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The more we talk to Frank Mir, this Brock Lesnar guy is really limited. Mir does make some good points about how green Lesnar is but we also have to consider that the skills the former pro wrestler does have - power and wrestling - are rough to overcome, unless your name is Frank Mir, who did beat Lesnar in his debut back at UFC 85. At least that's what the UFC's interim heavyweight champ is thinking.

Mir told Cagewriter that he's worked himself into a well-rounded fighter over the years. Meanwhile, Lesnar is like most heavyweights, too insecure to really work on his weaknesses especially in the striking game (4:00 mark):

"They fall back on their natural attributes physically. I guarantee Brock's fallen into the same habits. His fighting style is an extension of his strength and power. I understand there's a mindset in fighting for what your tools are, but at the same time that kind of puts you in a pigeon hole."

It's all part of the mental weakness that exist with most heavyweights (1:45 mark):

"They stay within their comfort zone. If a guy wrestled in college, typically you'll watch his training sessions, and it'll look like a college wrestling practice. So they're not looking to use their striking to win fights. It's a real quick 1-2, just to get me by. Striking is a phenomenal way to win fights. I'm light years ahead of most guys in the heavyweight division."

The discussion revolved around former elite heavyweights Andrei Arlovski and Tim Sylvia. Mir said Arlovski makes too many simple mistakes and Sylvia has always had awful footwork.   

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  1. tHa ElitE
    1. Posted by tHa ElitE Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:17 pm EDT

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    Yeah, yeah will see who is who at UFC 100..!!!!
  2. suploy
    2. Posted by suploy Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    Mir didn't look light years ahead of this green giant last time when it came to striking. Brock even caught his slow kick and took him down. Mir better just flip on his back and hope Brock puts his leg right in to his arms. Brock will pound Mir silly and win a one sided beating.
  3. Matt M
    3. Posted by Matt M Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:53 pm EDT

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    Mir's striking was limited in their first fight. And he isn't going to just stand infront of Brock this time. he fact is, just as Brock has a serious advantage in wrestling, Mir has a serious advantage in striking, and that advantage in striking could be even greater since his fight with Nog.
  4. stones
    4. Posted by stones Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:04 pm EDT

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    and Brock's ground advantage might not be that great of an advantage. Remember, Mir's BJJ is very good...
  5. Matt M
    5. Posted by Matt M Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:10 pm EDT

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    True, and Mir's BJJ is great. Not on the level of say the Noguiera brothers or the Gracies, but nonetheless, still great.
  6. Rob R
    6. Posted by Rob R Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:32 pm EDT

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    "...Frank Mir, who did beat Lesnar in his debut back at UFC 85."
    UFC 85?! Jesus, Cofield...
    If you didn't do so well in your wagering picks, I'd swear you knew nothing about this sport.
  7. christian s
    7. Posted by christian s Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:33 pm EDT

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    Mir beat Brock at UFC 81. UFC 85 as posted above was Thiago Alves vs. Matt Hughes in England.
  8. mmafan
    8. Posted by mmafan Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:41 pm EDT

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    Mir's striking did look better against big nog,but he may be stretching things a bit by saying he's "light years" ahead of everyone else. He got the short end of the stick in the striking department the last time they fought....and even admitted to being close to losing due to Brocks ground and pound. It would be a huge mistake for Mir to underestimate Brocks cardio or striking capabilities....I don't see a big advantage for either fighter-Mir's technique vs. Brock's power and speed. I believe #5 is correct-the wrestling/bjj thing may equal each other out and it will be a matter of who makes the first mistake. One thing for sure-it will be fun to watch.
  9. stones
    9. Posted by stones Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:52 pm EDT

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    yea he isnt on Noguiera's level, but i think his bjj is good enough to neutralize Lesnar's wrestling though. im just saying i think he has more of an advantage standing up the Lesnar does on the ground, if Lesnar even has the advantage on the ground.
  10. Matt M
    10. Posted by Matt M Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:07 pm EDT

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    stones - I agree with yo. Mir has the advantage on the feet. And its partly because of Lesnar himself. Those muscles of his requires a lot of oxygen, and he is going to get tired if he tries strike with Mir. He doesn't appear to have any footwork, and he does not have the flexibility I think to throw a good head kick, or even a good body kick. His size limits him when it comes to striking it seems.
  11. JoePiervincenti
    11. Posted by JoePiervincenti Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:58 pm EDT

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    Steve, his debut was UFC 81, not UFC 85 :)
  12. jim
    12. Posted by jim Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:09 pm EDT

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    the more mir talks, the more he sounds like a complete jacka$$
  13. stones
    13. Posted by stones Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:39 pm EDT

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    He does sound like a jacka$$, but he speaks the truth. Matt - i think so too. Lesnar's biggest enemy is himself he needs to cut some of that muscle mass. i might be mistaked but i believe he has a 84 inch reach, i know its longer than tim sylvia's which is crazy. If he were to cut some of the muscle and develop into a striker that would be scarry. Until then, if Couture was able to hold his own against him on the ground being out weighed by that much, i cant really see him as that big of a threat to a well rounded fighter.
  14. AvEnGeRx
    14. Posted by AvEnGeRx Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:58 pm EDT

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    Cut muscle mass? Brock is not about to do that when he did that to make the 265 pound limit already from his WWE days where he was in the 300 range. Mir is nice and over confident just ripe for a pounding.
  15. Dubya b
    15. Posted by Dubya b Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:39 pm EDT

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    Mir by TKO or sub. Lesnar tired out from Courture who took him down rather easily. LOL!!!
  16. Ted K
    16. Posted by Ted K Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:51 pm EDT

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    man, mir is SUCH a windbag.
  17. Para d
    17. Posted by Para d Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:44 am EDT

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    Ha... yea Mir..you try to out cardio Lesnar... good luck with that.
    Has he ever even watched a collegiate wrestling match? Mir will gas at least 2 rounds before Lesnar even slows down. Although I doubt this makes it out of the 2nd so it wont matter.
  18. Eric
    18. Posted by Eric Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:36 am EDT

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    All I can say its obvious how liitle many of you know about wrestling, training and well most everything else. Ok sorry that sounds insulting, but sometimes some of the comments are hard to read. Brock has already cut a ton of mass, he weighed well over 300 before he started fighting. He is not nearly as big as he once was. Also, I promise you that Mir is not training anywhere near the level Brock does. I wrestled with Brock and still see him fairly regular. Here is where some I think have it right. 1. Brock can go toe to toe stricking whith Mir, thats already been proven. 2. Mir is excellent at BJJ and is where he needs to excel if he is to win this fight.
  19. Matt M
    19. Posted by Matt M Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:21 am EDT

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    Eric B - Mir is not going as hard at the strength and cardio as Lesnar is. I think thats a give. But I don't think Lesnar has the same level of training Mir has in striking, and certainly not in submissions.
    Remembe, when Brock fought Mir, Mir had little in the way of striking. So ofcourse he could toe to toe with him. But not now. Mir is a far better striker than Brock is. Brock's size is always going to limit him as a striker.
  20. juanc
    20. Posted by juanc Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:29 pm EDT

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    yeah lesner's got wrestling, he has power, but speed? hey he's fast for a man that big, the guy is an athlete, but mere is a way better rounded fighter, bjj should neutralize the wrestling and probably defeat lesner, unless once on the floor lesner's power becomes overwhelming, at the stand up game Mir all the way, he is quicker on his feet, i also don't think he'll make the same mistakes as last time and get lazy with his kicks, if he throws them hard and fast he should be able to cut the giant down, his fists should also be superior in speed but definitely not power, one glancing blow from Lesner can end the fight, the key for Mir to win-fast hard kicks to lesner's legs, inmobalize him, then take him down and be relentless with the bjj, the big man should succumb. The key for Lesner-power,wrestling, do not try to strike or go toe-to-toe with Mir, yea he has the knockout power, but he lacks the hand speed and mobility to be effective at delivering that ko power, from a boxing and kicking point of view. This should be an awesome fight, what a treat!
  21. mike5o
    21. Posted by mike5o Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:26 am EDT

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    Hey nut. I can't help myself but...your "kernels" of truth are in your "blogs". But seriously, as much as I hate to admit it in public, I agree with you about Mir-Lesnar. And most educated people here know that MMA fighters in general, with maybe a few exceptions, could benefit from better standup. There are also quite a few who know the difference between "good stand-up" as it pertains to MMA, and boxing. I guess I'm starting to realize that you don't take yourself too serious. (DO You?) Believe me, you are nothing if not mildly entertaining.
  22. dame
    22. Posted by dame Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:33 pm EDT

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    Tim Silva proved in his oh so long fight with Ray Merser that MMA striking has long way to go, to be compared to boxing in terms skill and power. Having said that I would much rather see an MMA fight than a boxing match, but lets be honest, Tim was considerer a "good striker" and he got rocked and quick. Most of these fighters abilities are overrated when you take them one at a time, but when you add them together (ground game, stand up, and BJJ) that is where the you get to see how great these guys are.
    Mir is lazy, all ways has been, as he relies on his natural talent to get him though. If he comes to the fight in shape and his head in order to fight, he is the more well rounded fighter. His BJJ is up there with the best and he is the best (currently) in the heavyweight class. His striking is ok, nothing special, not bad, but nothing to get all giddy about. What Mir has to worry about is that he beat a guy that had no experience before and he was getting manhandled before the submission. I doubt that the fight will go Mir's way if he treats this fight the same way.
    Bringing up the Randy Courture fight with regards to this fight, is like comparing apples to cars. Randy is always is shape, so he pushed Brock to deal with the experience and will of Randy. But in the end the power (some say luck or dirty punch) won the fight. Lensar has enough size and speed to win this fight , and Mir's history tells me that if he can't submit him in the first two rounds, that Mir will gas and get manhandled by a guy who may have starting to gas a bit when he won against Randy Courture, but come on that is like saying well he ran from New York to Las vegas, but he was tired when he got there....Lesnar fought Randy
    If Mir shows up hungry and in shape he has the edge in all the fighting skills (except wrestling), however Lesnar holds the wildcard of being physically gifted and in shape.
  23. sdickinson001
    23. Posted by sdickinson001 Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:25 pm EDT

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    I hope Mir beats lesnar. Lesnar has 4 fights and the belt, while Diego Sanchez is 23-2 beat up everyone, and still no title shot. I think the 155 is the most stacked division, and most exciting. Brock will get beat by the more tactical fighter Mir.
  24. laguna
    24. Posted by laguna Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:17 pm EDT

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    Brock will win easy!.....Mir thinks hes god all of a sudden..Get over yourself Mir your not that good...The best thing for Mir to do is shut up...Mir is over rated.....
  25. Matt M
    25. Posted by Matt M Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:37 pm EDT

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    Iaguna - A fighter who is has black belt level BJJ, and a better striker than most in the heavyweight division (that includes Brock) is most certainly good, and more than just good in fact. Granted, he showed off his new striking skills against a sick, injured, past his prime Nog, it still doesn't change the fact that he is very good. And if he comes in shape, Brock's in serious trouble.

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