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Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:50 pm EDT

Hard-luck Washington fans get skinned

I've generally stayed out of the fray when the topic is Dan Snyder. The man is a new-age mogul with new-age ways that don't always sit well with us old-school types. (Consider him the NFL's Mark Cuban, without the need to let us know what's on his mind every single waking moment.) What do I care if the Washington Redskins owner seems to know nothing about running a successful NFL franchise?

As long as he's not hurting anyone, he's not worth the bother.

Well, according to a well-reported story in the Washington Post, now he's hurting people. Even worse, people who love the 'Skins.

People like Pat Hill, a 72-year-old real estate agent who's been devastated by the collapse of the housing market.

Like Randy Clarno, 51, a developer who was forced to lay off 20 employees.

Like 37-year-old Rodney Hubbard, who lost his salesman job at a car dealership.

Like Dennis Butts, 62, a contractor who once even worked at the 'Skins headquarters.

Synder is hurting these people (and many others) by suing them because – due to various economic circumstances not unlike millions of other Americans are enduring – they could no longer afford their multi-year season-ticket contract and often would agree to a "settlement" they also could not afford.

According to the Post, Synder's Wfi Stadium Inc. sued 125 ticket holders for a total of $3.6 million, winning $2 million in judgments from 34 ticket holders, most of whom couldn't afford an attorney and subsequently didn't show up in court.

The judgement against Hill, who had a 10-year ticket agreement, was $66,364. Clarno lost a judgment for $80,837. Hubbard, $71,000.  And Butts, who had four Touchdown Club seats, a whopping $209,351.

This is unconscionable. Where is the outrage over this injustice? Where is Roger Goodell?!

The Redskins' general counsel, David Donovan, bravely spoke to the Post and addressed each of the individuals in the story. He added that suing is a last resort used only against a minuscule portion of the team's 20,000 annual premium seat contract holders. "For every one we sue, I would guess we work out a deal for half a dozen."

I fully understand that many season-ticket holders throughout sports stretch their wallets too far in order to satisfy their passion for their favorite team – just as millions of foreclosed homeowners bought houses they could not afford.

No doubt some of these 'Skins fans were guilty of such blindness, swayed in the midst of the same flush times that caused many of us to make foolish (or at least risky) financial choices.

Still, these times call for more compassionate action, especially by sports franchises, which, unlike banks, have a long-term relationship with their "customer" – often a die-hard, lifelong relationship.

Indeed the Post contacted several teams that said they did not sue fans over season ticket contracts: Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals, Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, New York Giants and Jets, Seattle Seahawks and Tennessee Titans.

The New England Patriots and Chicago Bears confessed that they have sued ticket holders. Seven teams declined to comment and others simply did not respond the reporter.

At worst, beleaguered ticket holders should be able to walk away from their ducats without future obligations. Particularly in the NFL where there's rarely an empty seat in the place. In most cities, there will be another willing fan to pay the freight.

To sue a down-on-their-luck fan in the midst of this economic tsunami is perhaps the greatest breach a team can make with its fans.

And that's something no sports team or league can afford right now.

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  1. Winner
    1. Posted by Winner Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:10 pm EDT

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    Talk about the real life Dr. Evil. What a scumbag
  2. Paul
    2. Posted by Paul Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:11 pm EDT

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    They had to find someway to pay Haynsworths $100 million dollar contract. Where did all the Spurrier money go? Why don't they sue him.
  3. Count B
    3. Posted by Count B Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 pm EDT

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    neat.
  4. Zanzibar
    4. Posted by Zanzibar Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:14 pm EDT

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    Wasn't he a die-hard 'Skins fan growing up? Way to honor the legacy Dan...
  5. _austin_
    5. Posted by _austin_ Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:15 pm EDT

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    What a joke this article is. I'm a Lions fan, so this isn't a pro-Snyder response, but business are now supposed to treat customers who breach their contracts with "compassion"? "Oh well...you don't seem to have a lot of money, so we'll just pretend that you didn't sign a contract." Please. Football teams, like all teams are businesses. We want them to pay for nice stadiums, to put quality teams on the field & the like. We can't expect them to all-of-the-sudden act like charities instead of businesses when it comes to dealing with season ticket contracts. LOL at the "72-year old, etc., etc...." Next we'll be told how he is crippled, in a wheelchair and has to be spoon-fed. His age/condition didn't stop the guy from deciding to enter a season-ticket contract, so why should his age/condition require the Redskins--or any other team/business--look the other way, show him some "compassion" and say "hey, don't worry about that money you contractually owe us."
  6. Robert
    6. Posted by Robert Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:18 pm EDT

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    What? Are you kidding me? Why don't NFL teams sue the players who don't honor their contract? Yeah, let's sue the fans. The fans that made the NFL what it is today. What a friggin' shame. I think I'm going to be sick now.
  7. jeh13000
    7. Posted by jeh13000 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:23 pm EDT

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    contract or not, Snyder is still a D-bag, driven by one thing. The almighty $. So as long as he is around the Skins will make money, but they will never win a Super Bowl. Players win with heart and effort. Snyder has no idea what either of these are, he will probably never feel the backlash from his fans but if they were smart they would stop showing up and see what happens then. He is not a leader, just a snake. Good luck skins fans, I am an Oakland fan but would rather have Al Davis than good ol Dan.
  8. William Powell
    8. Posted by William Powell Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:34 pm EDT

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    Snyder just made Michael Silver's ranking of the owners at #8 overall.
    Jeez, if the 8th best owner sues his own fans, how bad can it be for the folks down in Oakland with Al Davis at #32? Oh wait, that's me.
    Perhaps Mr. Silver would like a mulligan.
  9. icantmakeyouthink
    9. Posted by icantmakeyouthink Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:38 pm EDT

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    #2 Paul:
    "Where did all the Spurrier money go? Why don't they sue him."
    First off idiot, it would be "Why don't they sue him QUESTION MARK." But what should we expect from someone with a double digit IQ?
    Why don't they sue the Easter bunny, Paul? Both have as much to do with ticket holders and Snyder contracts, jerk.
    Where did YOUR salary go? Perhaps they should sue YOU!!
  10. beerbellystinker
    10. Posted by beerbellystinker Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:40 pm EDT

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    response to post # 7 jeh 13000 You would rather have Al Davis? Yeah, your right you are a raiders fan. A dumb one ! The skinz will win one a hell of a lot sooner than the Raiders. Synder is a fricken idiot and is a bad owner but one thing I give him credit for is that he tries to build a championship. Is bad at it and hands out too much money to declining players but at least he has the goal. Al Davis once had the Raiders near the upper middle of the pack as far as how much the team is worth. Now they are dead last ! Ironically the skins are second. The jets are fourth , Pats third and cowboys first. Oakland coaches fight, the fans are complete idiots and the stadium is a complete dump. Anyone who allows their team to play football on a baseball ( hint chargers ) diamond to me doesnt really care to much. There are other factors involved I know but come on. Thanks for proving my point about Raider fans.
  11. dad3545
    11. Posted by dad3545 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:49 pm EDT

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    The fans should be able to sue Snyder for overpaying old players. I think he's still paying Deion Sanders. LOL
  12. jason m
    12. Posted by jason m Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:50 pm EDT

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    Once the lawsuits are started the courts should freeze the seats and not allow them to be resold. Atleast that would save some other diehard fan from overpaying to watch a bunch of underachievers.
  13. Richard FL
    13. Posted by Richard FL Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:51 pm EDT

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    IF they fill the seats ..... lawsuit is moot Snyder cannot double dip. Actually Snyder should be sued for putting an inferior product on the field.
  14. mike c
    14. Posted by mike c Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:54 pm EDT

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    Let’s look at both sides. One is a business owner and one is a loyal customer. A loyal customer loves your business and it plans and wants to be a part of it, they sign a contract to purchase a piece of the pie. In turn the business man looks for investors (Banks, Private Equity, etc...) to make the plan work (Building Infrastructure, the Stadium, etc...). The plan works, the business man create a plan that everyone is happy and loyal with. Then the customer decides for whatever reason, they can't afford it anymore (they want to walk away or have walk away), leaving the business and all its other shareholders holding the bag (Share holders could be you and I for all we know. Our 401k could be vested; our banks portfolios may be invested, etc). It’s not fair for the other entire customer to pay more is it? From a business stand point, I agree with the owners and partners (the other fans, partners, maybe even my money?). From a common person that has very little, I don't think they should go after the poor old fools for over spending. If you believe in that last statement, then you believe you don't have any Obligations, or Responsibility to your creditors. I wonder how we feel if we went to work and our owner, partners, etc... Say’s we don't owe or we can't pay you because I made a mistake and I overbuilt or overspent our budget.
    For the other post that says the fans made the NFL or any other sports venue is a joke. Sports been around since the beginning of time, it was called by different names and it was nothing more than entertainment. The people that create the venues know this and we know this, it’s just we don't have the knowhow or money to make it happen. Athletes make millions of dollars because we allow them to by paying the prices at the gate and signing contracts to purchase tickets. If you step back and look, fans are the puppets and there is a puppet master! This is a great lesson for the youth of the world; there is no free lunch in America or anywhere else for that matter. Be wise; save for a rainy day, live a happy life, love others and treat others how you want to be treated. And don't forget the saying “an honest day’s work for an honest day’s wage."
  15. DanBaich
    15. Posted by DanBaich Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:57 pm EDT

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    Really? This is absurd. It is likely that these people are down on their luck already and this may very well be the tipping point for them going into bankruptcy. After filing a Chapter 7, the Redskins will just be one more in a (likely) long line of unsecured creditors and they will likely get bupkus. So, as a team, you sue, perhaps force someone into bankruptcy and get nothing but bad PR out of it. Great decision Danny Boy.
    As to the article, you write that the Redskin counsel addressed each individual in the story. Did the Redskins even try to work it out with the individuals? What were the results of the negotiations? Did the Skins offer an option for the individual to get someone else to fill their shoes?
    While I think this is ridiculous, it seems you should have let the Redskins tell their side of the story or at least write about it since the Redskin counsel will get on the phone and answer questions (which I'm sure you asked).
  16. jason m
    16. Posted by jason m Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:57 pm EDT

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    He should sue his players and agents for falsely representing themselves as NFL players.
  17. earl p
    17. Posted by earl p Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:03 pm EDT

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    It is a good thing the NFL owners have that big contract with the tv people, soon and i mean real SOON stands will be 50 or 60% full, ticket hackers will be selling cheap tickets outside every ball park, you don,t thnk so, wait and see how many tv blackouts will be in effect this year, o yea the nfl will lift them as a good jester, next year no salary cap in use, watch out nfl your day as king is comming to a end
  18. robritcomm3
    18. Posted by robritcomm3 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:12 pm EDT

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    Dan, Ive been a skins fan for over 30+ years, how dare you do this to skins fans!! this is an outrage. if your hurting so bad why dont you sell your stakes in 6 flags. i Bet Mr Cooke is rolling in his grave. Hail Skins, Screw Synder you S.O.B.
  19. Jake
    19. Posted by Jake Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm EDT

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    Wow, the very definition of a d-bag. What a shame.
  20. Boner26
    20. Posted by Boner26 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:37 pm EDT

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    As a 'Skins fan, it pains me to see Dan Snyder being a j*ck*ss. These are hard working people that fell on hard times and you want to sue them because they can't meet a contactual obligation to buy your OVERPRICED football tickets. How about just revoking their season tickets and re-issuing them for sale to another buyer. I know they're out there. I get an offer every other year for season tickets. Have some compassion.
  21. jermkat
    21. Posted by jermkat Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:40 pm EDT

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    Austin, you are actually right on the money. My first reaction was to judge the guy, but you are absolutely right. What about the people who got way over thier heads in a house they couldn't afford, were the owners just supposed to sit back and watch while they got back on thier feet. No, that would be absurd and to judge Danny boy for the same thing is absurd.
  22. Boner26
    22. Posted by Boner26 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:42 pm EDT

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    BTW, I am a Buffalo Bills season ticket holder. I bought Bills tickets for 2 reasons...season tickets are cheap, $406 a ticket this year, and to watch good teams play the Bills.
  23. wanvonwen
    23. Posted by wanvonwen Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:42 pm EDT

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    Niners should start Nate Davis
  24. Draftalicious
    24. Posted by Draftalicious Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:43 pm EDT

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    mike c --
    "love others and treat others how you want to be treated"
    Isn't that a rather hypocritcal statement to come from someone who just ranted about how the big business is in the right going after the throats of the very people who make him all his money?
  25. Geoff D
    25. Posted by Geoff D Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:45 pm EDT

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    Snyder has always been a lame ego driven f-tard.

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