Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:26 am EST

Yesterday, we discussed the availability of Martin St. Louis of the Tampa Bay Lightning in the context of a rumor posted by Dave Pagnotta of The Fourth Period, which had the diminutive winger potentially heading to the Pittsburgh Penguins for defenseman Ryan Whitney.
The general consensus we received was that a soon-to-be-34-year-old winger wasn't worth a 26-year-old defenseman who can run the power play; even if St. Louis is the prototypical winger for a center like Sidney Crosby, and even if Whitney has been "teh suck" for the Pens since returning from injury.
The chatter about this prospective deal grew so loud that both of the Lightning's newspaper beat writers addressed it on their respective blogs.
You know the old line about beauty being in the eye of the beholder? Well, Erik Erlendsson of the Tampa Tribune and Damian Cristodero of the St. Petersburg Times must have been wearing their beer goggles while typing up their posts on St. Louis ... who is apparently worth Whitney, Jordan Staal and a few other enticements from the Penguins.
Marty would probably be a good fit with Crosby because he works hard every shift, can chase down pucks and works well in the corners. The name mentioned as coming back is defenseman Ryan Whitney. But here's the thing, if the Lightning think Whitney is the No. 1 defenseman they need, it's just not the case.
Now, if the deal was Whitney and Jordan Staal, maybe you think about it from the Lightning's perspective. Otherwise, you don't trade the heart and soul of this team. Not for the production St. Louis provides for this team. Not for what he means to the franchise. And certainly for not what he still brings at a friendly cap number (relatively speaking) of $5.25 million and the actual salary he will make, $4 million next
I guess, even if the Lightning was open to trading St. Louis, it would have to weigh whether the Laval, Quebec, native, next season, at 34, will be as valuable on the ice. Or, is it better to get whatever it can for him while his value is still so high. One thing is certain, if St. Louis is dealt by the March 4 trade deadline, it better be a win for Tampa Bay. After Vinny Lecavalier, St. Louis is the fans' favorite.
Someone floated the name of defenseman Ryan Whitney and a prospect as part of the rumor. Not nearly enough. Maybe Whitney and center Jordan Staal and some prospects; something to make sure the fans think the team got value back. Because, again, this team is going to have to sell tickets for next season, and with likely a second straight season without the playoffs, it needs something with which to market.
Look, these guys see St. Louis as often as anyone. He's incredibly popular, a locker-room leader, a Stanley Cup championship team alumnus and can still light up the scoreboard as he did in last night's 6-4 win over the Toronto Maple Leafs -- a four-point night skating with Vincent Lecavalier and Ryan Malone. If the Bolts are indeed pointed in the right direction, with Oren Koules and Len Barrie deferring hockey decisions to others, the one would imaging St. Louis would be part of that turnaround until his contract is up in 2012.
The point being that two beat writers for the team clearly value St. Louis in way many non-Bolts fans do not. To the point where Whitney and Staal are a starting point for a trade, rather than the maximum value Tampa could ever dream of getting.
Is he worth that package? Of course not. Whitney and Staal and a few picks probably gets you, say, Ilya Kovalchuk, who St. Louis is certainly not.
Would St. Louis cost more than just Whitney? Tony from Penguins blog The Confluence believes so:
I realize Tampa's not going to make that deal straight up, I mean their scouts aren't blind. But unless Tampa Bay is demanding a high draft pick or a top prospect along with Whitney, meaning a mid-level prospect(s) and/ or picks, I'd make that deal every day and twice on Sundays.
But Whitney and Staal? Hell, just toss in Malkin and Fleury for good measure, and hope that Tampa has the comportment to send back Steve Eminger as a token of gratitude ...
There have been few hints from St. Louis that he wants to waive his no-movement clause and leave Tampa. He's worked hard, been a vocal leader and appears willing to see this through. That, combined with the perceived asking price, is probably enough to take him off the block at the deadline.
Not to say the Bolts won't be active at the deadline. Erlendsson offers two potential moves:
The first involves the San Jose Sharks, who have been scouting the Lightning somewhat in the past couple of games. John Ferguson Jr., was in Pittsburgh last week watching the game and then showed up in Tampa for Tuesday's game against Atlanta. He is not here tonight, nor is any member of the Sharks scouting staff, but word is that San Jose is looking at veteran center Jeff Halpern. ...
... Another rumor that just hit the wire involves the Columbus Blue Jackets, Word is that Tampa has been scouting Columbus recently while the Blue Jackets have a scout in the building tonight. The supposed interest on Columbus' part is Vinny Prospal. This one makes a little bit of sense to me as Prospal has been caught in his every-other-year lack of production this season and his contract is pretty hefty. Perhaps that's why Prospal has played at center tonight?
Vinny Prospal? He had 14 points in 18 games for the Philadelphia Flyers last year, but typically plays in a different gear when he's in Tampa. Not the worst pick-up for the Jackets if the price is right, but not a cure-all at center, either. It would be interesting to see if the BJs can expand a deal to include some help on the blueline.
Although based on the Tampa media's recent appraisals, it'll probably cost Nash, Mason and Hitchcock's deep fryer.
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It's happening. Scouts have been in the buildings. Count on it.
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and you want to keep that "friendly" cap number marty has? maybe you shouldn't have wasted 7.5 million a year on ryan malone. JOKE.
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and you want to keep that "friendly" cap number marty has? maybe you shouldn't have wasted 7.5 million a year on ryan malone. joke.
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The only way I accept that deal is if Ron Francis is included and running the Powerplay from the halfwall, while coaching, on the ice, playing in his suit.
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It would at least legitimize my jersey foul...
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I think there's a difference between a win and fantasy land. Which is where trading Jordan Staal AND Ryan Whitney for a 34-year-old winger should make a happy home.
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This proposal and the fans who are saying it's valid is almost as fun as reading what fans think the value is on all of the Leafs' great players.
KABERLE TO PITTS FOR SID, A FIRST AND WHITNEY (e5)
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How about a Whitney/Boucher/Satan/2 highest draft picks the Pens got for Kovalchuk and Colby Armstrong? Hell, throw in Fedetenko, too. That's 3 (or 4 if you DO throw in Fed) expiring contracts, and a guy who's going to be good (if not great) at the point on the PP for a long time. Not to mention two more picks.
I'd love to see a Kovalchuk/Crosby/Colby first line and a Kennedy/Malkin/Sykora 2nd line. You have Staal as the 3rd line center, plus on the PK. Gonch is coming back and you call Gologoski back up from WBS and the D is set with Sarge, Orpik, Letang, Gill, Eaton, Scuds and Gologoski. Come on...some one make me a GM! lol
Really, what this is about is me loving to see Army back in a Pens uniform. Seriously.
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how about a whitney/boucher/satan/2 highest draft picks the pens got for kovalchuk and colby armstrong? hell, throw in fedetenko, too. that's 3 (or 4 if you do throw in fed) expiring contracts, and a guy who's going to be good (if not great) at the point on the pp for a long time. not to mention two more picks.
i'd love to see a kovalchuk/crosby/colby first line and a kennedy/malkin/sykora 2nd line. you have staal as the 3rd line center, plus on the pk. gonch is coming back and you call gologoski back up from wbs and the d is set with sarge, orpik, letang, gill, eaton, scuds and gologoski. come on...some one make me a gm! lol
really, what this is about is me loving to see army back in a pens uniform. seriously.
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Prospal didn't play for Hitch in Philly. Prospal played his second stint with them last year, Hitch was fired over two years ago now. (Prospal's first stint with the Flyers ended about five years before Hitch was hired.)
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Staal is a -5, but he's out there on every PK (unless he is in the box, which is when the other team usually scores on the PP). He's 14 YEARS younger than St. Oldie down there in Tampa. Whitney (26) would be an ideal replacement for Boyle (because Meszaros has worked out oh so nicely). Therrien has played Whitney as more of a defensive minded D-man as of late, especially after the playoffs last year. Whitney had 59 pts in 06-07 and 40 last year, but has lost most of this season due to injury, but you can't just count this years stats when making a trade. A players' potential is one of the key components of a trade. The only potential St. Louis has is to tank like Miro Satan.
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