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I'm not going to insult your intelligence by offering a straight comparison between what Shawn Chacon did to his general manager last month, and what Latrell Sprewell did to P.J. Carlesimo 11 and a half years ago.

There are too many differences, too many bits of nuance to chase down and explain, and the particulars in the confrontation are too disparate to try and pass judgment on which incident was worse. There's barely any room for comparison beyond the most simplistic of similarities. 

But the simplest similarity, that of a disgruntled employee attacking his boss in full view of his co-workers, is enough. And I have to wonder, why hasn't the outrage that followed Sprewell's explosion been even approximated by the reaction to Chacon's attack?

There's no point in trying to let time diminish just how disturbing an attack Sprewell put on Carlesimo. Spre went into 1997-98 with a chip on his shoulder, I remember reading a Pete Vecsey column before the season ever started that detailed how Isaiah Rider, a friend of Sprewell's who had played the 1996-97 season under P.J. up in Portland, had filled Latrell's head with stories about how miserable it was to play under Carlesimo. Latrell had entered the season with his mind already made up about his new coach.

With the Warriors losing 11 of their first 12 games, and in the wake of Carlesimo chiding Sprewell and Muggsy Bogues during a practice for half-heartedly going through a passing drill that Sprewell thought beneath him, Latrell decided to choke his coach for 15 seconds until he was pulled away from P.J. by his teammates. After being asked to leave the practice court, Latrell stayed away for 20 minutes before returning to the court and attacking Carlesimo again.

Sprewell was suspended for ten games following the incident, and his contract was voided based on a standard moral turpitude clause. He was traded to the Knicks soon after the 1998-99 NBA labor dispute was settled, and became a cult hero of sorts before flaming out as a member of the Minnesota Timberwolves following the 2004-05 season.

Chacon's story is different.

A somewhat anonymous free agent pickup for the Houston Astros entering this season, the pitcher was struggling through a pretty lousy year as a starter before being demoted to the bullpen last month. Apparently the move didn't do much for the 30 year-old's purported attitude problem, which is why Astros GM Ed Wade wanted to have a meaning with Chacon and manager Cecil Cooper on June 25th.

Chacon refused to deign to a private meeting with the pair, demanding that Wade say whatever it was he had meant to say in full view of Chacon's teammates. What followed is less clear, but words were exchanged, with both Wade and Chacon accusing the other of raising voices, and Wade seemingly setting Chacon off by demanding that he "look in the mirror."

Chacon responded by grabbing the GM by the neck and throwing him to the ground. He then jumped on top of Wade before teammates pulled him off. Chacon was waived the next day. Following the incident, he calmly spoke of having no regrets, instead wishing that Cooper and Wade had just "left me alone."

And that's been about it. No hand-wringing. No breathless cable TV breakdowns. No covers of SI. And it doesn't make sense.

Sure, Chacon is pretty low on the totem pole status-wise. Baseball teams have dozens of players in the clubhouse as opposed to the 15 on an NBA team. Far more people knew who Latrell Sprewell and P.J. Carlesimo were in December of 1997 than who Shawn Chacon and Ed Wade were last month. Spre was the face of the franchise, on billboards all over the Bay Area heading into that season. Chacon was a failed fifth starter. But we also tend to lose grasp on just how anonymous Sprewell was nationally before his attack on Carlesimo.  

Ask anyone who was paying attention back then, Sprewell was the least-heralded of any above-average NBA player from that era. You could possibly compare him to Kevin Martin, but in a semi-enlightened modern world with websites devoted to every team and several top shelf NBA blogs keeping a light on every possible player, it's hard to get across just how borderline-anonymous Sprewell was back then. And I say this well aware that Latrell was coming off an All-Star berth and a 24-point per game season in 1996-97

But the gulf between the Sprewell reaction and the Chacon reaction astounds me. Deep in the heart of football season, Sprewell's first press conference following the attack on Carlesimo was carried live by CNN, and I remember watching it in a room with someone who was convinced that Sprewell - decked out in an expensive sweater but sporting the second set of cornrows the NBA had ever seen (Allen Iverson being the first) - "looked like a thug."

I also saw Chacon's image flickering silently on a TV in a pub two nights after his attack on Wade. Nobody seemed to want to comment on the man's rank on the thuggish scale. Nobody seemed to care. It was almost as if his attack was ... expected.

Maybe that's not the word. "Expected" would be a good description for those who thought Sprewell looked like a thug, as if he represented what they knew the NBA was all about. The reaction to Chacon seems to fly along the "hey, these things are gonna happen"-edge.

(I almost wrote "odd," as a one-word sentence, to finish that last paragraph. It's not odd. I'm used to fans and media making excuses for the other leagues. But it is worth talking about.)

Less hand-wringing is always a good thing, I submit, but even without getting too far into half-baked guesses as to what role race plays in the disconnect between Spre and Shawn, it is worth delving into a comparison between the reactions as a way to detail just how different this country's media deals with the NBA, and the one-time national pastime.

With that said, and you know this, race does play a huge part. Sprewell had cornrows a short time before they hit the mainstream consciousness, he's African-American, and he was playing in an NBA that (before the international explosion began in earnest the following season) probably had its highest percentage of African-American players in the league's history.  

Chacon's biological father is African-American, but he's playing in a league where a guy like Jason Varitek seems more like the media's baseball representative of choice than, say, the media's non-Jordan assumed NBA representative of choice for December of 1997.

For better or worse (well, worse), that's the perception. And there are so many roads to go down detailing the reasons behind why these perceptions should and shouldn't matter, that there's almost no point in delving into it now. It deserves a greater forum, more time, many thousands more words, and a lot more thought.

What we can do, quickly, is compare the leagues. The NBA provides a pathetic fight between the Knicks and Nuggets, with players like Carmelo Anthony back-tracking nearly half a court length after throwing a slap, and it gets treated with natural disaster-type hubris and gravity on ESPN in the days following. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so bloody awful.

A pitcher throws a heater under a guy's chin, both benches erupt and you have an on-field fight with close to 50 participants? Just boys being boys.

I don't take offense at how people react to baseball violence. Again, less hand-wringing and less attempts at stentorian tones are always a good thing. But imagine if, last February, the same thing happened in the NBA ... again?

Imagine if someone like Jamaal Magliore, an afterthought free agent signing with some solid name recognition for the New Jersey Nets the offseason before, had confronted and taken down Nets GM Rod Thorn a few weeks before the NBA All-Star Game? Mags - contributing about as much last year as Chacon did earlier this baseball season - would have been waived within days, but that wouldn't have stopped the full-court press of reaction, and TV talking heads giving us that haughty, outraged act.

You know it would have gone down like that. You know it wouldn't have disappeared in the same way Chacon's attack did. You know it.

Please don't confuse this post as my haughty, outraged act. It's just something worth thinking about. I'm usually loathe to compare sports or pro leagues, especially in lieu of analysis (I can't stand it when, in the midst of a discussion about baseball or basketball, someone will launch into something that starts with, "imagine if Brett Favre were to ..." That stuff never works.), and each individual incident should be treated, well, individually.

But it is worth giving a second or third thought to. Especially the next time you see the dugouts empty.

The sheer amount of misdeeds that pro baseball and pro football players can get away with in comparison to pro basketball players is just ridiculous.

*Or, for that matter, Manny Ramirez'.

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  1. mcwelk
    1. Posted by mcwelk Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:14 pm EDT

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    slow week, eh?
  2. Kyle
    2. Posted by Kyle Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:18 pm EDT

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    I think the fact that Sprewell put his coach's life in significantly more danger than Chacon did has something to do with it, as does the 11 years that have passed since then. I do think the way fights are handled in each sport is a little unfair, but I don't agree with your last sentence. Do you think Pacman Jones and Chris Henry have gotten away with their misdeeds? With Goodell in charge, football has stricter rules on player behavior than the NBA. How many games was Stephen Jackson suspended last year for a gun violation, 3 or 4? That's very little compared to the suspensions handed out in the NFL.
  3. baller13zg
    3. Posted by baller13zg Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:58 pm EDT

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    mcwelk... canadian, just like skeets.
  4. Envigado
    4. Posted by Envigado Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:24 pm EDT

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    Stephen Jackson got six or seven games. Let's see what kind of suspension Marvin Harrison gets.
    It's hard to address this without making some iffy generalizations, but there's one that I'm very comfortable saying- the baseball media (aka ESPN) is a joke. Every face speaking on the it is a total apologist. I know the sport has been going through some tough times, but the media seems to have taken a circle-the-wagons approach to everything. Cheating? Oh it's part of the lore of the game. 'Roids? Who cares, and now that pitchers have been busted too it's all fair.
    The NBA media is by far the most intelligent of the three major American sports. Whenever a basketball story pops up that's big enough to bring everybody else out of the woodwork, get ready to cringe.
  5. Nick
    5. Posted by Nick Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:34 pm EDT

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    2 words: Milton Bradley
  6. Sky P
    6. Posted by Sky P Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:26 pm EDT

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    Look at hockey for crying out loud! Fighting is "part of the game". Are you serious? Really? Beating the crap out of someone is a legit part of a proffessional league?
    Oh the hilarity!
    Everyone knows that whether consiously or not, race still plays a large part in people's perceptions. Especially here in the NW where there is a significant dearth of ethnic diversity. People growing up here don't have significant exposure to other races, so they have to go by what people tell them. When the media tells them that the NBA players are a bunch of thugs, they'll agree. T.V. is always right. right?
    Things won't change for many years, and basically what it boils down to is that the world isn't fair. Things should be better, and people should be more enlightened, but they're not. It's the state of this world.
  7. Sky P
    7. Posted by Sky P Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:26 pm EDT

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    Kyle-
    The NFL just recently started taking its players to task for their various mis-deeds. Adam Jones and Chris Henry are being made examples of, to show that things will be taken seriously from now on. I think it was a good wake-up call to a majority of the league, but I'm going to need to see further evidence of this hardline approach before I consider Goodell's attempts to clean up the league a success.
  8. sergeant1217
    8. Posted by sergeant1217 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:14 pm EDT

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    It is all about the media. They can sensationalize any story they want. Sprewell deserved what he got and more should have been done. That was an aggravated assault and he should have gone to prison. Black or white doesn't matter.
  9. Enrique
    9. Posted by Enrique Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:20 pm EDT

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    America is too baseball friendly. That is what it boils to.
    Look at the nba...in lieu of tim dongahy, many people believe that the nba is rigged.
    But this has happened in all 4 of the major sports, but the nba is the one sports league that is corrupt.
    Nfl...you have spygate, mlb...you have points shaving by its own players, nhl...well, there has been many questionable things here...
    My point is that the media chastises everything that the nba does. Apperently, 80% of nba players have tattoos...thank you loaded stats from the media.
  10. Leff NutZ
    10. Posted by Leff NutZ Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:48 pm EDT

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    Yeah yeah, it's true that they're treated differently. Sadly it comes town to race (like most things). MLB is a white sport "america's Game" And the NBA is just a full of Blacks. Well, u know how it works here in the good ol USof A
  11. Leff NutZ
    11. Posted by Leff NutZ Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:48 pm EDT

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    Yeah yeah, it's true that they're treated differently. Sadly it comes town to race (like most things). MLB is a white sport "america's Game" And the NBA is just a full of Blacks. Well, u know how it works here in the good ol USof A
  12. Muns
    12. Posted by Muns Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:14 pm EDT

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    Leon NutZ,
    Yeah it's a terrible country that gives every person an equal opportunity. Unfortunately some people don't choose to do the right thing. Maybe if people didn't dress like thugs they would be given a better shake. Keep blaming the man for all of your problems.
    The one thing the author of this story neglects to mention is the way we as society look at violence. We see it much more readily every day on TV (compared to 1996). Everything is reported and people become numb when it comes to another story about an athlete messing up.
  13. Tom Brady
    13. Posted by Tom Brady Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:50 pm EDT

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    A lot of these athletes growing up from the street, gang bang, drugs dealer ...etc. Some of them still have that thuggish mentality. They are who they are. Now with fat contract, money roll in, high life, and woman chase them around. I would do the same thing with all those money. I like the NFL and teams policy. You just have to be hard on these guys. Just put heavy fines and these animals.
  14. Odie
    14. Posted by Odie Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:43 pm EDT

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    Can you please tell me what exactly looked "thuggish" about Sprewell. What exactly does a thug look like? Someone black with cornrows in an expensive sweater? I am really confused about the comment.
  15. Adam R
    15. Posted by Adam R Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:58 pm EDT

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    Lets not forget about Manny Ramirez humiliating Jack McCormick in front of his peers by pushing him to the ground for not making his already privledged life easier. How quick was the media to write that off. I guess it was yet another case of "Manny being Manny." As far as I'm concerned, Shawn Chacon, Manny Ramirez, AND Sprewell are pieces of garbage.
  16. pcahill
    16. Posted by pcahill Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:13 pm EDT

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    this year alone, manny ramirez has engaged in a dugout fight with Kevin Youkilis and decked a red sox employee when he couldn't get him 16 tickets to a game in houston for that night. Still most will just laugh this off as "Manny being Manny." no notched points on the thug scale.
  17. Nuclear Douchebag
    17. Posted by Nuclear Douchebag Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    I think you're underestimating the effect of the differences of the two cases: 1) Spree and P.J. were a good deal more famous than Chacon and Wade, 2) with 2 separate choking attempts, people were wondering if Spree was trying to kill P.J. - nobody thinks that about the Chacon incident, and 3) Spree was thought of by the press and public as a guy with a bad attitude before the incident - there were no public perceptions of Chacon before the incident because he's a relative nobody, no matter how bad his attitude was.
  18. mrcraig62
    18. Posted by mrcraig62 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:27 pm EDT

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    Jon C,
    Good comment. thanks for the laugh...lol!!!
    mrcraig62
  19. Chad C
    19. Posted by Chad C Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:32 pm EDT

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    Spree was a top-tier player. Chacon is a fringe major-leaguer. Spree also had a bit more baggage going in... I don't think that's even debatable.
  20. klausey
    20. Posted by klausey Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:57 pm EDT

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    The difference is, this is a guy nobody cares about in a sport/game nobody cares about
    Spree is busy applying for WIC cause he still can't figure out how to support a family on only $8 million per year.
  21. Ciken Mikki
    21. Posted by Ciken Mikki Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    There is a MAJOR difference between Sprewell and Chacon.
    And race has nothing to do with it (well it might being that a WHITE guy was being rude to his employee in BOTH cases)..
    1)Chacon was EATING when interrupted (which is very RUDE). You pay him for when he's on the FIELD but his EATING time is his eating time. Anything Wade had to say, ANYTHING, could have waited a half hour or so UNTIL HE FINISHED EATING.
    2)Chacon warned the guy to stop yelling at him numerous times. Wade did not stop yelling from reports I read.
    ANY person black, white red, yellow, brown would be irritated and upset when interrupted during EATING.
  22. hoopsgswoosh
    22. Posted by hoopsgswoosh Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:20 pm EDT

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    sprewell almost killed his coach, wringing his hands around his neck for 15 SECONDS and attacking him twice, and chacon yelled at his gm and shoved him to the ground... hmmm, i wonder why sprewell is seen as so much more of a thug and is a bigger story than chacon? this is a stupid article, i agree with mcwelk that it must be a slow week in order for this garbage to be a story
  23. Ciken Mikki
    23. Posted by Ciken Mikki Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    Not to mention someone being unreasonable.
    Where does the term 'going postal' come from?
    Post Office workers (WHITE) got angry because of some injustice and released some fire arms.
    ANYONE put in a situation where their boss screams and yells at them, unjustly or unreasonably would react in the same way. Maybe not the very first time it happens, maybe not even the second time it happens. but EVENTUALLY you will explode.
    Everyone has different breaking points and for ANYONE to suggest this is somehow a 'RACIAL' thing is idiotic...
  24. wadeaway
    24. Posted by wadeaway Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    I have to be honest with you, most of you want to make excuses about the era, the status of players, and the difference in notoriety. Basketball really does catch a much harder rep than any of the other sports. I mean when the Red Sox and Rays were getting ready to play last week ESPN built it up by showing all of the clips of the two teams fighting previous to the upcoming series. Like, if you watch there is a chance something could go down so don't miss it. I would find it really sad if they promoted the next Pacers and Pistons game by showing clips of that awful night.
    Please don't say we are more exposed to violence, the only thing we are more exposed to now versus 1996 is people willing to do degrading things to be on reality TV. There were just as many military conflicts, violent TV shows and video games, and strong racial tension.
    If you really want to break it down it all comes down to race, the amount of money a guy is paid, and his status on the team. I still can't believe nothing was done about the Manny incident, but that is Boston being Boston. It's just like the Departed where no one will rat out someone from their hood. None of the writers want to go after Manny with the possible result being suspended and a loss of games in the tight AL East. I think it is about time people started to realize the NBA is one the, if not most, charitable organizations and that athletes in all sports may not know how to deal with emotions. Especially when they are getting drafted younger and thrust into a spotlight and pressure most of us could never understand or handle.
  25. J
    25. Posted by J Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:33 pm EDT

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    We all know there's a differnce and why it exist but that's just how it is and life goes on. Sad but true and nothing will ever change it

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