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    Gregg Williams’ bounty history should result in a lifetime ban

    If Roger Goodell is for real, Gregg Williams has no place in the NFL. (AP)

    The vile practice of paying players to knock other players out of games, known as a "bounty system" to most and referred to as "pay for performance" by longtime defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, was thrown into the spotlight on Friday, when the NFL released a 50,000-page report indicating that with Williams as their defensive coordinator, the New Orleans Saints participated in a system that paid players cash bonuses for hits that knocked opposing players -- most notably marquee quarterbacks like Brett Favre and Kurt Warner -- from games.

    [ Cole: Price for Saints' bounty program should be heavy ]

    When the report came out, Williams -- now the St. Louis Rams' defensive coordinator -- tried to engage in damage control with this statement:

    "I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, [Saints owner Tom] Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the 'pay for performance' program while I was with the Saints. It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role. I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again."

    Problem is, this wasn't something that first occurred to Williams in New Orleans. According to a report by the Washington Post, Williams had something very similar rigged up when he was the Washington Redskins' defensive coordinator from 2004 through 2007.

    Three of the players described a coach who doled out thousands of dollars to Redskins defenders who measured up to Williams' scoring system for rugged play, including "kill shots" that knocked opposing teams' stars out of a game.

    "You got compensated more for a kill shot than you did other hits," said one former player, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Players said compensation ranged from "hundreds to thousands of dollars," with the biggest sum any player received believed to be about $8,000.

    "I never took it for anything [but] just incentive to make good, hard plays," said a current player, who requested anonymity. "But I'm pretty sure it did entice some guys to do more to a player than normal when it came to taking them out. I mean, that's cash. Let's just be honest about it.["]

    Defensive end Phillip Daniels was the only player willing to go on the record, according to the Post's Mark Maske. Daniels, who currently serves as the Redskins' director of player development, defended Williams' practices.

    "I think it is wrong the way they're trying to paint [Williams]," Daniels added. "He never told us to go out there and break a guy's neck or break a guy's leg. It was all in the context of a good, hard football."

    One anonymous player recalled Williams saying that "If you cut the snake's head off, the body will die."

    "It was made clear that he was talking about not just running backs who turned their heads the opposite way and how they would go down, but also about other stars on offense that were the best players on that team," the player told Maske.

    [ Related: Offensive, defensive players view bounties differently ]

    In the wake of the allegations against the Saints, and these subsequent revelations, two questions must be asked: First, what is to be done with Williams? Those naive enough to believe that he's the only one implementing such a system in the modern NFL would tend to side with the notion that Williams should be banned from the NFL for life, and that there is no place for such things in football.

    Second: What is to be done about the "bounty" practice? Those who know the history of the NFL understand that these bounties go back decades. Former Philadelphia Eagles head coach Buddy Ryan was famous for it, and Williams now works for Rams head coach Jeff Fisher, who played and coached under Ryan. If Fisher fires Williams, can he do so with a straight face and without a hint of hypocrisy?

    When the SpyGate scandal broke in 2007, ex-coach and current Fox Sports analyst Jimmy Johnson was asked about the practice that cost Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots a first-round draft pick and a total of $750,000 in fines. Johnson's response was clear, and precisely what the NFL didn't want anyone to say -- that if anyone thought that the Patriots were the only ones doing this, they must be nuts.

    The bounty system is a long-held idea that has managed to escape public notice for a number of years. If Roger Goodell is as serious about player safety as he says he is, his next act must be to take Williams' punishment out of the hands of the men he works with and has known for decades. He must take this in hand and say to the world that, indeed, a new and very serious sheriff is in town.

    Goodell's next act must be to realize that Williams' apology is completely hollow, that his repugnant modus operandi will remain under other names and guises unless it is killed forever, and that removing Williams from the game on a lifetime basis is the best way to start.

    Gregg Williams said it best: If you cut the snake's head off, the body will die.

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    87 comments

    • Craig  •  1 month 16 days ago
      yes i agree he must get ban lifetime
    • JohnK  •  2 months ago
      Do you know what they call a bounty system in the real world? Conspiracy to commit assault.
      • TerryH 2 months ago
        doh..... the whole theory of football is conspiracy to commit assault....it's not like they are playing dominos
      • dillon w 2 months ago
        So every time a player makes an intentional hard hit, it's considered assault? I'm not trying to say that one should intentionally injure someone, but when I played, I wanted to let whoever I was covering know that I'm coming in hot and giving it my full effort to hit. And I was encouraged by my coaches to do so. It's football, hitting hard is FUN
      • Paul 2 months ago
        I believe that you mean battery, but I get your point. There is premeditated physical contact in every NFL game but it doesn't constitute the elements of battery unless there is intent to commit injury to another. This sort of ugly business has been going on for years. What makes this incident particularly egregious is that there was a "pay for performance" system to pay players to injure other players. That is unacceptable at all levels!
    • Gunning for 3rd  •  2 months ago
      Let's stop with the "everyone does it" rationalization. Even if that is true (which I don't think it is), wrong is wrong, and this is wrong. This is worse than Spygate, and the punishment needs to be worse. Yes, Belichek and the Patriots cheated, but they were not engaged in deliberate attempts to hurt other players.

      If I were Goddell, I'd ban 1) Williams for life; 2) fine the Saints at least $500k, 3) fine Sean Payton at least $250k and 4) take away at least 2 first-round draft picks.

      If I were Tom Benson (Saints owner), I'd fire Payton (and his entire staff) and cut any defensive player still on the roster who participated in this. Of course it won't happen because the resulting decline in the Saints' record would matter more to fans than the fact that their team had a bounty system to hurt other players. That might be the worst indictment of all.
      • DUBZ 2 months ago
        You are a complete Dumbass, A: This would almost esult in the same thing as the "Death Penalty" for college football which was done away with because it literally kills a program. To fire an entire coaching staff is one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard of. B: The Saints have no first round draft picks this year due to some trades from last year (Do your research before you try to act like you know a little bit about the NFL besides what you googled right quick before posting this) and to cut any defensive player who participated would be to cut right at two entire defensive units (Including all packages) and would result in, yet again, death of the program. Every team in the NFL does this, they really do and the players are getting paid to take down the person with the ball, this just motivates them to do it with a more fierce attitude which leads to bigger hits and more exciting plays. We could have em just switch to flag football so all you haters could watch a bunch of dudes safely play a soft sport, but noone wants to watch that crap.
      • realityking 2 months ago
        So, DUBZ, if they take away two first round draft picks and the Saints Don't have any THIS year then...

        I agree that cutting the players is too much, though. Maybe suspending them from the playoffs or for several games.

        As for Gunning for 3rds Opening sentence, I have to agree. You can't ignore a law was broken when you get caught because everyone does it. If it were a good idea you'd have no DUIs.
    • Thomas M  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  2 months ago
      It's a violent and dangerous game. But yeah...there are limits.
      When you are going out there with the objective of deliberately injuring another player, then you are not playing football anymore.
      You are committing a Felony Assault. If your boss encourages you to do it, he is guilty of conspiracy.
      So I don't believe "Sorry" will cut it.
      Time to make an example out of some of these criminally insane morons.
      This jacka** should be banned for life, and brought up on charges.
    • T Lo  •  Fort Worth, Texas  •  2 months ago
      How about fine teams and stadium management for the cost of a beer at games. Geez
    • Java  •  2 months ago
      If the ultimate concern here is player safety, where were the refs during all these bad hits? Maybe they should be banned for life as well.
    • jazzbooksfood  •  Santa Clara, California  •  2 months ago
      Doug Farrar tells us that those naive enough to believe Williams was the only coach with such a system would lean towards a lifetime ban. Farrar then explicitly advocates a lifetime ban, after freely acknowledging that Williams isn't the only one doing it. Forgive me for being a bit confused.

      I disagree with a lifetime ban, precisely because he's not the only one doing it. I do, however, believe that the Saints should, & will be, burned badly, simply because it's come out that their bounty system was running with the knowledge of their GM, Mickey Loomis, whom owner Tom Benson had ordered not to allow such a system. That was reported by Jason Cole in his article. I think New Orleans is going to get burned at least as badly as the Patriots were, & possibly even worse.

      As for Gregg Williams, I think that a suspension for at least 6 games this upcoming season is warranted, along with a very large fine. Not a lifetime ban, but a significant penalty nonetheless. Goodell simply has to act, & harshly.
    • Coach Isiah Thompson  •  2 months ago
      When a defender goes head hunting like that against a prone athlete, it can be very dangerous because in the head is the brain.
      • ahb 2 months ago
        thanks champ
      • ahb 2 months ago
        i forgot where my brain is
      • KC 2 months ago
        Sheeesh. some people shouldn't be allowed to type on a computer.
    • NE Philly  •  2 months ago
      First of all, aren't defensive players already paid to knock people out (legally, no cheap shots), isn't the game violent enough without having to add extra motivation?
      • Thanatos 2 months ago
        No, they're paid to tackle the person with the football.
      • thanos 2 months ago
        They are paid to tackle, but anyone who's ever played at any level knows that defensive players love to lay the lumber.
      • Stealthfighter 2 months ago
        yes, yes I did. destroyed foundations like the BIG DOG.
    • Rick J  •  Waukesha, Wisconsin  •  2 months ago
      There isnt a single team in the NFL that doesn't target star players. It just comes down to whether the hit was legal or not
    • Peter  •  Los Angeles, California  •  2 months ago
      I remember talk of bounties back to the days when Buddy Ryan was coaching the Eagles, and I'm sure this has existed for decades. You can blame the coach but I find it hard to believe the payouts were coming out of his pocket. The ownership must have been paying these bounties and therefor should take an equal blame.
    • Billy M  •  2 months ago
      Up until the early to mid 60's there were many NFL defensive players that were paid per game, per tackle, etc. All this is, is an extension of that method of pay. Could now be more or less, say a cash incentive...
    • Johnny N.  •  St Louis, Missouri  •  2 months ago
      DOUGIE WHAT ABOUT THE STEELERS PLAYER, WHO HAS BEEN FINED, DO YOU THINK HE IS PART OF THIS ALSO, ALL TEAMS GET INVOLVED, GET A REAL JOB.
      johnnny n
    • IONTOP  •  Winston-Salem, North Carolina  •  2 months ago
      All I know is that Sean Taylor probably made more money off this than all the other players combined, with hits that were legal then but would be considered illegal now. I wonder if GW gave him any cash for the monster hit at the Pro Bowl in Feb '07
      • John 2 months ago
        on a PUNTER, no less.
    • WhoDatSwimmer  •  2 months ago
      thats how it is in football. whether it is even spoken or not within a teams own locker room, there will be extra attention paid to the better players. both in coverage and in tackling. while this is not "right" to some people, it is human nature to play differently to different skill levels. in the same way that you double a teams best defensive lineman or bump their fastest receiver harder, you handle some players differently and when a player is basically paid to win, it is very easy to do what is needed to win. basically, this will still happen with or without the bounty system
    • ChrisChase Sux  •  Jinan, China  •  2 months ago
      I agree with William, the defense is paid to make tackles and hit people hard. Intentionally tackling someone dirty is a different story. Was Farvre or Warner taken out by an illegal hit (I don't remember)? The whole idea of having a hard hitting safety roaming the defensive backfield is to make receivers nervous and look over their shoulders trying to figure out where the hit is coming from. I'm not sure exactly what the big deal is here. Anybody who plays dirty should be fined and or banned from the game. Everything else is just football.
    • Saintdg  •  2 months ago
      Get off your high horse! Ban them for life? Why because the players and coaches used money as motivation for making big plays and playing hard football. Why can't the defense hit them hard? That is the how the game is played. In this day and age if a defensive player even breathes wrong near a QB they will be fined. Name me one player on the Saints in the last three years that was fined or suspended for an illegal hit. Warner, Farve? they were hit with clean shots and now because their was extra incentive for the defense they did something wrong? Listen to all the current and former players saying that this is common practice. Most people are missing the fact that the players paid each other for fumbles, sacks and int's. But everyone wants to talk about trying to injure the other players but it just did not happen.
    • Paul  •  Memphis, Tennessee  •  2 months ago
      There is premeditated physical contact in every NFL game but it doesn't constitute the elements of battery unless there is intent to commit injury to another. This sort of ugly business has been going on for years. What makes this incident particularly egregious is that there was a "pay for performance" system to pay players to injure other players. That is unacceptable at all levels!
    • francisco  •  Jacksonville, Florida  •  2 months ago
      I agree that the punishment should be severe, but a lifetime ban? The guys that hit the hardest, cause turnovers, put big hits on quarterbacks will allways be compensated more in this league. they'll just have to wait for the next contract.
    • PAUL  •  Buffalo, New York  •  2 months ago
      Make an example out of him and it will not happen again!!! Ban Williams, Punish Payton. and take 2 first round picks. It's time to set the example and take back control!!!

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