar for quite a while. Sadly, and excitedly.

7. Michael Redd(notes)

His first three seasons saw Redd ride the pine way too much (most frustratingly in 2002-03, a year that saw George Karl trot out Tim Thomas(notes) as a starter 70 times for the Milwaukee Bucks), and he's missed a total of 88 games over the last three seasons. But in that creamy middle lies a fantastic scorer who is ridiculously adept at shooting, not turning the ball over, and absolutely nothing else.

6. Manu Ginobili(notes)

Manu Ginobili has never played 80 games in a season, and I'm sorry, but that hurts. He's averaged 69 games a year in his seven-year career, so it's not as if he's taking entire seasons off, but throw in all the gimpy attempts to play through injury, and the seven-year term (compared to someone like Allen Iverson's(notes) 10-year run through the, um, 10-year decade) is something you have to consider.

That said, as Kobe mentioned, Manu's a bad, bad boy. He scores, shoots a high percentage, rebounds, dishes, picks up steals and defends. He's the complete package that just happens to not play all that much (27.7 minutes per game for his career).

5. Allen Iverson

Iverson is the anti-Michael Redd. Not a shooter, turns the ball over way too much (even though he uses far more possessions), he needs the ball to be effective (instead of shooting off screens), and he kills a lot of offense by dribbling, dribbling, shooting, and missing.

He also scores. I just don't know enough about the game to accurately try to place Iverson's levels of production amongst his peers or the players who came before him. Nor am I going to try to tell you whether or not his teams were winning in spite of him, or whether he was let down by a series of unfortunate teammates. Thirteen years after he was drafted first overall, his style, in this league? I still don't know where it fits. I don't think anyone, if they're honest, really knows.

Here's what I can tell you. He's averaged 27 points and six assists a game on his career. He was the sole offensive option on a team that made the Finals in 2001, and he's one of the greatest this league has ever seen at getting off his own shot. If that last accomplishment ends up being a good or bad thing depends on quite a bit, but it's worth noting.

4. Ray Allen(notes)

For years, Allen was considered to be just a step behind Kobe Bryant amongst the league's off guards, and that may have been a solid assessment, but it was a huge step and an assessment that doesn't quite hold up on the decade-long tally.

Allen's been fantastic and improperly criticized at times, but his all-around game (the rebounds, the assists, the "D") just isn't there in comparison to the men who made the top three.

Still, Allen can shoot. And he works at it. And he can shoot. And he scores well. And he has a ring. And he can shoot. The next 3-pointer he hits will be his 2,300th, he's averaged 20.9 points per game on the career alongside stellar marks of just under 45 percent from the floor (consider where his attempts are coming from), 40 percent from long range and 89.3 percent from the charity stripe.

3. Vince Carter(notes)

Carp at VC all you want, I'll lead the chants, but the man brought it all decade.

Most of the decade. He took some of the decade off, I guess.

When he didn't take parts of decades off, Carter threw together averages of 23.5 points, 5.5 rebounds and 3.8 assists. He's become a much better passer and defender as his career has moved along, while establishing a post-up game. And while he was pretty injury-prone to start the decade, Carter hasn't really missed much time in the years since 2002-03.

2. Dwyane Wade

Wade has only averaged 66 games a year over his career, and he's played just six seasons in the NBA, but ... he's Dwyane Wade.

He has a ring, teams have a hard time stopping him from scoring a whole lot of points, and he's Dwyane Wade. He's averaged 25.2 points per game on 48 percent shooting, 6.7 assists, five boards and 2.8 combined blocks/steals on his career. Very, very good, he is.

1. Kobe Bryant

Very, very brilliant, this man is.

You're well aware of his stats; he's essentially a Jordan-lite. You're aware that he's won four rings, made the Finals two other times, and is one of the greatest backcourt practitioners to ever play this game. And that, at age 31, he's on what might be the deepest and most talented team of his career, a team coming off a Finals victory.

What always impresses me most, is the man's dedication. Complain about the off-court stuff, how calculating he seems, how he can appear pretty transparent at times, I don't mind. You'd be right, in that regard. But you have to respect the amount of work he puts into the game that we love. Work that, I'm sorry, some of our favorite players both past and present just couldn't be bothered to do.

Can't blame those guys, you can only go so hard for so long without getting burned out. Kobe's love is a special love, though. A sick one. MJ had that sickness, Magic had it, Bird had it, Russell had it. All the greats had it.

He's not at their level. But he made damn sure he gave himself every opportunity he could to work toward their level.

Kobe Bryant is the greatest shooting guard of the decade. It's not even close.

Questions? Comments? Furious and righteous anger at a world, not to mention top 10 list, gone wrong? Swing by later today at about 2 p.m. Eastern for a BDL mini-chat regarding this very list.

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  1. monika
    1. Posted by monika Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:45 am EDT

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    Finally Kelly, finally.
  2. MattD
    2. Posted by MattD Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:51 am EDT

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    I had a top ten list to compare to this one before I read it (I had accidentally peeped at 10 and 9, though). Beforehand:
    10. Stackhouse
    9. Hamilton
    8. Ginobili
    7. Allen
    6. Pierce
    5. McGrady
    4. Carter
    3. Wade
    2. Iverson
    1. Kobe
    Surprised at how low Iverson was. I guess you're slotting T-Mac at SF, then.
  3. rstealer boomer sux Lebronze nuts
    3. Posted by rstealer boomer sux Lebronze nuts Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:51 am EDT

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    kobes the man, and so is wade! you put vince overrated carter and ray allen over A.I??? thats unacceptable.
    next list should be ''top 10 chokers of the last decade'' with lebronze leading the pack
  4. MattD
    4. Posted by MattD Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:51 am EDT

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    ^^ and Pierce.
  5. Kaspars S
    5. Posted by Kaspars S Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:54 am EDT

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    well, this is much better than the top 10 point gurds list! I'd still have A.I. ahed of Vince Carter and Brandon Roy ahed of Michaes Read, but all in all, this is pretty good with me.
  6. CB
    6. Posted by CB Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:57 am EDT

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    Iveson should have been 3rd. no doubt about it. im not knocking Ray or Vince but come on now.
  7. the REAL Headless Chicken
    7. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:05 am EDT

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    I guess T-Mac goes in the SF list. Because originally he's more a three, more a Pippen, than a Jordan.
  8. cjoeyc995
    8. Posted by cjoeyc995 Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:22 am EDT

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    heyyy,
    i would also very much like to see a "top 10 chokers" of the decade.
    but thank you. finally, someone fully appreciates the brilliance of kobe bryant. he's definitely not at the MJ, magic, bird level... yet, but he's also only 31 with at least 5-6 years left of solid ball. i'm sure he'll be able to get there. watch out MJ with 6 rings.. cuz here comes kobe with 4 aiming for more. :]
  9. CluTcH
    9. Posted by CluTcH Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:25 am EDT

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    "He's not at their level."
    You need to add a comma "Yet" at the end of that.
  10. Paul staley
    10. Posted by Paul staley Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:29 am EDT

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    Pierce is a small forward
  11. rs6747
    11. Posted by rs6747 Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:30 am EDT

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    love how you still take shots at Kobe when talking about his greatness.
  12. rstealer boomer sux Lebronze nuts
    12. Posted by rstealer boomer sux Lebronze nuts Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:32 am EDT

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    4 aces, the ballhog just won a ring, what have you ever won in your pathetic life otherwise from prison sentences? get a life idiot!
  13. gaborik10m
    13. Posted by gaborik10m Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:33 am EDT

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    any person who would willingly and publicly admit that they believe Michael Redd is a better shooting guard than Brandon Roy is nucking futs.
  14. Bernard
    14. Posted by Bernard Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:36 am EDT

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    STACKHOUSE??!!! R u kidding me?? Even you had nothing positive to say about his only good season of almost 30 ppg season. Where is Joe Johnson? Where is Michael Finley? Where is Doug Christie? (I'll take his defense over Stack anytime)
  15. Zach
    15. Posted by Zach Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:39 am EDT

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    "He's not at their level."--- KD strikes again. Sounds like you just give Kobe an A for effort. How many rings before he's at their level? How many did Bird have by the way?
  16. Borges
    16. Posted by Borges Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:41 am EDT

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    J.E. Skeets is a hack as a writer. Im shocked he didnt throw Lebrons name into the mix.
    Could you believe skeets has a tattoo of lebron on his back and an I heart Lebron tattoo on his arm
  17. Basketball Fan
    17. Posted by Basketball Fan Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:42 am EDT

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    Is that the best picture of Ray Allen that you can get?
  18. Ryan
    18. Posted by Ryan Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:48 am EDT

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    Now there's gonna be all these idiots, just like in the last list of point guards, that want to include players that played their final few years in this decade but are really 90's players. "Where's Michael Jordan?"
  19. gerlyn s
    19. Posted by gerlyn s Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:48 am EDT

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    come on! carter n allen r so overrated!! they can't even carry a team to d play-offs on der own... but roy n iverson surely can.. dis shouldn't b jst all abt individual stats but also wat impact he has on a team. top 5 for me..... 1.kobe 2.wade 3.iverson 4. roy 5.carter
  20. th866451
    20. Posted by th866451 Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:49 am EDT

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    In a few years, Kobe and Larry will have probably identical award-winning careers. Now I know that Kobe didn't rebound or pass like Bird, but Larry was never scoring champion, and although he has the MVPs, he played in a superstar-less (pretty much) era. Not to mention Kobe has 1 more ring, so far! Bird and Kobe are very comparable at Kobe's stage in his career right now.
  21. traditions
    21. Posted by traditions Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:49 am EDT

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    Paul Pierce doesn't belong anywhere near this list. He has been a small forward his entire career. Shows you how much Boston fans know about the sport. I don't agree with the list in a couple areas. It shouldn't have A I so low and V C so high. Come to think of it Stack should not be mentioned when it comes to this list. I would be more comfortable with Jordan being on this list than I am with Stack. His replacement should be Reggie Miller. He did a lot more for his team even though he didn't play the whole decade.
  22. Ron D
    22. Posted by Ron D Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:51 am EDT

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    I guess T MAC is more of a 2 rather than a 3, he was supposed to be at the list no. 3 perhaps
    10. Redd
    9. Hamilton
    8. Roy
    7. Allen
    6. Ginobili
    5. Carter
    4. Wade
    3. Mc Grady
    2. Iverson
    1. Kobe
  23. Nathan V
    23. Posted by Nathan V Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:51 am EDT

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    KD actually knows what he's talking about with Kobe. Just look at the career numbers. Compare Kobe to M.J., Bird, and Magic. He's just not as good as them. At 31 there is no way Kobe gets better than he is right now. Maybe shoots a higher percentage, but that's it. He's one of the greatest players of all time no doubt. KD wouldn't have to say anything bad about him if people weren't so insitent that he's as good as Jordan and Co.
  24. gerlyn s
    24. Posted by gerlyn s Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:52 am EDT

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    im shock j. johnson is not a top 10 SG! stackhouse??? really???
  25. jay_truth
    25. Posted by jay_truth Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:52 am EDT

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    Kelly... for the last decade would include Sprewell right? Individually he's more talented than Stack, Hamilton, Redd, and Ginobili. I'd put him clear ahead of Allen too, if he kept to a clean image. Roy and Redd? Are you serious? Spree for number 6, bumping Stack, Roy or Redd out!!!! Redd...Are you kidding me man? How old are you Kelly? How long have you been watching pro hoops. You are good at what you do...can't you see a one-dimensional player when he is slapping you in the face??

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