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Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:53 pm EDT

Spin Doctors: Jay Cutler vs. Kyle Orton

For years, we've been debating the merits of Chicago and Denver quarterbacks: Wade vs. Tripuka, Avellini vs. Morton, Elway vs. Kramer. Today, in our first Spin Doctors of the year, we consider Jay Cutler(notes) and Kyle Orton(notes). 

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The artist formerly known as Obi One-Eight has a new number, cleaner look and friendlier fantasy environment.

Before wrenching his ankle against the Lions in Week 8, the former hard-partying Bear was on pace to post one of '08's most unexpected performances. Originally considered wire waste, Orton became a multi-week wonder. From Weeks 3-7 he was the top-ranked QB in fantasy averaging 274 passing yards and two touchdowns per game. However, after the injury, his numbers dropped off dramatically.

Now under the tutelage of prepubescent wunderkind Josh McDaniels, who oversaw a high-powered Patriots offense that produced Tom Brady's(notes) historic '07 campaign and Matt Cassel's(notes) '08 emergence, Orton will take his mediocre attributes to a more potent level. He doesn't possess Cutler's arm strength or mobility, but his fairly accurate arm should thrive in a system predicated on several short posts and slants, similar to the scheme he commanded at Purdue.

Most encouragingly, Orton, unlike Cutler, has dependable weapons around him. Brandon Marshall(notes), Eddie Royal(notes), Tony Scheffler(notes) and tacky-handed rookie Knowshon Moreno(notes) are far superior in terms of talent and skills than Chicago's ragtag receiving corps (sans Matt Forte(notes)). Overlooked but equally influential, Denver's expected defensive inadequacies will also bolster his chances to score.

The Broncos O-line will have to adequately protect the sloth-like Orton and he'll have to fend off Chris Simms(notes) in training camp, but the weapons and system around him could lead to shocking fantasy results. Compared to Cutler's inflated cost (ADP: 72.57), his bargain basement price (121.55) also makes him a friggin' steal.

Fearless Forecast: 59.7 CMP%, 221.2 YPG, 23 TDs, 15 INTs

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Let's begin by stating the obvious: Cutler is superior to Orton in every meaningful quarterbacking skill. These include, but are not limited to, arm strength, accuracy, mobility, touch, field vision and pocket awareness. If you deconstruct the position and examine all the traits you're looking for in a QB, you'd have a tough time arguing that Orton is comparable to Cutler, anywhere. These two aren't close in terms of passer-rating, completion-percentage or yards-per-attempt.

Thus it's not really a surprise that Orton is battling Chris Simms for the Denver starting job. In terms of talent, he's much closer to Simms than to Cutler.

Don’t try telling me that Orton surprised fantasy owners in 2008, either. He didn't have a big game that we didn't see coming. We told you to add him before his useful three-game stretch in Weeks 5-7, then we told you to shop him in Week 8. He was always a match-up play.

The only reason we're having this discussion is because…well, it's a gimmick -- ex-Bear versus current Bear -- and Denver's wide receivers are clearly better than Chicago's. It's not reasonable to prefer Orton based on anything else. But if you're just looking at the receivers, then you're not considering the entire passing game. Matt Forte had 63 catches last year while Greg Olsen(notes) and Desmond Clark(notes) combined for 95. And when Devin Hester(notes) possesses the football, he's among the most dangerous men in the NFL. He'll finally have a chance to work with an elite passer. Chicago massively upgraded its O-line, too.

Let's put this thing to a vote:

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Which QB will have the better season?

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  1. a-mak15
    1. Posted by a-mak15 Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:18 pm EDT

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    Cutler.
  2. Stormin Norman
    2. Posted by Stormin Norman Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:29 pm EDT

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    This article is a gimmick, duh.
  3. Luke G
    3. Posted by Luke G Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:30 pm EDT

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    First to say first
  4. a-mak15
    4. Posted by a-mak15 Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:33 pm EDT

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    If you're playing in a 10- or 12-team league, based on the quarterback rankings, it can be argued that Orton doesn't even make the cut.
    (As a reserve, perhaps. Deeper and 2-QB leagues are a different story, of course.)
  5. Anrkist
    5. Posted by Anrkist Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:55 pm EDT

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    But I don't want to vote for the cry baby.
  6. shawn h
    6. Posted by shawn h Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:02 pm EDT

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    Funny story about Orton, I bartended at a bar at Purdue while Orton was playing, One night in strolls Orton along with two of his linemen and the three girls that represented Purdue in the girls of the Big ten playboy issue that year. This Bar was just of campus so it was quiet and it had 30 drafts and about 60 - 70 different bottled beers. What does Orton order? a Sangria, not only did he order a Sangria he drank it Pinkie out. So in my book that means I go with Cutler, no NFL QB should ever drink Sangria let alone with his pinkie out. Although he did have three girls that just posed in playboy with him...
  7. moookie4me
    7. Posted by moookie4me Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:03 pm EDT

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    Tommy Hanson to be promoted to the majors... Nate McLouth traded to the Braves... obviously, it's time to blog about: football!?!
    Blame it on the west coast.
  8. Blake H
    8. Posted by Blake H Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:07 pm EDT

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    Cutler is better, but not by 50 picks in ADP and Orton is *BY FAR* the better value. Cutler will out perform Orton, but not by a ton, just by a marginal amount.
  9. Jonathan
    9. Posted by Jonathan Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:16 pm EDT

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    obi-one-eight? wtf evans...
  10. matt
    10. Posted by matt Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:16 pm EDT

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    i think orton will be better than everyone thinks, but cutler is more explosive. I see hester, forte, clark, and that kid from miami catching a lot of balls this year
  11. Prime Time
    11. Posted by Prime Time Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:38 pm EDT

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    It's all about Earl Bennett. Sleeper pick of the year. Vanderbilt connection that's whats up.
  12. GuitarMark
    12. Posted by GuitarMark Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:49 pm EDT

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    #7, happens every season. As soon as they open football, they forget all about us baseball zealots. They also told us to quit whining when baseball wasn't open barely a month before opening day, and here's football, open 3 months before opening day.
  13. GuitarMark
    13. Posted by GuitarMark Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:56 pm EDT

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    BTW, thanks for sleeping on the Hanson call-up, Mclouth trade and McCutcheon call-up, yahoo. Actually found Hanson and McCutcheon available in a keeper league!
  14. million_dollar_sleeper
    14. Posted by million_dollar_sleeper Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:20 pm EDT

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    tough to compare two players with such a large gap in ADP
    when do the blog league invites go out?
  15. titan126126
    15. Posted by titan126126 Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:27 pm EDT

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    Come on guys, it's the first week of June. Lots of fantasy-relevant baseball events happened today, and you're blogging about Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler?
  16. Anrkist
    16. Posted by Anrkist Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:30 pm EDT

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    Just follow the Yahoo! MLB Feed. It broke the news an hour ago. If you're following this blog for late breaking moments, you may want to try another strategy.
  17. jogabonito47
    17. Posted by jogabonito47 Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:35 pm EDT

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    hey GuitarMark i want to play in your keeper league hanson and mccutchen both available maybe you should join my league. luckily i have mccutchen on one of my teams he is going to be great very soon.
  18. Xobai
    18. Posted by Xobai Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:39 pm EDT

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    GuitarMark, your whining still sucks, but not as bad as this comparison. Neither of these two is on my radar this year. Cutler has the arm but not the receivers, Orton has the receivers but not the arm. Unless I can catch them unusually late, I'll be giving them both amiss.
  19. JB
    19. Posted by JB Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:52 pm EDT

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    I pretty much just voted on who had the best picture.
    Brandon Marshall is so much better then anything the Bears have as far as QB enhancing ability. Orton could have a great year if he can get the starting job. With that said, Moreno could be a great pick, cause McDaniels may just start running the ball more to protect his crummy QB.
    In the next few years the Bears will collect some more weapons (Devin Hester ain't done nothin as a WR) and then Cutler will be a superstar.
  20. Trigga Play
    20. Posted by Trigga Play Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:19 am EDT

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    I'm with Xobai on this one. Neither are on my radar, but I expect Cutler to outperform his current ADP. And people will know that part of the badness of the Chicago receiver core is due to its terrible quarterbacks previously.
  21. BIG Tuna
    21. Posted by BIG Tuna Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:51 am EDT

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    ANDY!
    Change your pic man, it looks like you are eating a turd!
  22. Aqua Cadet
    22. Posted by Aqua Cadet Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:16 am EDT

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    Why does the picture of Obi make him look like the Beardfather?
  23. jeremy s
    23. Posted by jeremy s Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:32 am EDT

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    Great QB's produce great WR's.
    Cutler Orton
  24. jeremy s
    24. Posted by jeremy s Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:33 am EDT

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    Great QB's produce great WR's.
    Cutler is better than Orton and will make the Bears an offensive Juggernaut.
  25. koko
    25. Posted by koko Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:37 am EDT

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    I think that Orton and Cutler will each gravitate toward the mean. Cutler's #'s will slightly decrease, Orton's wil slightly increase. The best way to take advantage of this trade is to pick up Denver TE's and # 2 WR, and conversely Cutler's threat (and improved O Line) will open up lanes for Matt Forte, and Earl Bennett may be worth a late round flyer

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