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This Sean Avery "E:60" interview has been getting a lot of attention, so here's the Dallas Stars forward's segment from the show this week.

It's another fascinating interview with Avery, and it's rather refreshing to note that Rachel Nichols is a better hockey talker for ESPN than she was a hockey writer with the Washington Post. So has another professional athlete had to field more questions about his sexuality in the last few months than Sean Avery? You'd figure after they saw how he reacts to such accusations, they'd think twice. At least the female reporters should.

But back to hockey, this quote struck me:

"It would certainly be good for the game if we marketed the game. The NHL does a terrible job of marketing. They just ... they haven't figured it out that heroes and villains are what sells."

He mentions Jarome Iginla as a player "no one cares about," which isn't fair because the NHL doesn't know how to market its most famous black player, either. But the basis for Avery's argument is absolutely true: The NHL is afraid to label, and thus market, its teams and players as heroes and villains. From Avery to the Flyers to Chris Pronger ... it's Wrestling Promotion 101: Heroes need heels as their foils.

That's a basic misunderstanding of not only our audience, but of human nature. As I said on NPR during the finals:

4. Blood: Hockey speaks to basic, primary human instincts. It is a sport about warriors, winners and losers, in which players leave their blood on the playing surface.

It's obviously in Avery's interests if the NHL makes stars out of villains. But it's also in hockey's best interests to do just that. Still, don't hold your breath: This is a league that thinks the good guys shouldn't wear white at home.

Does the NHL need to market its villains more?

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  1. Ryan
    1. Posted by Ryan Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:55 pm EDT

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    to answer your question simply... yes.
    but also you mention wrestling and the idea of mentioning a soap opera in the same breath as the best game on ice... NO! They should share no more than arenas across North America a couple nights a year. Calling the whole Flyers franchise villains is ridiculous. There should be villains and Sean Avery and Chris Pronger and Jarkko Ruutu would do wonders for the game. Their class with the skilled, fast, and heroic members of the NHL would be great. And no I don't mean doing another 300 cross promotion.
    The league needs to be marketed better... period.
    The game would sell itself if more people grew up playing it... but they don't... at least not in the United States.
  2. Wrap Around Curl
    2. Posted by Wrap Around Curl Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:49 pm EDT

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    To me, listening to the video and the comment about Iginla just seems to be take a bit out of context. It feels like it was edited. I think Avery was saying the NHL doesn't market players like Iggy, so people don't care. That's how I saw it.
  3. Adam Jones
    3. Posted by Adam Jones Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:45 pm EDT

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    Sean Avery = The Million Dollar Man Ted Diabase??? Let's hope Jarome Iginla doesn't equal Virgil.
  4. The Forechecker
    4. Posted by The Forechecker Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:06 pm EDT

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    They don't even need to use pro wrestling as a model, just look at what the NBA did back in the late 80's with the Detroit Pistons as the "Bad Boys". It did a great job of simultaneously rallying the fans in Detroit while riling up the opposition wherever they want.
    The problem with hockey players being such "regular Joes" is that they've been conditioned to be as boring as possible in order to avoid controversy. Is there a more boring star in the world of sports than Sidney Crosby?
  5. piston
    5. Posted by piston Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:20 pm EDT

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    Hey douche,isnt iginla's mom just as white as his dad is black?
  6. TheTick
    6. Posted by TheTick Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:29 pm EDT

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    "So has another professional athlete had to field more questions about his sexuality in the last few months than Sean Avery?"
    Brady Quinn would like to speak with you...
  7. mikez34
    7. Posted by mikez34 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:20 pm EDT

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    This guy is a total douche! I didn't like him before, I like him even less now.
  8. Brodie30
    8. Posted by Brodie30 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:46 pm EDT

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    Oh Sean... you're so deep.
  9. Jeremy G
    9. Posted by Jeremy G Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:33 pm EDT

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    I think this "heroes and villains" dynamic is also what earned NASCAR most of its following. From Dale Earnhardt Sr. and Jeff Gordon to Kyle Busch and Tony Stewart and others, the real reason people get into the races is the personalities involved. After all, Lord knows there's very little entertainment value to the races themselves.
    Last year, the NHL missed a bit of a golden opportunity for this approach: with all those Flyers suspensions, they could have labeled it the "Return of the Broad Street Bullies" or something.
    Anyway, I say: yes, more villains, please. The "NHLers are nice, down-to-earth guys" spiel is too quaint and vanilla to capture the casual sports fan's interests.
  10. Raskolnikov
    10. Posted by Raskolnikov Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:07 pm EDT

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    Put Ovechkin and Avery in a series of Odd Couple commercials.
  11. Jamesalmighty
    11. Posted by Jamesalmighty Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:50 pm EDT

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    I watched that yesterday. It was pretty cool the way he handled himself in front of the media. He seems like a total creep, but it's an act that he has down. He's actually a pretty smart guy.
  12. Wrap Around Curl
    12. Posted by Wrap Around Curl Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:49 pm EDT

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    Oh, more questions about sexuality? Jiri Tlusty anyone?
  13. norticus
    13. Posted by norticus Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:27 pm EDT

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    I don't care what anyone says, Sean Avery is the most interesting guy in the NHL. I would love to hang out with the guy and get a real chance to pick is brain about every from hockey to music and everything in between.
  14. onmyown
    14. Posted by onmyown Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:18 pm EDT

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    Hero's & villains?
    I don't think so. It might work for nascar, but you can't single out one or two people on a full roster as a villain.
    Start, making hockey a show about good guys and bad guys(wrestling), rather than iced warriors, and you lose my interest.
    The problem with marketing hockey is that it's a sport/game that you have to watch intensely, unlike baseball, etc. A lot of people nowadays do not have the attention span to watch so intensely, with the knowledge of players, plays, penalties, rules, etc, etc.
    How do you market that?
    You can easily market to the bandwagon fans, but that's mostly post season. How do you grab that bandwagon fan for life?
  15. riverdragon37
    15. Posted by riverdragon37 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:42 pm EDT

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    You market Hockey to new fans in questionable markets by getting the papparazzi to photograph Elisha Cuthbert wearing nothing but a Phaneuf jersey and a smile... and THEN showing Avery's face on the same page.
    The villain thing in a league with an instigator rule?...
  16. Sugar Thief
    16. Posted by Sugar Thief Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:17 pm EDT

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    market the NHL however you want, just market it.
  17. Daniel G
    17. Posted by Daniel G Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    As a Rangers fan, I was sorry to see Avery go. Definitely one of the game's more interesting players. On the whole, I think he's good for the league. The guy is very outspoken off the ice, and whatever his detractors say about his antics on the ice, he's a fierce competitor who goes 110% in every game he plays to get the win. Avery plays a high-intensity, physical game for a player his size, and his offensive output is respectable. That being said, I would guess that he has a pretty short shelf life with any organization he plays for (the Rangers included).
  18. A Yahoo! User
    18. Posted by A Yahoo! User Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:27 pm EDT

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    The NHL can market the game better when they realize there are other players beside Sidney Crosby. And beg ESPN to take them back. Daniel G, you are right. Avery does give his all every night and although he is not one of my favorites, believe me I would be happy if he was on the Lightning.
  19. james k
    19. Posted by james k Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:10 pm EDT

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    I was able to watch Avery a lot when he played here in LA and he was the best player we had. The fans here love him even now. Does any player have more of an impact on a team? Crosby gets injured-Pens keep on being gay without losing a step-actually they played better. Without Avery, the Ragers were awful. This guy scores goals too-what more can you ask for? and the Iginla thing was out of context-he was putting down the league.
  20. jc
    20. Posted by jc Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:31 pm EDT

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    Outspoken Avery talks again. I'm a fan of his.
  21. N. Y. NIGHTMARE
    21. Posted by N. Y. NIGHTMARE Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:06 pm EDT

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    can't
  22. Beast
    22. Posted by Beast Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:24 pm EDT

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    Without the so called "tough" guys in the NHL, one may just as well go see The Ice Capades. Take a look back to the Seventies, Big Bad Bruins, The Broad Street Bullies packed the arenas EVERY night. Players like Terry O'Reilly, John Wensink, and Stan Jonathan would DEFINATLY pack them in their seats. Where would "The Great One" be without Marty McSorley?. I'm so tired of all these "panty wastes" crying over the violance in the ONLY manly sport there is! Who is this George LaRock or something like that, Tie Domi would hand him his butt on his worse day.
  23. chuckee
    23. Posted by chuckee Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:25 pm EDT

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    giggs - thank you for the comment of there ARE OTHER PLAYERS BESIDES SIDNEY CROSBY!!!!
  24. dcash
    24. Posted by dcash Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:41 pm EDT

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    no! the nhl has its heroes and villains already, as any hockey fan will tell you, and as this entire article attests to. why does the nhl need to market this and make it a phony commodity? i am tired of the nhl watering down (see instigator rule and obstruction rules) and otherwise bastardizing (see the discussions about changing net size, ice color, etc.) the greatest game in the world in order to appeal to more fans. name another sport that's basic elements have been tampered with in recent years as much as the nhl. i don't care if hockey grows in popularity. let it remain a niche sport. if i wanted to watch the nba, i'd watch the nba....
  25. dcash
    25. Posted by dcash Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:41 pm EDT

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    ....if i wanted to watch the wwe, i'd watch the wwe. if you can't appreciate jarome iginla, then we don't need you as a hockey fan. hockey is a game, not a show. let's stop trying to change the game to make it more marketable. let's play hockey the way it deserves to be played. if people like it, people like it. if they don't, they don't. i know i will. here's a novel idea. if hockey doesn't sell in south florida, instead of changing the game to make it more enjoyable to floridians, let's put a team back in winnipeg, where it will always sell. instead of making hockey more "entertaining" to arizonans, lets put a team in a city where people are "entertained" simply by hockey.....

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