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From the "red menace" speculation that it would raid talent from the NHL to the Russian league's excellent health benefits, we've dogged the KHL from time to time. Making Ben Clymer and Darius Kasparaitis all-stars didn't help, either.

But credit where it's due: The inaugural KHL All-Star Game had one hell of a picturesque setting in Red Square over the weekend, even if the frigid temps made for a slightly more tepid tempo than most all-star affairs:

One more KHL highlight for you: A nifty pass from former Nashville Predators player Alexander Radulov to Oleg Saprykin for a goal.

Someone made the case here not too long ago for adding a little art and personalization to hockey helmets; seeing those Crest Whitening domes on Russian players makes us think that wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Otherwise, there's no arguing that seeing St Basil's Cathedral in the background of a hockey game is pretty killer. Kudos to that fishbowl-lens camera in back of the goal, which managed to capture both the action and the scope of the scenery; and the fans were closer to the action than they were in either Ralph Wilson or Wrigley, too.

But about those fans: Jeff Klein of the New York Times Slap Shot blog said one of the reasons the KHL game was a lifeless affair was due to the number of fans in attendance -- an observation that could be taken into consideration as the NHL boldly moves forward with its signature Winter Classic events.

From Klein:

In the end, the K.H.L. game in Red Square did not come anywhere close to the most iconic outdoor hockey scene of recent years, 73,000 in the snow at Buffalo's Ralph Wilson Stadium on Jan. 1, 2008 - or even to somewhat less atmospheric but still stirring sights, like Wrigley Field this year, Commonwealth Stadium in 2003, or the Stade de Suisse in 2007.

A word of advice, then, to the K.H.L.: outdoor games are great, but you need at least 25,000 people on hand to provide the atmosphere a proper sporting event needs. So enough with games at what amount to public skating rinks - play your all-star game next year at a bandy stadium. There are big ones in Arkhangelsk, Khabarovsk ... you could even lay down a sheet in a soccer stadium in Moscow or Petersburg.

After the triumph at Wrigley, the NHL has a rather logical Winter Classic path in front of it -- through Boston and New York, through Happy Valley and Denver, through Minnesota and Detroit. At some point, just to break up the stadium monotony, the notion of playing the game in some sort of untraditional environment will likely be considered.

Like The Mall in DC (and don't think freezing the Reflecting Pool hasn't crossed a few minds in the District, no matter how foolhardy the notion). Or Central Park. Or the side of some Colorado mountain. Or some frozen tundra in Minnesota that'll make the conditions in Buffalo seem like Maui by comparison. In any event, the number of fans that can be crammed into temporary seating for such a game would probably be closer to the KHL's crowd than Wrigley's.

So is Klein right? Is there a mandatory minimum for Winter Classic crowds? Is the size of the crowd more important than the location of the game for the purposes of television?

One final Winter Classic thought on a chilly January morning: If the AHL and other minor leagues get in on the act, will the gimmick quickly lose its luster?

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  1. knucklehead
    1. Posted by knucklehead Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    Platinum arena in Khabarovsk is an awesome building.......but a 9 hour flight from Moscow. Been there.
  2. Munkcy
    2. Posted by Munkcy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:21 pm EDT

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    The NHL should make sure that any league that it has control over or is affiliated with does not do an outdoor game. One of the drawing points of the Winter Classic is that it's the only time you get to see professional hockey players playing outdoors.
  3. Al S.
    3. Posted by Al S. Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:51 pm EDT

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    i disagree. if rochester does an outdoor game, the extent of its tv coverage will maybe be a brief bit on sportscenter. it's not like it's going to be on nbc, so the only way people are seeing it is if they live in rochester and go to the game. and those people will enjoy it and look for the next winter classic and maybe even try to go to it. it's the best way of getting fans interested in hockey in areas without nhl teams.
    colleges should also go back to playing some more outdoor games. south bend, the big house, and the horseshoe would all be interesting choices.
  4. Ch M
    4. Posted by Ch M Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:23 pm EDT

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    One sec, 240,000 people tried to get tickets for 60,000 seats so I think we are a couple years away from limiting the seats. Keep in mind, the WC still counts as one team's home game and they have season ticket holders too which also creates issues. At some point a scenic game would make for great cinematography, but since the NHL league revenue is such a concern, let's keep the stadiums packed for now.
  5. josh c
    5. Posted by josh c Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:41 pm EDT

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    I'm wondering if we'll ever see a Winter Classic in Canada... after all, a Flames/Oilers tilt at McMahon Stadium or even Habs/Leafs at one of the stadiums in those two cities (personally I'd push for BMO Field in Toronto or Molson Stadium in Montreal with extra bleachers added before the Rogers Centre or Olympic Stadium) just isn't going to serve the League's, or NBC's marketing purposes.
  6. Hockey Blog Adventure
    6. Posted by Hockey Blog Adventure Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:01 pm EDT

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    The winter classic on NBC will continue to be in the US. Bank on it.
    I could see Boston/New York happening, and I plan on going. It could be in a few years, though, for the centennial of fenway.
  7. Jon H
    7. Posted by Jon H Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    I don't think minor league games will ruin the appeal of the WC. I don't think a lot of folks in the US actually watch minor league hockey. In western PA, they had a highschool game between two of the best local teams, but without any TV coverage outside of the news there wasn't much exposure.
  8. Chris
    8. Posted by Chris Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    What was the actual attendance for the Moscow game?
    I wonder if we will ever see a couple winter classic games piggy backed together, either on the same day or the same weekend. For example, you have the regular NHL Jan. 1 game, and then on Jan.2 have a minor league or college or second NHL outdoor game. I guess it might make more sense to have the minor league or college game the day before to build interest in the big event. This would work if they did it somewhere like Ann Arbour or Penn State. I would be interested in making a weekend trip for something like this.
  9. galetje
    9. Posted by galetje Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:24 pm EDT

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    Minnesota already has frozen outdoor hockey games on lakes every year. And Hockey Day in Minnesota is always held outside on a lake (see Baudette Bay games in sub zero temps last year). The US Pond Hockey Championships are held on Lake Nokomis in Minneapolis every January. The issue is the seating. How do you accomodate 50K people in a temporary setting for one day when the league is already struggling to make money? Stadium seating is an easy solution logistically for everyone. Would it be great if someone would donate millions to set up an outdoor game on one of the more than 10,000 Minnesota lakes? Sure, but it would be just as nice to see it on the University of MN campus at the new TCF Bank Stadium in view of Mariucci Arena and Ridder Arena and have the Wild play the team formerly known as the North Stars.
  10. Tito "TD" O'Dell
    10. Posted by Tito "TD" O'Dell Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 pm EDT

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    That Radulov pass was vintage EA Sports. I always found scoring on a breakaway to be near impossible on a decent goaltender, but that play always worked wonders.
    On the topic of the WC, I wouldn't mind seeing Detroit or Chicago get it every year, the way the Lions always get Thanksgiving. The name "The" Winter Classic implies a recurring tradition. That said, I dig the neutral site / non-stadium idea, also.
  11. mr bbb
    11. Posted by mr bbb Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:06 pm EDT

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    I could see a Philly/Pens game at Penn State with 105k people in attendance. I'm sure it would sell out fast. Also, have their farm teams play the day before, since their AHL Teams are both nearby and supported well by their fan bases. Joe Pa could drop the ceremonial face off.
  12. Garth the Hoser
    12. Posted by Garth the Hoser Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:06 pm EDT

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    Joshe wrote: I'm wondering if we'll ever see a Winter Classic in Canada...
    Uh, we already did. It was Habs-Oilers oldtimers followed by a regular season Habs-Oilers game. At Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton. In about -40 weather. Everything since has been a pale imitation.
  13. Cd T
    13. Posted by Cd T Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:39 pm EDT

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    Doesn't KHL stand for Krappy Hockey League?
  14. N. Y. NIGHTMARE
    14. Posted by N. Y. NIGHTMARE Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:06 pm EDT

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    AND MARCEL HOSSA SCORES THE HATTRICK GWG .... what a joke! marcel hossa is a slice of chzecosloCrapia
  15. josh c
    15. Posted by josh c Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:41 pm EDT

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    Garth the hoser: Uh, we didn't see a "Winter Classic" in Canada. That was the "Heritage Classic".
    Winter Classics take place on New Year's Day, on NBC and have happened in Buffalo and Chicago. Not Edmonton. Edmonton's was a different event.
  16. Len M
    16. Posted by Len M Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:48 pm EDT

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    if you want to see where the nhl stands as far as fannies in the seats go, why not have detroit vs toronto in the michigan wolverines stadium. that's a lot of seats but i think with both teams having a rabid following and being close would set a new record for tickets bought.
  17. Jay G
    17. Posted by Jay G Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:29 pm EDT

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    I think they should do Lightning vs Panthers out door game!!!! that would be sick.

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