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Wed May 28, 2008 10:50 am EDT

Take the whistle: Was Brent Barry fouled by Fisher?

By J.E. Skeets

That was an obvious foul on Fisher! ... You can't call that on a desperation heave! ... Man, if that was Kobe shooting ... No, no, there wasn't enough contact ... The NBA is fixed! ... What about Duncan traveling? ... David Stern is Vince McMahon! ... It was a foul, but Barry didn't sell it ... The Spurs we're lucky to even get that shot ... LOUD NOISES!

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  1. eric cartman
    1. Posted by eric cartman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:51 pm EDT

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    joey crawford is laughing today at tim duncan after not making that obvious foul call on fisher..huge game for barry..need another one thursday..down but not out..spurs in 7..
  2. the REAL Headless Chicken
    2. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    It was a foul but that won't help over the no calls all game long and ist won't help a team unable to do the necessary work. You should enter another answer: Why bother?
  3. Roger Mason Jr. = Hero
    3. Posted by Roger Mason Jr. = Hero Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:09 pm EDT

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    My screen says that there are 71 votes with 50% choosing no call and 51% choosing foul 2 FT. I'm no statistician (ok - actually I kind of am), something doesn't seem correct about that...
  4. Joseph F
    4. Posted by Joseph F Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    Sure, Fisher fouled Brent, though not in the act of shooting. Spurs deserved two free throws...
    ...until I found out, Brent traveled before he was fouled. See here: http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg
    You can clearly see it, steping his left foot back meant his right foot became the pivot foot, and he lifted his pivot foot before he dribbled. Clear travel violation. Maybe that's the reason for the noncall?
  5. the REAL Headless Chicken
    5. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    What are these guys talking about? When your defender is in the air jump into him? This is the crap they destroy the game with. Try to get an honest foul or let it be.
    Barry could have used just a step sideways and Fisher would not have had a chance. Instead he tried to dirve into him. He didn't even shy away from anything. There's only one player I know who did so.
  6. Ross J
    6. Posted by Ross J Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:42 pm EDT

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    It was clearly a foul, it would have been to harsh to give it for continuation though. 2 Ft's should have been given.
    It was a bad play by the Spurs i thought though, why was Barry recieving the ball so far out with that much time left.
  7. Joseph F
    7. Posted by Joseph F Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    Sure, Fisher fouled Barry, though not in the act of shooting. Still, Spurs deserved the two FTs...
    ... until I saw this. http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg
    Clear travel violation (he stepped his left foot back, making his right foot the pivot foot, and he lifted his pivot foot before the dribble) on Barry before the foul. I can't justify a foul if something as basic as a travel violation occurs before the contact.
  8. Laker Lover
    8. Posted by Laker Lover Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    All this crying and analyzing that everyone is doing is silly! We could analyze the whole game and find a lot of "non calls" on both sides, but either way the end of the story is the same.......
    Spurs LOST, their time is up, and it's all about the LAKERS BABY!!!
    Can't wait until Thursday!!
  9. Sky P
    9. Posted by Sky P Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:26 pm EDT

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    To post #7
    Thank God somebody else realizes this! The idea of initiating contact when you get your defender in the air is what I hate the most about the pro game today. That should not be a foul call. They need to change that rule so that if you manage to get your defender in the air, the only purpose is to go around them.
  10. the REAL Headless Chicken
    10. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    You're right about the travel Joseph, but they should have called it then. That's to blame on the referees, mistaking "let them play" with "don't call anything". At least you cannot call them inconsistent.
  11. Joseph F
    11. Posted by Joseph F Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    @Laker Lover:
    I always thought this blog WAS about analysis? Can't wait for KD's thoughts on Game 4.
    But all the controversies aside, LA played great. Outrebounded the Spurs 46-37, 13 offensive rebounds leading to 20+ 2nd chance points, Spurs were out hustled, hence, they tired out in the end, no question. I expect that kind of analysis from KD, though.
  12. flymonk321
    12. Posted by flymonk321 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    I hate these fouls. Technically, yes it should have been called. They'll call that at any other time during the game and sometimes with the game on the line.
    In my opinion those types of fouls should never be called - where the defender is in the air and the offensive player creates all the contact. The offensive player should take advantage of that defensive mistake by taken an open shot, instead of getting to the line. Of course you can't begrudge players by taking advantage of what the refs are going to give them, the solution is to stop making that play a no-lose situation and the way to do that is not call the foul.
  13. Pkasso
    13. Posted by Pkasso Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:50 pm EDT

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    I am a laker fan, in some games it would have been a foul, but I saw many no calls last night. The only reason this is even up for discussion is because the two costly mistakes made by Kobe. I think last night kind of humbled Kobe because he was able to see the tides turn in less than a minute. If anyone remembers what Reggie Miller did to New York in 20 second they would play those last few minutes. It was a good game but Lakers will do away with the spurs on Thursday.
  14. mikey
    14. Posted by mikey Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:41 pm EDT

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    The officiating in the NBA is almost like watching the WWF, what a joke!! They actually seem to not know how to call a foul a foul, or call a foul when there is no foul, it has become a game of bad calls being made up for by calling another bad foul or "letting the guys play" or some other lame reason. Call the game the way the rules say it is supposed to be called. I have followed the NBA since '66 and stuff like this is making it more and more difficult to get into the games. Stern should do something about this because it is turning people away from basketball.
  15. IAmMigel
    15. Posted by IAmMigel Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:59 pm EDT

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    Popovich and Barry handled this situation correctly. They said the call shouldn't have been made and accepted the fact they played a woeful game and acted as though the whole ordeal is a non-issue. All the fans should follow in their footsteps and realize no amount of bickering can alter the outcome of the game. Barry was hit, but it's a terrible situation to put an official.
    Please stop suggesting the NBA could even possibly be fixed. If the officials were trying to throw the game for the Lakers, it would have been Duncan in foul trouble, not Fisher and Odom in the first half and Kobe would have been to the line more than the zero trips he actually made. Overall, the officials did a decent job and let the ending play out without their influence. I, for one, always find that more entertaining than a free throw contest to determine a victor.
  16. Erwin
    16. Posted by Erwin Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:56 pm EDT

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    it's a good no call. if barry would have leaned into Fisher while Fisher was in the air, then a foul should have been called. with the game on the line like that, you got to make a better decision. just for the record, i dont like the Spurs, or the Lakers. i just call it like i see it
  17. Joseph F
    17. Posted by Joseph F Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    @j.b.: Agreed. Although I have to admit, for a league which follows its rules and regulations to the letter (e.g., suspensions, the clock controversy in the Magic @ DET sem final), they sure treat unwritten rules with that much priority when in fact there is no "letter" to base them on.
  18. laker127
    18. Posted by laker127 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:56 pm EDT

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    d. fish fouled brent barry no doubt, the ref missed the call. but you never never, ever rely on the the ref on the final play of the game.
  19. deming_1444
    19. Posted by deming_1444 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:41 pm EDT

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    barkeley, miller & smith were right in their assessment of the no-call. barry should've gone up for the shot as soon as fish came into contact. clearly he tried to get into a better shooting position AFTER the contact by fish and that was why the refs did not call the foul. also, to say that ONE no-call cost could have changed the outcome of the game.....rewind to about 5 seconds before that last play by barry. fish's shot clearly hit the rim before hitting horry on the way out of bounds. the lakers should have been given a new clock rather than possession being given to the spurs. lastly, IT'S THE FINALS...NO REFEREE WOULD WANT TO MAKE A CALL THAT WOULD ALLOW ONE TEAM TO WIN OVER THE OTHER ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT ONE SIDE HAD OUTPLAYED, OUTCLASSED, OUT-HUSSLED THE OTHER.
  20. Joseph F
    20. Posted by Joseph F Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    @The truth:
    If you see the GIF I posted earlier (http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg, yeah, weird file extension), you will see that Barry caught the ball and had complete control of the ball, stopped, faked fisher, traveled, and got the contact. Even if there was a little slide to Barry's fake-out, it doesn't mean there was no traveling. I've seen traveling calls even when there's slippage (pardon my english)
    I agree with KD in his Game 4 analysis post though, this was a game where the better team won and all this excess baggage that is the officiating just ruins enjoying this great game. Laker fan or Spur fan, you would have to agree with that.
  21. omar s
    21. Posted by omar s Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:43 pm EDT

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    ii might have been a foul but the referees did the same thing to suns when sun went back to spurs home court they took suns right out of the game. There were a lot of a bad calls in the game to start the game off but the lakers hold on, when sun could not. The same thing happen last year in the finals bowen foul lebron, that was going to win or beat the spurs, but the call was not call, spurs this year got the end of the stick. But I like the no call. It was not a foul, I didn't see it.
  22. RJ
    22. Posted by RJ Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    Cry Cry Cry-
    Bad no call deserves another.
    The Zebras missed an equally important call seconds before. Fisher last shot did hit the rim and 24 sec should reset. Lakers win game over. Lakers will ran out the clock but Bryant had to put a shot with 2 sec left. If you see the replay Fisher ball clearly hit the rim it altered thats why Horry couldnt get it and bounced off his foot instead.
    Biased ,horrible and refs against the Spurs PlEASE.
    Please watch the replay of the whole game, Spurs got outplayed, got all the calls and never got the lead.
  23. MGMichael
    23. Posted by MGMichael Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:27 pm EDT

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    I'm sick of the Spurs always crying if they don't get their way! Grow up SA, not every one loves your sewer walk! "GO Lakes." They out played U at your own way!
  24. Ty
    24. Posted by Ty Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:26 pm EDT

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    ...and they wonder why the Spurs flop.
  25. the REAL Headless Chicken
    25. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    Truth is: that's not by the rules...

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