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Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:57 pm EDT

Update: The REAL Olympic medal count

Earlier this week, Fourth-Place Medal created our version of the Olympic medal count, which ignores results from judged sports in order to provide an unbiased look into the total medal tallies of the countries. (For a more detailed explanation, check out the original post.) With just three days left in the Beijing Games, we thought it would be a good time to update the standings. First, though, some points of clarification:

1) The reason the United States and China are the only countries listed is because they're the two countires competing for the overall medal lead.

2) This tabulation is not meant to suggest that every medal won in a judged sport is tainted. For every Cheng Fei (the Chinese gymnast who inexplicably received a bronze medal in the vault despite landing on her knees) there is a Guo Jingjing (the flawless two-time gold medalist diver who was a clear winner in her events). 

3) As Joel Achenbach pointed out in an article in today's Washington Post, almost all sports are subject to types of judging errors -- baseball relies on umpires to call balls and strikes, soccer referees influence the game with their penalties, etc. The difference is, the officials in those sports exist to control the game, not to decide it.

4) The events thrown out of our medal tally are: diving, equestrian, gymnastics, judo, synchronized swimming, taekwondo, trampoline and wrestling

First, the actual medal count:


 Gold 
 Silver 
 Bronze
 Total 

 China  46  15  22  83
 United States 
 29  34  32  95

Next, the REAL medal count:


 Gold 
 Silver 
 Bronze 
 Total 

 United States
 25  26  25  76
 China  23  12  13  48


For the first time in our tabulation, the United States has passed China in gold medals. The Chinese have a staggering 23 golds in judged events, exactly half of their regular total. The United States has just four golds in such sports. In total, China has earned 35 medals in sports with judges, while the U.S. has 19.

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  1. Nadir
    1. Posted by Nadir Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:45 pm EDT

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    Chris..although I agree with your count, but I am certain it won't be the most popular debate in recent times. The medal count is closely right. How many of the golds in fact belong to the "underage" Chinese athlete?
  2. stranger_pissin_thru
    2. Posted by stranger_pissin_thru Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:45 pm EDT

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    Hate to say it, but dude is right.
  3. Yang
    3. Posted by Yang Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    I am a Chinese living in US and Chris, I say you are just stirring the pot to get more hits to this blog. Controversy sells. People argue and you laugh. Come one guys, no matter how many gold medals China gets, US is still the top sports nation. Don't be so insecure. In the mean time, do realize that the world is so much bigger than US and yes, smaller guys have their own advantages in evolution.
  4. Calm Down
    4. Posted by Calm Down Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:27 pm EDT

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    Calling this a REAL count is calling all artistic sports a non-sport. Why not just measure the bone density and muscle mass of each athletes and call it a day? It would save a lot more time and money and will probably get you the same results anyway.
  5. new yorker
    5. Posted by new yorker Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:33 pm EDT

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    haha, very funny. i dont know why you americans cant take a beating gracefully! "he who doesn't complain cannot be pitied"!
  6. Yang
    6. Posted by Yang Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    "US is still the top sports nation."
    And how can you not be? United States is like United Nations now. If China imported some African immigrants, Hispanic immigrants, and yes and European immigrants too, we would definitely beat your behind.
  7. Steven
    7. Posted by Steven Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:18 pm EDT

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    This is true but you should show some respect for the athletes because underage or not, they're still good. I agree with Yang Z here but hey that's what this blog is for - to make money.
  8. lacklander
    8. Posted by lacklander Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:55 pm EDT

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    The fact is, some of these events better get their judging issues and corruption fixed or they will lose the viewers they depend upon. Look at professional boxing. At one time, it was a major sport.
  9. leem
    9. Posted by leem Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:56 pm EDT

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    This is the silliest post I have ever seen in my life.
  10. Steven
    10. Posted by Steven Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:18 pm EDT

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    And for gymnastics you could say the judges favored Nastia Liukin's elegant style (I definitely prefer it) instead of Shawn Johnson's power, but in the end their scores decide the winner - it's always been like that whether you like it or not. Quit complaining.
  11. Aussie
    11. Posted by Aussie Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:50 pm EDT

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    China does not compete with US for total medal count, but for the gold, which US is failing to get.
  12. Aussie
    12. Posted by Aussie Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:50 pm EDT

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    After Paul Hahm stole the Gold Medal from south Korea, United States started to hate judges.
  13. Jim C
    13. Posted by Jim C Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    It's crazy...I was just thinking this myself this morning, THEN saw your post. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it is strange to me that over half of China's medal count is from competitions that judges decide who is better, often by hundredths of a point and often for unfathomable reasons.
    It is too important for the olympic committee to have China get embarassed at these games, though the age controversy, the judging controversy, the lipsyncing girl and the fake fireworks and biggest of all the tibetian issue have not exactly made China look that good.
    Another count I would like to see...if you have the time/resources to look into it...how many of the medals are being won by athletes who, though they represent other countries, either attend colleges in the US or train here. I would be curious to see that number.
  14. Wesley
    14. Posted by Wesley Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:43 pm EDT

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    Sour grapes! Would this blog even be written if the medals count were reversed. Probably not! Write something meaningful.
  15. Matt Z
    15. Posted by Matt Z Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:17 pm EDT

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    We should have boycotted the Olympics.
  16. Aussie
    16. Posted by Aussie Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:50 pm EDT

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    You may want to count two more golds for the 4X100 relay teams. They deserve them.
  17. Peter E
    17. Posted by Peter E Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:07 pm EDT

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    I can't understand why the American psyche needs so desperately to diminish the fact that China has more gold medals.
  18. you are all living on MY land
    18. Posted by you are all living on MY land Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:10 pm EDT

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    insecurity, it's like people with monster truck but have no actual need for it, it's got "I got a small ****" all over it.
  19. C N
    19. Posted by C N Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:27 pm EDT

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    though I dislike seeing a gymnast medaling after falling to her knees after landing her vault, cheng fei did have a 1.3 advantage in start value over Alicia.
  20. Ryan H
    20. Posted by Ryan H Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:29 pm EDT

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    NOBODY can argue that Alicia deserved the bronze on the vault. I've never watched an olympics where there has been so many judging errors. Is it just a coincidence that all the judged events are going towards the host nation? I think not.
  21. swim bug
    21. Posted by swim bug Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:44 pm EDT

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    Has anybody else noticed that most of these athletes practice and learn in the US anyway...Take women's beach volleyball...all the medal winners train in the US and have american coaches..or how many track athletes attend school in the US and compete for their school...I agree there are things that other countries are just better at, but why use our resources, win a medal, and forget who it was that helped you achieve that...
  22. Mike W
    22. Posted by Mike W Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:10 pm EDT

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    Jeez, stop whining about the medal count and just enjoy the show...
    As Jim McKay (RIP) said in ABC's Wide World of Sports: "The Thrill of Victory... And the Agony of Defeat... The Human Drama of Athletic Competition..."
  23. Andrew S
    23. Posted by Andrew S Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:24 pm EDT

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    Has it come to this? Is the USA really so desperate to avoid accepting defeat gracefully, that we have to start inventing our own medal tables in order to find a way to claim we're still the best? What an immature nation we are.
  24. C N
    24. Posted by C N Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:27 pm EDT

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    I am disappointed in yahoo for hiring a horrible writer such as chris.
  25. AI
    25. Posted by AI Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm EDT

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    Chris you had some bet with them numbers didn't you... hope you didn't bet much.

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