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Are No. 21 Cougars too dependent on the 3-point shot in rough-and-tumble Big 12?

BYU forward Noah Waterman shoots during a game against No. 4 Houston at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68.
BYU forward Noah Waterman shoots during a game against No. 4 Houston at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News

Legendary pro and college basketball coach Kelvin Sampson has seen just about everything from the sidelines, but what he witnessed Tuesday during No. 4 Houston’s 75-68 win over No. 21 BYU had the 44-year veteran coach more than slightly amused.

“BYU is unique. We have not (seen a team like them) and may not, unless we play them again in the Big 12 tournament,” Sampson said after the blue Cougars fired up 38 triples in front of 16,553 fans at the Marriott Center. “I mean, they are just different than everybody you play, because of the 3-point line.”

“BYU is unique. We have not (seen a team like them) and may not, unless we play them again in the Big 12 tournament . I mean, they are just different than everybody you play, because of the 3-point line.” — Houston coach Kelvin Sampson

It is no secret that BYU lives and dies with the 3-point shot — coach Mark Pope said before the season even started that triples would be used frequently to offset a perceived talent gap in the Big 12. But what occurred in BYU’s fourth Big 12 loss, and second league loss at home, was almost beyond the pale.

It is one thing to take 3-pointers when you are relatively open and close to the arc. It is another to fire them from 6 feet beyond the line, which is what BYU resorted to early and often against one of the country’s best defensive teams.

BYU ended up making only 11 3-pointers (28.9%), which is one of several reasons why the Cougars (2-4, 14-5) fell short in their bid to pull off a mild upset. Houston, No. 1 in the NET rankings and Kenpom.com, was a 3-point favorite.

Two of BYU’s tallest players, 6-foot-10 Noah Waterman and 6-11 Aly Khalifa, combined to go 6 of 10 from beyond the arc. But the guys believed to be BYU’s top shooters — Spencer Johnson, Dallin Hall, Jaxson Robinson, Trevin Knell and Richie Saunders — combined to go 5 of 29.

Still, the Cougars were right there at the end. Knell and Saunders missed open 3-pointers with less than a minute remaining.

“Waterman, I don’t think he took an easy 3 all night. I mean, he was flying into those things,” Sampson said. “As soon as he caught it, it was out. I mean, those are tough shots. Khalifa banked one in in the first half. Robinson nailed one from 40 feet with 20 (seconds) on the shot clock. I mean, those shots … are Hail Mary (shots).”

Yes, Robinson did hit one from beyond NBA 3-point range. But he also put up several from really deep that didn’t come close when Houston was building its 59-46 lead midway through the second half.

“Yeah, it is a really nuanced conversation for us. I mean, we got up 38 (treys) and that is important for us,” Pope said when asked if there were too many deep, contested 3s. “And we are going to cross the line sometimes into getting super belligerent. We just are. And we did tonight. And that hurt us.”

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Pope said there were five or six possessions when the Cougars should have been more patient and tested Houston’s defense a bit more.

“But those conversations are super complicated with a locker room full of guys that are desperately trying to do exactly what we need to do to win,” he said. “Because a lot of times guys end up swinging too wide. And we can’t swing too wide. So that’s going to be a work in progress all season. And we are going to push up against the line a lot this season and hopefully we will weave our way into a little bit better production.”

When the Cougars did go inside the arc, results were positive. They were 14 of 21 on 2-point tries (66.7%) and the 68 points they scored tied TCU for the most Houston has given up all season.

“We were willing to give away some 2s on switches versus those guys nailing some 3s,” Sampson said.

Junior post Fousseyni Traore made two of those field goals, and was 3 of 4 from the free-throw line, after sitting out the first 30 minutes of the game. However, like Knell and Saunders, Traore missed an open shot in the paint with 1:18 remaining that would have given BYU the lead.

Surprise stat: BYU outscored Houston 28-22 in the paint. Another surprise: Houston was averaging fewer than eight 3-pointers per game, but made 10 of 23.

Why didn’t Traore see action earlier in the game?

“I am trying to learn. Rare has the occasion been where I have had all three bigs available. We are still in the process of figuring out who works where and when,” Pope said. “… I probably should have figured him out a little bit earlier in this game. But we are all learning. We are learning kinda how we fit and where we are and what we do.”

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BYU held steady at No. 5 in the NET rankings, despite the loss, and are No. 10 in Kenpom.com. How good is the Big 12? BYU was No. 4 in Kenpom.com when Big 12 play began and has dropped only six spots despite going 2-4 in those games.

Texas (3-3, 14-5) visits BYU on Saturday at noon in a game the Cougars simply have to have if they hope to stay in the national rankings and get back on course.

“The margin for error is pretty slim,” Pope said. “We just didn’t quite capitalize. But I got a ton of confidence that we will.”

BYU guard Dallin Hall (30) goes under the hoop with Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) defending him as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
BYU guard Dallin Hall (30) goes under the hoop with Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) defending him as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) battles Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) and Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) for the ball as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) battles Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) and Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) for the ball as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Spencer Johnson (20) drives on Houston Cougars guard Jamal Shead (1) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024.
Brigham Young Cougars guard Spencer Johnson (20) drives on Houston Cougars guard Jamal Shead (1) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) spins toward the hoop with Houston Cougars guard Emanuel Sharp (21) defending as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) spins toward the hoop with Houston Cougars guard Emanuel Sharp (21) defending as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Jaxson Robinson (2) drives on Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Jaxson Robinson (2) drives on Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Atiki Ally Atiki (4) catches a pass for a dunk and is fouled by Houston Cougars guard Damian Dunn (11) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Atiki Ally Atiki (4) catches a pass for a dunk and is fouled by Houston Cougars guard Damian Dunn (11) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Atiki Ally Atiki (4) drives on Houston Cougars forward Joseph Tugler (25) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Atiki Ally Atiki (4) drives on Houston Cougars forward Joseph Tugler (25) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars players and coaches celebrate after a 3-point shot as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars players and coaches celebrate after a 3-point shot as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
BYU Cougars guard Jaxson Robinson (2) flips up a shot as he slips past Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5).
Brigham Young Cougars guard Jaxson Robinson (2) flips up a shot as he slips past Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
BYU forward Noah Waterman shoots during a game against No. 4 Houston at the Marriott Center in Provo, Jan. 23, 2024.
Brigham Young Cougars forward Noah Waterman (0) shoots over Houston Cougars guard L.J. Cryer (4) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Spencer Johnson (20) and Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) sit dejected on the bench as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68.
Brigham Young Cougars guard Spencer Johnson (20) and Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) sit dejected on the bench as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
A young Brigham Young Cougars fan enjoys the game as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
A young Brigham Young Cougars fan enjoys the game as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Fousseyni Traore (45) works against Houston Cougars guard Jamal Shead (1) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Fousseyni Traore (45) works against Houston Cougars guard Jamal Shead (1) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) takes a pass over Houston Cougars guard Jamal Shead (1) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) takes a pass over Houston Cougars guard Jamal Shead (1) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars guard Mylik Wilson (8) looks and reaches for the ball with teammate Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) and Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) looking on as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars guard Mylik Wilson (8) looks and reaches for the ball with teammate Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) and Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) looking on as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) fouls Houston Cougars guard L.J. Cryer (4) in the corner as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) fouls Houston Cougars guard L.J. Cryer (4) in the corner as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Atiki Ally Atiki (4) and Brigham Young Cougars guards Richie Saunders (15) and Spencer Johnson (20) cheer after a basket as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Atiki Ally Atiki (4) and Brigham Young Cougars guards Richie Saunders (15) and Spencer Johnson (20) cheer after a basket as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars students try to disrupt Houston Cougars forward J’Wan Roberts (13) as he shoots a free throw as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars students try to disrupt Houston Cougars forward J’Wan Roberts (13) as he shoots a free throw as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Fousseyni Traore (45) reaches out for the ball with Houston Cougars guard Damian Dunn (11) defending as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Fousseyni Traore (45) reaches out for the ball with Houston Cougars guard Damian Dunn (11) defending as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Trevin Knell (21) sits on the bench after fouling out of the game as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Trevin Knell (21) sits on the bench after fouling out of the game as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars guard Emanuel Sharp (21) reacts after Brigham Young Cougars guard Trevin Knell (21) was called for a foul as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars guard Emanuel Sharp (21) reacts after Brigham Young Cougars guard Trevin Knell (21) was called for a foul as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guards Trevin Knell (21) and Richie Saunders (15) battle Houston Cougars forwards Ja’Vier Francis (5) and J’Wan Roberts (13) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guards Trevin Knell (21) and Richie Saunders (15) battle Houston Cougars forwards Ja’Vier Francis (5) and J’Wan Roberts (13) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
A Brigham Young Cougars cheerleader looks into a phone for a video during a timeout as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
A Brigham Young Cougars cheerleader looks into a phone for a video during a timeout as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) tries to defend Houston Cougars guard Jamal Shead (1) as he goes at the hoop as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) tries to defend Houston Cougars guard Jamal Shead (1) as he goes at the hoop as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars students take selfies in the stands as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars students take selfies in the stands as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. Houston won 75-68. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars guard Emanuel Sharp (21) is called for a foul on Brigham Young Cougars forward Noah Waterman (0) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars guard Emanuel Sharp (21) is called for a foul on Brigham Young Cougars forward Noah Waterman (0) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Noah Waterman (0) signals a 3-point make as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Noah Waterman (0) signals a 3-point make as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Dallin Hall (30) goes at the hoop with Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) defending as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Dallin Hall (30) goes at the hoop with Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) defending as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) is fouled on his way to the hoop as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) is fouled on his way to the hoop as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
BYU guard Richie Saunders reacts after dropping in a shot as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo, Jan. 23, 2024.
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) reacts after dropping in a shot as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) drives to hoop on Houston Cougars forward Joseph Tugler (25) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) drives to hoop on Houston Cougars forward Joseph Tugler (25) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) and teammates watch the action from the bench as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) and teammates watch the action from the bench as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) claps as he watches from the bench as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) claps as he watches from the bench as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Atiki Ally Atiki (4) looks for an open teammate as he is defended by Houston Cougars forward Joseph Tugler (25) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forward Atiki Ally Atiki (4) looks for an open teammate as he is defended by Houston Cougars forward Joseph Tugler (25) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) and Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) battle Houston Cougars forward Joseph Tugler (25) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) and Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) battle Houston Cougars forward Joseph Tugler (25) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) battles Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) and Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) for the ball as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Houston Cougars forward Ja’Vier Francis (5) battles Brigham Young Cougars center Aly Khalifa (50) and Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) for the ball as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forwards Noah Waterman (0) and Atiki Ally Atiki (4) defend Houston Cougars guard Emanuel Sharp (21) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars forwards Noah Waterman (0) and Atiki Ally Atiki (4) defend Houston Cougars guard Emanuel Sharp (21) as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
BYU coach Mark Pope calls out instructions as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024.
Brigham Young Cougars head coach Mark Pope calls out instructions as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) and teammates watch the action from the bench as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News
Brigham Young Cougars guard Richie Saunders (15) and teammates watch the action from the bench as BYU and Houston play at the Marriott Center in Provo on Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2024. | Scott G Winterton, Deseret News