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"To engage in sexual intercourse where ejaculation has previously occurred in the orifice by another male within a short time frame. The sperm and semen is then used as a natural lubrication by the second male." - Entry for "Sloppy Seconds" from UrbanDictionary.com

The definition above is provided not for shock value but by indirect request. While many of the comments on our stories about the indefinite suspension of Sean Avery and the NHL's shortsighted reaction have been of the freedom of speech/League overreaction variety, some have made the point that his comments (video) are quite misogynistic. With dictionary context (albeit Urban Dictionary), you can see why some feel that way.

Does this frat-boy taunt warrant an NHL suspension? Of course it doesn't. But don't misunderstand my defense of Avery: It does warrant some type of discipline. It's a violation of team rules, and likely a violation of his team contract. (Did Brett Hull and the Stars have the good sense to write behavior clauses into Avery's four-year deal? And if so, what's the trigger for a potential buyout?)

Notice the word "team" in the paragraph above. Again, the NHL going after Avery for his joke elevates what should be a locker-room issue to Gary Bettman's kangaroo court of suspension injustice. If it's an issue of player safety in the Dallas Stars' game against the Calgary Flames last night, then the NHL has some obligation to take action ... although if that were the case, Ian White shouldn't be allowed to play the Atlanta Thrashers for the next two seasons.

If it's an issue about Avery's behavior and his crude humor, then the NHL has overreached, overreacted and turned Avery into a martyr instead of allowing the Stars to muzzle him as they see fit -- in the process, saving the League from the backlash. How Mirtle doesn't see the difference between a team suspending Avery for "sloppy seconds" and the League suspending him is baffling to me.

The venerable editor of From the Rink is just one of dozens of pundits, bloggers and sports media to weigh in on Avery today. The reactions have really, really been surprising and insightful.

James Mirtle, From the Rink - "NHL right to suspend Avery"

What if his next move is to dump on the daughters of opposing general managers? What if he does it when the Stars next game is against the Canadiens? And, hey, let's make fun of ol' Walter Gretzky while we're in Phoenix, too!

That is not how you build a brand. It's a sideshow, plain and simple, and if you rely on the Averys of the NHL to determine where the line is and if they can cross it, we're heading into ugly territory indeed.

And, at some point, someone might even try to make Avery the league's latest version of Steve Moore.

Eric McErlain, The Sporting Blog - "Sean Avery's 'Sloppy Seconds' Suspension Raises New Punishment Questions for the NHL"

What exactly do you do with Avery? Sure, we've established that he's an absolute jerk, but how many games are you going to suspend him for tossing schoolyard insults in public -- especially as the league seems to be predisposed to turning a blind eye to a cavalcade of questionable hits that could very well have put a premature end to the career of any number of players?

So what's the more heinous action: an admittedly distasteful comment aimed at an opponent and uttered before the cameras or an elbow delivered to the head of a helpless opponent with his back turned?

Ben Kuzma, Canwest - "NHL ignoring real troublemakers"

Now, let me see if I've got this straight. The NHL has had its head stuck in the sand while attempting to legislate hits to the head. A graded scale of penalties and suspensions that can address intent and injury should be in place so careers aren't in jeopardy. But there's no real progress on that front to adopt stiff sanctions for any shot to the head.

It's the pink elephant roaming NHL head office that is being ignored.

However, the league wasted no time Tuesday in citing provisions of Bylaw 17 and Article 6 of the constitution. Avery's conduct was deemed "detrimental to the league and the game of hockey." The suspension was imposed for what the NHL calls inappropriate public comments not pertaining to the game of hockey.

YouTube star Steve Dangle - "Avery is a Tool" (2:50 mark)

Gord from Front of the Net - "Sean Avery, Threat To Our Children"

The imagery is not good? We just saw those Saw goalie masks earlier in the season, one of which featured a mouth being torn apart. That imagery is so much better for the League's family friendly image, than one bad joke made to the Calgary media? I don't have the numbers right offhand here, but I assume that far more people in both markets watched the NHL regular season games that featured masks with movie serial killers than the number of people that watched a midday, midweek media briefing. Without the media repeating this line, nobody knows about it. Yet, it's worse than those goalie masks?

It's misogynistic, shows a lack of respect and objectifies women? First, it's not like the League has done wonders to not objectify women, as evidenced by the continued existence of the "puck bunny." For those unfamiliar with the term, one such girl enjoys the meeting of hockey players, in the Biblical sense, as one of her favorite hobbies.

Jamie Fitzpatrick, About.com - "Avery violates hockey's trash talk rules"

Wives, girlfriends and sexual orientation are popular topics of conversation among men on skates, all part of the never-ending quest to get under the opponent's skin.

(A tradition celebrated in all its dubious glory by the dialogue in Slap Shot)

But it's a private conversation. The rules of trash talk dictate that the salty stuff stays on the ice, for players' ears only.

So in the hockey world, Sean Avery's sin isn't what he said. It's where he said it: in front of TV cameras.

Arthur Staple, Newsday - "Bring Sean Avery back to New York"

Give me a break. You're telling me Hicks hadn't heard a word about Avery's penchant for classlessness before he approved the $15.5 million over four years?

Count Hicks as another hypocritical, clueless owner. He had no problems with Avery in July, despite the long list of behavior issues. Now, the Stars have a higher standard.

So, if the Stars are so mortified by Avery and want to be done with him, what's next? How about a Rangers reunion?

Tim Sassone, Daily Herald (IL) - "Who's on third (line)?"

The Dallas Stars stink and maybe Sean Avery is the reason why.
Dallas signed Avery to a four-year, $15 million contract as a free agent and all he has been is trouble. Avery was suspended by the NHL indefinitely on Tuesday for making inappropriate comments about Calgary defenseman Dion Phaneuf and his girlfriend, actress Elisha Cuthbert, who once dated Avery.

Even Mike Modano thinks Avery is a goof. Mike Modano, who is the Dallas Stars!

If the Stars had any guts they'd buy out Avery right now and try to save their season.

Joe DeLessio, New York Magazine - "Plaxico Burress and Sean Avery Suspended for Two Very Different Reasons"

Avery was suspended indefinitely (pending a meeting with the commissioner) for violating a bylaw on conduct "detrimental to the league or the game of hockey." In Avery's defense, there is a pattern: Cuthbert also reportedly dated the Montreal Canadiens' Mike Komisarek, and another ex - model Rachel Hunter - is engaged to the Kings' Jarrett Stoll. What is the sports world coming to? You can't carry a loaded gun into a nightclub or make fun of your ex-girlfriend in front of TV cameras? We're telling ya, it's a police state out there.

Richie Whitt, Dallas Observer - "Sean Avery Got Suspended? For What?!"

I know Avery is the most hated man in hockey and he's well on his way to alienating himself from the entire Stars' room with his on- and off-ice shenanigans, but this suspension amounts to making a pile out of profanity. Wait. It's not even profanity.

Raise your hand if you've never used the term "sloppy seconds". Raise it higher if you've never indulged. I won't even ask if you'd re-trace Avery's footsteps to Cuthbert.

Over, above and separate, Avery's line was funny. No?

Sorry, I don't get it. Jerry Jones didn't as much as admonish Pacman Jones for getting in an alcohol-induced fight with his own bodyguard at a local hotel and Mark Cuban didn't punish Josh Howard for his vulgar disrespect of our national anthem, but Tom Hicks will suspended Avery for this?

Finally, Wrap Around Curl is one of our favorite members of the burgeoning (and seriously underappreciated) ranks of female hockey bloggers. She sent along this observation over e-mail. (If you have one, send it along, too.)

So I have been thinking about the Avery Issue. While I think his comments were hilariously inappropriate, what has been most interesting is the blogger reaction. I have noticed a good lot of responses from the writing folk and talking head folk look at the sex issue. Words like sexism and feminism are being batted around. And I won't lie, for me for, for the most part, a dude writing about chick issues is just weird.

One blogger said Avery was suspended for misogyny, which shows just how this issue has grown. I am not entirely sure it was misogyny per se. But I would advise those wishing to speak for female fans to consider their words. As we are all not to be lumped together under the feminist umbrella.

We all could be feminists sure. But have you ever been around a bunch of feminists? They can't agree on [expletive]. I dropped a women's study class after two days because it's too much. It's just a charged topic. Not even my female blogger core has the same viewpoint on S-Avery.

So is the issue at hand the man whore vs. the slut? I mean, Cuthbert and Avery have been around the block. Last I knew, a sloppy second could apply to a male or female. But now it's being called sexist because Avery said it.

I am just getting flashes of when female hockey fans are put into their own bubble and people just get too angry for anything to be accomplished or settled. I just think dudes need to slow their roll before deciding to comment on behalf of women. For the most part they have done a great job (you and Mirtle especially) and it's clear there is more to the issue.

I think about stuff despite writing about fake boyfriends.

Clearly the internets are serious business. 

Indeed they are. If you see any more interesting takes on the Avery matter, send them our way and we'll pop them into the headlines today. Thanks for reading.

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  1. Curt S
    1. Posted by Curt S Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:32 pm EDT

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    This just in! Sean Avery shot off his mouth and hit Plaxico Burress in the leg. The NFL would like to divulge ultra-specific information regarding the injury but for now the NHL has stated that Burress will be day-to-day with a lower body injury.
  2. knucklehead
    2. Posted by knucklehead Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    Thanks UrbanDictionary.com, I had to spit out a mouth full of chewed up Honey-Nut Cheerios...
  3. Benny
    3. Posted by Benny Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:59 pm EDT

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    Isn't this the same Sean Avery that was nailing Calvin Klein's ex-wife Kelly Klein, who, by the way, is 51 years old? And wasn't Racheal Hunter married to Rod Stewart for ever? I'd much rather be in Dion's shoes with the sloppy seconds he's getting than Avery looking to knock the cobwebs of some old bag. Bill Clinton better keep an eye on Hillary when the Stars are in town. What a total douche.
  4. Bustin Chopz
    4. Posted by Bustin' Chopz Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:39 pm EDT

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    There is little doubt that Sean Avery, despite all of his instigation and goalie-taunting tactics, will now be forever remembered forever as alluding to leaving certain bodily fluids in certain bodily cavities for the certain body parts of a certain Calgary defenseman.
  5. flyersmikey
    5. Posted by flyersmikey Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:16 pm EDT

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    Totally agree with P.D. Once again Bettman has shown what a complete idiot he is. This is a team matter let the Stars handle it or for that matter the Flames.Bettman will never understand the code of hockey.He will always be a marketer.He did one thing though he probably saved Avery the beating of his life.Just off the subject here the allstar voting is a joke. 3 Canadiens are leading the voting and they cant shoot it in the ocean.
  6. MstrB
    6. Posted by MstrB Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:29 pm EDT

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    Got suspended because everyone is tired of him beign a dick, plus this is the same Avery who hit on Paris Hilton. Of course had he not been suspended, he'd probably be in a coma right now.
  7. split29_2005
    7. Posted by split29_2005 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:43 pm EDT

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    Greg, I think you should ask Bettman to review the movie Slapshot to see if it needs to be suspended.
  8. Big Moose
    8. Posted by Big Moose Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:10 pm EDT

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    Buttman should be happy ... once again everybody's talkin hockey! Sadly it's always for rwrong reasons!
    Nice way to blow 15 M$ Dallas!
  9. Mazarin
    9. Posted by Mazarin Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:24 pm EDT

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    More NHL Villany towards Avery. Granted, he shouldn't have said or did what he did, but to suspend him and not Mike Grier just goes to show how ass-backwards the NHL really is.
    I hope he and the NHLPA fight this farce.
  10. Big Moose
    10. Posted by Big Moose Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:10 pm EDT

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    btw I like all the past footage they show on tv with Elisha ... Avery is following like a puppy!
  11. AdamB
    11. Posted by AdamB Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:34 pm EDT

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    Nice plug for Honey Nut Cheerios
  12. 19Bigbird
    12. Posted by 19Bigbird Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:47 pm EDT

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    Comparing Tom Hicks to Jerry Jones or Mark Cuban, come on those two guys wouldn't know class if it slapped them in the face. Avery comments do not in any way shape or form make the game of hockey more interesting, I have always been a fan of hockey pests and their tactics to get under the other teams skin, but comments such as these belong on the ice. The thing is we all know had he'd played last night that if Phaneuf came after him he would have run scared.
  13. rr
    13. Posted by rr Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:40 pm EDT

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    Wysh, you are just as bad as Sean Avery. Look how badly you upset #2 and #4.
  14. carl_vs_mastershake
    14. Posted by carl_vs_mastershake Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:18 pm EDT

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    It realy ticks me off when people put rules on lewd or general bad behavior. It should be all or nothing. None of this You can't talk about wives, or my uncle had that disease. The reason insults have evolved in brutality is because we have become desensitized to them. If I said your mother wears combat boots would would laugh at me instead of being insulted.
    Now the everyone is missing the real issue. Avery planned to get suspended so he can go to the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show and pick up hot ladies. The man is a genius.
  15. 19Bigbird
    15. Posted by 19Bigbird Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:47 pm EDT

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    @Fwooop
    You're an idiot.
  16. carl_vs_mastershake
    16. Posted by carl_vs_mastershake Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:18 pm EDT

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    Name for Puck Daddy contributers:
    Puck Daddy's sloppy seconders.
    Seriously don't even consider it Greg.
  17. masterhaiku
    17. Posted by masterhaiku Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:10 pm EDT

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    Bettman is a putz. Worst suspension ever, even if you like or hate Avery this is a joke. What's next, suspending players for what they say on the ice? Call somebody a douchebag after he crosschecks you...suspended? Tell the ref his call sucks? Suspended! Tell the opposing goalie his wife is a lesbian? Suspended!! BWAHAhahahahahahaahahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
  18. split29_2005
    18. Posted by split29_2005 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:43 pm EDT

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    @ Rob
    Thanks buddy. You're the second guy who's told me that. Guess that makes you sloppy, huh?
  19. ag0miner
    19. Posted by ag0miner Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:46 pm EDT

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    Another overpaid nitwit who can't keep his mouth shut. This Ranger fan is glad he's Dallas's problem. Too bad for the sport media eunuchs he's not a Ranger. Two retard athletes from NY teams breaking the dumb-ass meter in one week would have been too much for them to take.
    BTW Bettman is a slimy spineless S*&t head who should be mopping floors instead of running the NHL into the ground.
  20. The Bog
    20. Posted by The Bog Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    If this was anyone but Avery he wouldn't be suspended. I think they did this so that in the future, no one would make such an idiotic comment that would offend certain people and make the league look like the WWE. If they didn't come down on him Chris Jericho would put on skates for the Thrashers and call the Girl Next Door a filthy dirty rotten bottom feeding trash bag ho.
    Actually, that sounds awesome, sign me up for that.
  21. psmoker43
    21. Posted by psmoker43 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:20 pm EDT

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    Honestly, posting an UrbanDictionary definition in the header of your column? Can't the bulk of your readers figure out decades-old slang for themselves using the wonders of modern technology?
    And Mirtle is right, the NHL had to step in even if the Stars were already going to do the same because the league needs to send a message to all its players that this is a league-level disgrace, not a team-level embarrassment. He might not have meant the term in the most "literal" sense, as depicted by your super-descriptive column header, but every player should be reminded that they are to be acting as professional athletes acting and ambassadors of the game when speaking to any member of the media.
    The hypocrisy of it all is that Avery has said much worse in the past with far less serious consequences, including racial slurs and stabs at the health of other players. The sad part is that this isn't going to impact Avery's conscious in the least, and that the mainstream media will continue to point at goons like Avery as average hockey players instead of as an exception to the rule. Ship this fool to the KHL already!
  22. Symo
    22. Posted by Symo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:04 pm EDT

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    Imagine that. Avery shooting off his mouth. Gosh, and gee willikers! And he almost cussed to boot!! Overall, it's what he's prone to do, which broke rules so the suspension is appropriate, but I agree with those who say that it should be handled in-house, by the Stars. Clearly the players aren't behind his antics, and if Modano is saying "if" he comes back, then that'll speak volumes about how the players themselves can (and should) deal with this type of distraction in the future. The players on the team and then the management should vote him off the island, not just off the ice.
    I personally find his antics immature and rarely funny, but the cojones to do so regularly in front of the cameras speaks volumes about what he's trying to accomplish... and frankly, if he's trying to be an outward prick, to give the public and all of the players of the game reason to hate him, he's succeeding.
    It all boils down to respect, and he doesn't have it, for anybody. Someone get on the horn to his Mom so she can chime in on this... I think I'd rather take a suspension than deal with that.
  23. Jefe
    23. Posted by Jefe Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:30 pm EDT

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    How can Bettman suspend anyone for actions "detrimental to the league and the game of hockey" with a straight face? He is the epitome of actions "detrimental to the league and the game of hockey". Can we please suspend Bettman indefinitely, because IMO that would be the best thing the NHL could do to get back to real hockey and what it stands for. Immediate indefinite suspension for a crass comment during an interview that I doubt anyone was paying attention to before the MEDIA made a big deal about this? Are you serious? Maybe Bettman should suspend the media for leaking this out and being "detrimental to the league and the game of hockey". What an efing joke! Most people's first response was that they didn't even know what he meant. I wasn't like he shot himself in the leg or raped a stripper or tested positive for steroids. This was obviously a pathetic suspension to appease the DBags in the NHL that were disappointed that Avery stopped fighting so they couldn't suspend him. I do not like Avery at all and I know he is the "most hated player in the NHL" (I am glad that the media got this right because he is the most hated player but not the most hated person in the NHL- that dishonor goes to Bettman) but that doesn't excuse picking on him because he is unpopular. This is so efing High School stupid. The NHL is being more sensitive then a hyperventilating Southern Baptist preacher wife. This is efing hockey not the National School of Etiquette. What next, players will have to start apologizing for checks? I think the thing that disappointed me the most was my entire team, the Stars, throwing him under the bus. I don't care if he is banging your wife and is in trouble for shooting a federal judge, he is your teammate and you are SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT YOUR TEAMMATES! You can show support without agreeing with his antics. What he did was nothing in this case and the league's response was beyond cruel and unusual, why couldn't anyone of his teammates grow a pair and stand up for him? Stars I am really disappointed in y’all right now, and considering how the season has gone thus far that really says something.
  24. Vaynard
    24. Posted by Vaynard Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:47 pm EDT

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    They say "what goes around, comes around". I think that Avery will get what's coming to him if he keeps spouting off at the mouth. I hear that the Flames are going to play the Stars 3 more times this year, guarantee that Avery will be playing in at least one of them. The way it looks right now, if one of the players from another team doesn't put Avery down, one of his own teammates will... This guy has re-engineered the word "Douche". I can understand trash talking someone about that kind of stuff while on the ice, but when the attacks become personal and are aired on national television, that is just bad form.
  25. txthuunder
    25. Posted by txthuunder Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:25 pm EDT

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    This issue begs the question..."Seriously?!?"

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