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"If it comes to choosing between Malkin and Staal, Staal would be cheaper (though not cheap), and Malkin would fetch a better return in a trade. Not that I'd advocate dealing a 21-year-old wunderkind who might turn out to be the best hockey player on the planet, but from a Penguins' perspective, this seems like a logical train of thought." - Joe Starkey, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Starkey's pot-stirring column is predicated on two thoughts that are certainly up for debate. The first is that the Pittsburgh Penguins would be somehow forced into dealing Evgeni Malkin should they sign Marian Hossa and Jordan Staal, even though Malkin has been talking about a multi-year contract that wouldn't break the bank at Ovechkin levels.

The second is that Malkin is a burgeoning egomaniac, unable to handle the cult of celebrity surrounding Sidney Crosby and desirous to be the big cheese in another NHL city -- because, you know, he's really thrived in the spotlight. "How long will Malkin want to play rhythm guitar instead of lead?" asks Starkey, apparently unfamiliar with the livelihood of one Keith Richards.

All this Malkin stuff aside, the Penguins are playing a dangerous game with the future of their payroll. As you know, Mirtle and I don't agree on everything, but we agree on the Penguins signing Hossa: Inking him until he's 36 years old when you have several players under 24 that need massive pay raises is just bad business.

I don't believe keeping Hossa will cost the Penguins Malkin, because I feel like they'd rather become a top-heavy team like Tampa Bay before they watch Geno skate away to a rival. But even at a presumed discount, Hossa's deal will have several years of repercussions, so why risk it?

Several writers have recently answered that question like this: Whatever Sidney Crosby wants, Sidney Crosby gets; salary implications be damned.

When Crosby signed his extension in July 2007, it was more than an adventure in numerology surrounding "87." His $8.7 million salary cap hit per season was an attempt to allow the Penguins to continue to surround him with the right talent to win. Hossa is obviously the kind of talent Crosby had in mind; the Kurri to his Gretzky. The always entertaining Mark Madden of the Beaver County Times believes bringing Hossa back would be a high-end gift to the captain:

Ownership leaned on general manager Ray Shero to get Hossa and may now be doing the same by way of wanting to keep him. That's not a bad thing. Mario Lemieux knows how to win, and Penguins fans should be overjoyed anytime Ron Burkle's desire for championships manifests itself.

You need a big-time sniper to win championships. Hossa is a big-time sniper, one who finally distinguished himself in the playoffs with 12 goals in 20 games. The Penguins don't anticipate any problem keeping Crosby for the balance of his career, but giving Crosby a gift that keeps on giving for seven years sure wouldn't do the cause any harm. Just making a genuine big-money bid to keep Hossa should resonate well with Crosby.

But the real question is whether Crosby's influence with the Penguins is so significant that he could be driving, directly or indirectly, the campaign to sign Hossa. That's what primoz forever is getting at in what the blog clearly labels a conspiracy theory:

Does Crosby have a say in Pittsburgh personnel moves? DOES HE? He so does, doesn't he random figure I am directing these questions at. Think about it people, Hossa poses no threat to Crosby's longterm reign of terror and his involvement ensures Crosby's point crown for the duration of Hossa's contract. If Malkin stays he certainly won't have the luxury of an All-Star scorer on his wing. F--king Crosby. I hope Malkin haunts you for years to come, ya traitorous, hairless bastard.

Yikes. Don't hold back so much next time. Only Sidney Crosby could stoke this level of paranoid emotion in fans.

While I don't buy the fact that Crosby would urge the Penguins to retain Hossa as some sort of stats-based spite to Malkin, there's no question that he understands the value of an all-star wingman. And by that I mean Mario probably has VHS tapes of he and Jagr combining for 300 points a season playing on a continuous loop at casa de Lemieux.

The Penguins should stay away from Hossa, but don't blame Crosby if they can't and certainly don't blame him if the team sheds some good young talent because of this decision. No, the Penguins' brass only have themselves to blame; as Steven Ovadia writes today on Puck Update, Pittsburgh was "one of the NHL teams asking for a salary cap so they could afford to hold onto their young talent." You reap what you sow.

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  1. Mitch
    1. Posted by Mitch Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:52 pm EDT

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    Oi vey, what a predicament. I wonder if Hossa would take a one year deal to get one more crack at the cup with the Pens since Staal's and Malkin's deals wouldn't be in effect until next year. They wouldn't be able to retain as many roleplayers but would keep those big guns.
    What a predicament. I almost wish to not read any hockey news until the season starts because I'll just be questioning every move Shero makes. I don't think there is a right way to go about anything here, just roll the dice and hope.
  2. Brad_Lee
    2. Posted by Brad_Lee Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:10 pm EDT

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    I would say Staal still has a lot of value in trade and would not necessarily burn you by cashing him in. You have to keep Malkin...he showed that when Sid went down this season. He needs to get stronger and I think his Finals performance showed he was exhausted.
    In the end, I think Hossa is a luxury. Is he nice to have, sure. Will they still win without him, absolutely.
  3. DetroitCity
    3. Posted by DetroitCity Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:10 pm EDT

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    Hey Malkin! come on over to the Red Wings we'd be glad to have you and then you'll know what its like to win a Stanley Cup, and be on a Stanley Cup winning team.
  4. nickbean32
    4. Posted by nickbean32 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:37 pm EDT

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    You couldnt say it any better Brad_Lee. I completely agree
  5. tehchico
    5. Posted by tehchico Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    I'd like to to see a 3-4 year deal for Hossa. I do not want to see him getting 7 mil cap space when he's 35-36.
  6. ArrogantBastard
    6. Posted by ArrogantBastard Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:32 pm EDT

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    I'd rather see Hossa wearing a winged wheel than Malkin!
  7. JeremyPitt
    7. Posted by JeremyPitt Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    All the Penguins have to do is: Make a good one-time offer to Hossa. If he says no, he's gone. Sign Malkin, Staal, & Fleury (which Shero can probably do just fine). Say bye to Malone, Orpik, Ruuta.
    Win a Cup.
  8. Wyshynski
    8. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ArrogantBastard
    You'd rather have Hossa than Malkin? Or as a Pittsburgh fan, you'd rather see Hossa go than Malkin?
  9. Count Chocula
    9. Posted by Count Chocula Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:28 pm EDT

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    i'd like to never again see a greg wyshynski article.
  10. seabass
    10. Posted by seabass Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:08 pm EDT

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    If the choice is Malkin or Hossa, you have to take Malkin. He is younger and has more upside. Hossa would be great to have, but there are cheaper options. Maybe Radim Vrbata, he is no Hossa, but Sid could make him look good. Look what Lemieux did for Kevin Stevens.
  11. Mac
    11. Posted by Mac Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:58 pm EDT

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    Wake me up when this nightmare of an offseason is over so I can enjoy some hockey again....
  12. Doox
    12. Posted by Doox Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:47 pm EDT

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    At least we're not facing offseason problems like teams such as Columbus or the Islanders. All in all, these aren't the worst problems a team can face - having so much talent that they don't know what to do with it certainly won't rank up there.
  13. pensfox
    13. Posted by pensfox Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:40 pm EDT

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    HOOSA all the way, MALKIN WILL STAY
  14. pensfox
    14. Posted by pensfox Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:40 pm EDT

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    Sorry Detroit dream on , no way are you getting any Penguin players or anyone,else they will stay whomever we want to. Do not blame Sid, it is not all up to him i did not know he owned the team
  15. Dewman
    15. Posted by Dewman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    How could they not see this coming when they traded Christensen, Armstrong, Esposito, and a high draft pick for a guy they KNEW they would not be able to afford to sign, or if they did sign him they wouldn't be able to afford other guys. Sure this may all work out it the end, but I said this at the time the trade was made... If the Pens don't win the Cup, this will go down as one of the worst trades EVER. I really didn't expect the Pens to get as far as they did, mostly because I underestimated how horrible the Eastern Conference really is. In reality, the Pens would have gotten just as far without Hossa. Sure he had a great playoffs, but the real reason Pittsburgh made it so far was because of the horrible teams they played to get there.
  16. ihatemcmahon
    16. Posted by ihatemcmahon Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:23 pm EDT

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    Having both Hossa and Malkin can work for a couple of years. Especially if Malkin's contract starts lower and makes a big jump after 2 years or so. Realistically, I don't think anyone believes that both Sid and Geno will spend their whole careers in Pittsburgh, but all the rumors about Malkin being traded any time soon are kind of foolish. In two years, they can put together a blockbuster, but, for now, they can keep him.
    If Hossa signs, they will lose Malone and probably Orpik, but would anyone actually rather have Malone on the team than Hossa? Malone finally developed into what he is supposed to be this year, and I think he's got a great future ahead of him (as long as he's on a decent team), but Hossa's just plain better.
  17. andrewr
    17. Posted by andrewr Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:58 pm EDT

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    I am surprised no link has made between "the taking Fleury to arbitration" and Hossa rumors surfacing on top of one another. I think they must be trying to keep Hossa.
    I can't see how you let a Malkin go. Sign him long term. Take Fleury and Staal to arbitration to stave off the big offer sheets until their last year of RFA status. Be top heavy and hope the cap increases fast enough that 9*3 million doesn't tie your hands.
    Another option is to trade Gonchar who has 2 years left on his contract at 5 million a year (cap number). That would gather some interest. Let's say to SJ who has enough young (cheap) wingers. Pittsburgh has 7 forwards and 7 Dmen signed for next year. Move Gonchar whose real value is the PPG. Move Malkin back there and let Sid and Malkin kick the puck back and forth.
  18. lord_fatal_80
    18. Posted by lord_fatal_80 Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:56 pm EDT

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    Welll this is a tough situation. I think Hossa and Malkin will both stay. Malkin has no problem playing 2nd's behind Crosby, because he doesn't like to deal with the media and he wants his family to move to Pittsburgh. As it comes to affording them, yeah the Penguins will be able to make room to keep them under the cap. Ray Shero is a genius when it comes to this. Then again, maybe I'm just dreaming. I just can't wait for some contracts to be signed.
  19. Max_Powers
    19. Posted by Max_Powers Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:33 pm EDT

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    Dewman, how many times do you need to be told to look up the Pens record against teams from the West? They got where they did by playing hockey and trading well. They will do it again, just with a different cast of players. This is a good team whether you like it or not. Keep making excuses for their success, it will make you look silly in the end.
  20. James M
    20. Posted by James M Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    Hey, Pens-keep them all. Ya lost with them this year, and you'll lose with them next year. This may be rubbing it in a little to much, but dang, it was fun to write.
    Do what we do in Detroit, find a draft pick, oh say, around 209-210, somewhere about there, and turn them into a great player. Repete this process every year or so, and Wa-la...Stanley Cup
  21. DetroitCity
    21. Posted by DetroitCity Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:10 pm EDT

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    hey pensfox still harbouring some sour grapes but if the pens drop him, then its a bidding war for malkin, and the wings can bid like anyone else for his hockey services. and I really dont think the penns management is going to check with you to see if its ok, and I dont think you or any of the pens fans have any say in what malkin does to be honest with you.
    the series is over bud and you obviously harbor some serious sour grapes please post something that doesnt reflect your obvious resentment towards Detroit, and your obvious lack of hockey knowledge.
  22. filbert
    22. Posted by filbert Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 pm EDT

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    i hope hossa rejects it there is no point staying with that crap team all they have is cry baby crosby and malkin is good. notice how it doesnt work to have 3 good players like ottawa you need a whole team
  23. Ryan M
    23. Posted by Ryan M Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:43 pm EDT

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    rydder, the sharks don't want gonchar, they're already trying to overpay for another defenseman, brian campbell
  24. Dutch
    24. Posted by Dutch Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:07 pm EDT

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    The Wings aren't getting Malkin! Neither is any other team for several years unless he's traded. The guy is 21 and has only 2 very quality years of service in the NHL, it seems some people are judging him for his lackluster play from G2 of the Flyers series on...The guy ran out of gas at seasons end in his first year and ran out of gas (got sick whatever) well into the playoffs this year. He's getting better and is definitely a core player on this team. Hossa is a nice keep, but I'd rather see a 3-5 yr. deal than 7, but as an established star he dictates the terms. Hockey minds in the Pittsburgh GM office know a lot more than me about whether there are more affordable options to Marion Hossa out there...we'll see.
    As for Detroit fans going on yada yada yada about how great the Wings are how "We" did it, how weak the East is whatever...Go Sell Ice! Christ you guys won the Cup, Good Job, Congratulations a more mature and balanced team they deserved to win, how about putting away the pom-poms til' October and see what happens. I trust the Pens management, they have winners running the show and will have winners on the Ice very soon. Finally @ Dewman, the Hossa deal never was a bad one, picking up Hossa or any trade deadline deal is to give your club a shot at making a long run, he did and so did the Pens, they wound up against probably the best team in the League in a while. As for the Wings run thru the West, Ummm I think they had it paved pretty clear as well...No Anaheim, No SJ..pretty smooth course they ran as well.
  25. Tim
    25. Posted by Tim Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:10 pm EDT

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    everyone is right on malkin...he's gonna turn out to be another jagr. even though it was great to have him in his younger years he became a burden for the pens and ultimately dragged them down years later. his ego got in the way with the pens, as it has with the rangers, and as it will with whoever picks him up next. look for malkin to be the same way, his only problem is, he can't speak enough english to order a pizza let alone know how to express angst that he will never be sidney.
    sign hossa for 3-4 years. resign staal, and make malkin prove himself before giving him money. and keep your vets, ruutu, malone, fluery (who was pens 1st move), orpik, keep those guys. and trade for a big defenseman.

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