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"He's one of the most beautiful skaters I've ever seen. I hate to use the word beautiful in hockey, but skating ability like that, you're eyes are drawn to him on the ice." - Tampa Bay Lightning Head Coach Barry Melrose, Lightning Strikes

That stalker-ish quote came from a chat Damian Cristodero of the St. Pete Times had with Melrose about Steven Stamkos, the Bolts' top pick in the 2008 Draft and a player expected to make an impact in his first NHL season.

More interestingly from Cristodero was a discussion yesterday about what to expect from Stamkos in his rookie season:

No one is comparing him to Sidney Crosby. He certainly was the best player in the draft, but I can't find any credible "expert" who believes Stamkos is going to put up 100 points. Having said that, though, there is plenty of evidence he is going to be a useful player, and he'll have to be when taking over the second line. Remember, the original plan was to have Stamkos anchor a third line and bump him up occasionally until he got acclimated to the NHL game. But then Jeff Halpern got hurt and, well, all of a sudden, Stamkos' learning curve needed to be a lot shorter.

Dave MacQueen, Stamkos' coach at OHL Sarnia, said for a story we did before the draft that he believes 25 goals and 60 points is not out of the question for Stamkos, who likely will start camp playing with wings Ryan Malone and Radim Vrbata.

That's a slightly better caliber of linemate than most rookie centers start with; one could argue that Stamkos will have more stability than Patrick Kane did last season playing with Tuomo Ruutu and Jonathan Toews.

Speaking of Kane, here are the offensive "No. 1 number ones" since 1998, and how they faired in their rookie seasons:

• Patrick Kane, Chicago Blackhawks (2007) -- 82 Games, 21-51-72
• Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins (2005) -- 81 Games, 39-63-102
Alexander Ovechkin, Washington Capitals (2004) -- 81 Games, 52-54-106
Rick Nash, Columbus Blue Jackets (2002) -- 74 Games, 17-22-39
Ilya Kovalchuk, Atlanta Thrashers (2001) -- 65 Games, 29-22-51
• Patrick Stefan, Atlanta Thrashers (1999) -- 72 Games, 5-20-25
Vincent Lecavalier, Tampa Bay Lightning (1998) 82 Games, 13-15-28 (Yikes.)

Former Bolts GM Jay Feaster nearly took my head off for suggesting that the massive marketing Tampa's been doing for Stamkos may have unfairly raised expectations for him. But based on what those in his situation have done, would the "Seen Stamkos?" marketing campaign be worth it for a 39-point season?

No one's expecting the forces-of-nature first seasons of Crosby or Ovechkin. No one's expecting a 72-point, Calder Trophy campaign like Kane had last season. I think everyone's assuming he'll be better than Vinny's 28 points back in his rookie year; especially Vinny.

But what's a reasonable point total for Stamkos in Year One, playing on the second line? What's the number that justifies the promotional stickers on parking signs and dogs? And what number does he have to reach in order for his rookie season not to be considered a disappointment?

Judging from the recent rookie years: 20 goals would be a gift, but 50 points is the absolute minimum for Stamkos. Should be an interesting Calder race.

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  1. J.P.
    1. Posted by J.P. Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:42 pm EDT

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    You left out Barry's "He'd be a male model if he wasn't a hockey player" quote. Sassy!
  2. JR
    2. Posted by JR Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:08 pm EDT

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    The justification for the promotion was increasing the amount of hockey fans in the tampa bay area, already the 8th best attendance from last year, they are looking to do even better.
    your pointing out of the historic bad rookie seasons does nothing but point out how they've started to improve in recent years. Cause lord knows Ovechkin and Crosby are horrible, and Rick Nash and Vinny Lecavalier never came around. with the stable of forwards tbl has and the fact that st. louis and lecavalier run the team, the pressure is off stamkos to be "the man" and will make his transition easier...no one said he would "save the team"
    You really need to do something about your hard on for the Tampa Bay organization, it's starting to look like falic envy. Wyshynski you are horrible, talk about crappy rookie seasons.
  3. cristobal
    3. Posted by cristobal Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:24 pm EDT

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    not a beautiful as your hair, barry. keep it real, you're an inspiration.
    What is the recent attitude on Doughty from the 'in the know'. as an unfortunate resident of LA, its hard to imagine how he can shine with the mess over here. Am I wrong?
  4. Bubbabanjo
    4. Posted by Bubbabanjo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

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    Barry is the Werewolf of London..........His hair is perfect...........yeuuuuuuuuuup!!!!
    Tampa is one great town. Maybe the best town in the US to road trip a game to. Barry the Hair is one of my favorite coaches but he is gettin older.....wonder how he will fair the 2nd time around.
    Wyshynski ..................ahhhhhhhhhh heck its Friday. Yer alright.
  5. Shaunny Vegas
    5. Posted by Shaunny Vegas Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:17 pm EDT

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    Screw the lightning, go wings!!
  6. stupid is as stupid does
    6. Posted by stupid is as stupid does Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 pm EDT

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    these "lets go wings" quotes are about as annoying as the datetherich.com sites. all you detroit bandwagoners are creepy and unimaginitive. and who cares about barry's hair honestly, im excited to see how the bolts do playing with 5 forwards and a goalie, could be interesting. . . .
  7. Jay  M
    7. Posted by Jay M Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:03 pm EDT

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    Everybody is expecting big things from Stamkos but looking at his junior number he seems a tad behind some of the past greats (and number #1 picks). I think he may take a few years to find his groove...ala Vinny.
    Check out where Stamkos' (and Tavares) junior season rank in compared to some of the best junior seasons of all time.
    http://waikikihockey.blogspot.com/2008/08/next-next-one.html
  8. Arthur B
    8. Posted by Arthur B Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:44 pm EDT

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    Rufty has it right. With Vinny and St. Louis being the faces of the team, that should take the pressure off Stamkos. On the other hand, they did trade away one of the best defensemen in the leauge with Boyle. So with all the new faces it will be interesting to see when and if they all click.
    Oh and for all you Detroit fans----Too bad the team doesn't feed half the city since there are no jobs up there. Screw the Wimgs----GO LIGHTNING !!!!!!
  9. Kawsmoe
    9. Posted by Kawsmoe Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:10 pm EDT

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    Bubbabanjo is right, Tampa is a great place to see hockey. How many other places can you go and see a hockey game in 70 degree weather? The northerners are just pissed they have to get up early to shovel snow. Go Bolts.
  10. iliketomakewerewolfmovies
    10. Posted by iliketomakewerewolfmovies Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:23 pm EDT

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    Barry Melrose should die in a fire. He's one of the reasons so many Americans hate hockey. Go screw.
  11. BigLeoRocks
    11. Posted by BigLeoRocks Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    @stupid is as stupid does... the wings fans can say WHAT EVER THEY WANT! WE WON THE CUP SNATCH!!! shut yer pie hole and go fishing for mullet...
  12. BigLeoRocks
    12. Posted by BigLeoRocks Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    friggin douche...
  13. flynnstallion
    13. Posted by flynnstallion Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    Seeing as how it angers people...GOOO WINGSSS!
  14. BigLeoRocks
    14. Posted by BigLeoRocks Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    i have a signed b probert pic from training camp when they did it in flint...bruise brothers live on!!!!
  15. BigLeoRocks
    15. Posted by BigLeoRocks Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    turn on nhl network.....watch the mastery...watch the skill.....HATE US....you bruised vagina's
  16. BigLeoRocks
    16. Posted by BigLeoRocks Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    Somebody tell me a better 1-2 combo than hank z and pavel datsuk. if you find one.....you are a liar!!!!
  17. roho
    17. Posted by roho Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:48 pm EDT

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    Must be wings fans are afraid of the "new" Bolts.
  18. Bruise_Brother
    18. Posted by Bruise_Brother Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:55 pm EDT

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    OMG yes fear the mullet!!!! LMFAO!!!
    GO WINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  19. A Yahoo! User
    19. Posted by A Yahoo! User Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    a better 1-2 combo you ask?
    lecavalier - st. luis
    go bolts!
  20. gbrobagelman
    20. Posted by gbrobagelman Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:06 pm EDT

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    BubbaBanjo......you stink.... ha ha..
  21. tpa hockey fan
    21. Posted by tpa hockey fan Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    As a Tampa Season ticket holder, we suffered through watching a relatively good team finish dead last.
    Our first step is to get to the playoffs again. The Wings were the best team last year for sure, they would have crushed us any day of the week. But, it's a new season and we all start even. Can't wait to get going again!
  22. Bubbabanjo
    22. Posted by Bubbabanjo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

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    Why yes...................yes I do. Thank you. I'm a skunk.
    Wyshynski you stink!
  23. 5 4 fighting
    23. Posted by 5 4 fighting Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    I will agree that 100 points is well above anybodys expectation,. but for his rookie year I can see a 50 point season with no problem. That could put him in the company of some very good players, namely Kovalchuk Iginla Zetterberg Gaborik Lecavalier Spezza Thorton just to name a few.
  24. WingeyDo
    24. Posted by WingeyDo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:56 pm EDT

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    melrose + stamkos = beautiful???
    whatever!
  25. WingeyDo
    25. Posted by WingeyDo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:56 pm EDT

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    Looking at this arrogent picture is disgusting.
    This is Hockey not basketball and buttman needs to be ousted.
    This promising rookie has proven nothing yet in the NHL and is given a "big head" in the name of cheap promotion. True greats prove it first... True greats are also not arrogent.
    With a big head, this kid (and Crosby) will never reach full potential, thanks to buttman.

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