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Ah, the plight of the Detroit Red Wings fan. A never-ending pipeline of versatile players who range from all-stars to Hall of Famers. Enough banners to fully clothe a brontosaurus. An existence defined by high expectations, glorious fulfillment and hands that smell like Admiral Akbar.

The Wings face the Pittsburgh Penguins for the second consecutive year, in an attempt to win their second consecutive Stanley Cup. We invited some of the best and brightest Red Wings bloggers to take a seat at our roundtable and preview the finals, discuss the Penguins player they most fear and to give their impressions of Penguins fans.

Joining us for the roundtable are Christy Hammond of Winging It In Motown; Matt Saler of On The Wings; George James Malik of Snapshots; blogging pioneer Paul Kukla of Kukla's Korner; Tyler from The Triple Deke; and the man, the myth, the legend ... The Chief from Abel To Yzerman.

Coming up, a spirited discussion about confidence, concerns and occasional use of the term "bandwagon."

1. Your Cup winner, the number of games, and (briefly) why they'll win.

HAMMOND: This is a tough one. My prediction is based off of the assumption that captain Nicklas Lidstrom(notes) and defenseman Jonathan Ericsson(notes) will miss no more than one game in the series and Pavel Datsyuk(notes) returns at some point. If Lidstrom, in particular, misses more my prediction goes out the window. I believe the Wings will take it in seven games. Why? The team only got better from last year's Stanley Cup squad with the addition of Marian Hossa(notes) and some young guns (Darren Helm(notes) and Ericsson) have really stepped up this postseason. It's going to be a very close series and it could honestly go either way. I'm just hoping to make it back-to-back wins for Detroit.

SALER: Detroit, in five. It sounds crazy (and maybe it is), but I just don't see even the new and improved Pens beating the Wings' defense. One thing apparently lost in the discussion about Pittsburgh's new maturity, experience and drive is that the Wings are also new and improved, with added maturity and experience for the depth players (such as Helm). And this team isn't lacking drive. If the Wings get healthy (a big, important if), Pittsburgh will make it tight, but can't beat Detroit.

MALIK: I hate making predictions, so I'll just say Detroit, and I'll throw out the usual "six games," though it might take seven. Why will the Red Wings win?  They have one more level of experience that the Penguins don't--they won the Cup last year, and their players both know the fantastic and sometimes life-changing experiences they can provide for themselves, their families, and their communities. The Wings' veterans, coach Mike Babcock included, also know how awful it feels when you win the Cup and see another team lift it the following spring, including five players who witnessed the New Jersey Devils sweep in Kris Draper(notes), Nicklas Lidstrom, Tomas Holmstrom(notes), Chris Osgood(notes), and Darren McCarty(notes) (who's along for the ride).

In the playoffs, the team that wins imposes their will upon the other team four times before it loses four times, and the Red Wings have both the team that can check the hell out of Sidney Crosby(notes), Evgeni Malkin(notes), et. al. while receiving clutch performances from so-called "depth" players ... And the Penguins' unrequited hunger for winning the Stanley Cup this time around has nothing on the Red Wings' desire to defend what's theirs -- on personal, familial, team and community terms.

The Wings want to keep the Cup for themselves, their families, their teammates (Marian Hossa and Ty Conklin(notes) included), and the citizens of greater Hockeytown. I've never experienced an outpouring of plain old hockey love like last season's Stanley Cup parade, and I believe that the Red Wings are determined to deliver a sequel to supporters who live in a region that's scraping economic bottom...

Bottom line, however, they want to keep what's theirs, and if that means kicking an even more determined opponent off the summit of hockey's Mount Everest so that they can claim the pinnacle for their own...The Red Wings should exceed the Penguins' levels of will and determination. This series is nothing less than a knock-down, drag-out dogfight on hockey's highest ground, and you don't win unless you break your opponent.

KUKLA: This series will become a classic. Wings in seven, they score late in the 3rd period or early in OT. Hockey fans will be talking about this series for a long time.

TYLER: I picked the Wings over Pens in 7 games back in October. And because I'm a self-serving hack, I'm not going to let petty things like opinion or intuition possibly get in the way of my pathetic destiny. For all you know, I might think the Pens are going to win in 3. But my official prediction reads Detroit in 7.

If I was going to offer some rational insight, I'd say that the big guns will cancel each other out, and the Dan Cleary's and Darren Helm's of the world are going to be the difference. That's a roundabout way of avoiding the obligatory usage of the word "depth" -- a word that will bludgeon hockey fans over the head in Finals previews during the next two days.

CHIEF: Red Wings in 5 and the only Pens win will be in OT in Game 3. Lidstrom will be healthy and, once again, he and Zetterberg will shut down Crosby and Malkin. Completely? No. But enough to let Detroit's forward depth prove to be a factor.

2. The player on the Penguins who most worries you and why.

HAMMOND: Evgeni Malkin. If you've seen his play this postseason or for the past two regular seasons, you'll know why I say that. I believe the Wings will be able to contain one of the two key forwards (Sidney Crosby or Malkin) and I think Malkin will give us more problems.

SALER: Sidney Crosby. The guy has been a beast so far in the playoffs and seems to have matured the most of all the Pens. He's still got a whiny streak (the Ovechkin hat trick, for example), but he's growing up and is all the more dangerous for it. But "worries" is a little strong. Detroit's team defense is second to none, and while shutting him down will be tough, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Company can handle him (and Malkin).

MALIK: Marc-Andre Fleury(notes). I have no doubts as to the abilities of Crosby, Malkin, Bill Guerin(notes), Ruslan Fedotenko(notes), Sergei Gonchar(notes), Chris Kunitz(notes) (who we know from Anaheim), Mark Eaton(notes) (plus-10, and the Wings know him from his days with Nashville) to deliver clutch, if not dominant, performances, but the Red Wings face a goaltender who, with all due respect to Jonas Hiller(notes), has become a wall. The Wings need to do what they did against Hiller peppering Fleury with 35-plus shots, and they most certainly must make sure that Fleury becomes extremely familiar with the contours of Johan Franzen(notes), Tomas Holmstrom, and Dan Cleary's hockey pants. High shot totals, traffic, tipped shots, and strong rebound retrieval for second and third scoring chances, as well as a liberal dash of net-front jam, are all essential in establishing the puck possession game which allows the Wings to grind down their opponents in the offensive zone.

KUKLA: Marc-Andre Fleury. Granted, he had a very good SCF last year but could have been better. He has shown great signs of maturity during this year's playoff run and could get on a very good roll.

TYLER: In the final minute: Max Talbot(notes). Other than that: Sidney Crosby.

It would take me four lifetimes to properly convey how terrified I am of the words "Max" and "Talbot". What he did to Wings fans with 34.7 seconds in regulation of last year's Game 5 can only be described as genocide. He killed half of Michigan.

As for Sid, I'm obviously not trying to be edgy with this pick. We spend an unhealthy amount of time bashing the guy for whining and his, eh, fighting technique -- but if you've watched him the last month, you aren't exactly worried about him sneaking up on Zetterberg's taint (can you say "taint" on Yahoo?  If not the generic "ball" or "yam"bag is fine). He's competitive as hell, and he'd rather watch Michel Therrien play naked Twister with his mom than lose to the Wings again.

The 28 points are absurd. He's also a plus-12. But what seriously has me worried is the Crosby/Malkin/Gonchar power play monster. The Wings' PK woes have been well documented, and they'll face a gargantuan task in the Finals. Malkin leads the NHL with 12 power play points, Crosby is tied with him for the league lead in PP goals (5), and 9 of Gonchar's 12 points have come via the man advantage.

CHIEF: Chris Kunitz because he has Duck in his blood. That makes him (a) very stupid but also (2) dangerous to me and my family. Obviously Thid and the invisible Geno cause concern, but the Wings will have a plan to at least minimize their impact.

3. Through your personal interactions or general impressions, briefly describe what a "Pittsburgh Penguins fan" is, in your opinion.

HAMMOND: Can't say I have any personal interactions with them for the most part. I guess I see it as two camps when it comes to Pittsburgh fans -- the bandwagoners who joined when the team drafted Sidney Crosby and those that have been around for much longer than that. The latter seem to be knowledgeable hockey fans who persevered during a rough spot with the team while the former appear to be the "I love Crosby" types who don't always know what they're talking about. But I couldn't make one general stereotype about your average Penguins fan.

SALER: Too many of them are bandwagoners, even relative to a certain class of Wings fan. Young and homerish, fanatical in the fundamentalist sense -- unable to handle contradiction or allow that any other team or player might be as good as or better than the Penguins or Crosby/Malkin. Every fan base has those types, but it seems to me, based on my admittedly narrow experience (I don't go seeking Pens fans out), that there is a higher concentration of them in Pittsburgh's. My childhood best friend is one exception that I know of.

MALIK: Penguins fans have inherited a fantastic hockey tradition and have a similar blue-collar aesthetic. The biggest difference involves the fact that most post-Jagr/Lemieux era Penguins fans have witnessed the rebirth of the Penguins as a dominant force, and their expectations and emotions reach bigger peaks and valleys than the followers of the Big Red Machine.

Most Wings fans simply expect the Red Wings to compete for the Stanley Cup each and every year because their talent level has allowed them to sustain their present level of excellence, and more than a few Wings fans subscribe to the team's, "Don't get too high when things go well, don't get too low when things go badly" mantra. I think that Penguins fans are riding a little higher in the water than Wings fans are at this point.

I think both fan bases dislike each other intensely, however, and something tells me that the interwebs will seethe and boil with bad blood and unpleasant, sometimes creative commentary over the next two weeks.

KUKLA: A defender of all things Pittsburgh Penguins. Quick to point out the greatness of Crosby and Malkin, just like any other fan base would of their home team and players.Very passionate and true to their team.

TYLER: Pens fans don't seem all that different from Wings fans. They're bipedal, breathe oxygen, and have similar sleeping and dietary patterns. From what I've observed they are as passionate about their hockey as any fanbase in the NHL, which is respectable. If I saw one on the street though I'd slit their throat.

CHIEF: I've never interacted with a Pens fan, and my conversational ability is sorely lacking due to that. But I've been working on perfecting my inflection when saying "woooooooo" so that should the opportunity arise I'll be able to keep up.

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  1. the King
    1. Posted by the King Fri May 29, 2009 3:21 pm EDT

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    Wings in 7 baby. Rock the red still applies. Cindy should never have touched that trophy!
  2. mad_bathroom_feces_bomber
    2. Posted by mad_bathroom_feces_bomber Fri May 29, 2009 3:23 pm EDT

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    Go Red Sox!
  3. meat the wad
    3. Posted by meat the wad Fri May 29, 2009 3:24 pm EDT

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    FINALLY!!!!! a blog for the winged wheel faithful!!!! thanx, wysh! btw, wings in 5!
  4. Kunal
    4. Posted by Kunal Fri May 29, 2009 3:25 pm EDT

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    snoooooze. I love overweight, unemployed 40 something year olds telling me who is going to win the cup and why...
  5. MattD
    5. Posted by MattD Fri May 29, 2009 3:25 pm EDT

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    Good set of articles there with the bloggers, Wyshynski - and good stuff all year. Thanx.
  6. the King
    6. Posted by the King Fri May 29, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    Oh and you cannot call Fleury a wall based on his play against the 'canes, who basically played way, way above thier ability and shot their wads against NJ and Boston and when they saw the pens they realized they were not going anyplace and that was exactly where they went.
  7. Pensfan
    7. Posted by Pensfan Fri May 29, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    These guys provide a good quality analysis...but it seems like their predictions are more reserved than the Pens bloggers' (kinda the opposite from last year). But they didn't do enough Pens-bashing (in a humorous way) as I would have liked....
  8. Chad
    8. Posted by Chad Fri May 29, 2009 3:27 pm EDT

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    "If I saw one on the street though I'd slit their throat." According to the Capitals organization, that should be reported to the authorities.
  9. Shoot A Moose
    9. Posted by Shoot A Moose Fri May 29, 2009 3:28 pm EDT

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    Wings in 5 GO WINGS!!!!!
  10. miah
    10. Posted by miah Fri May 29, 2009 3:31 pm EDT

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    *yawn* good stuff.
  11. miah
    11. Posted by miah Fri May 29, 2009 3:32 pm EDT

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    yea, that guy threatened to kill someone. I guess the FBI should get involved!
  12. Daniel C
    12. Posted by Daniel C Fri May 29, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    the red wings' penalty kill had the same personnel as last years' playoffs. how's that working out for them in this year's playoffs? just because the matchup on paper looks like it favors the red wings compared to last year doesn't mean you can forget the most important part of hockey: the emotional aspect. the pens are hungry and not intimidated, which could not be said about last year. of course this escapes the pompous asses that blog about the red wings, but that's why they're just bloggers.
  13. edicius
    13. Posted by edicius Fri May 29, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    I'm still not sold on Fleury being able to backstop the Pens to a Cup, honestly. In fact, if you look at him just stats-wise, he's well eclipsed by Osgood this postseason in the major stats of GAA and SV%, with Osgood barely ahead in shutouts (1-0) and neck in neck with wins, as would be expected at this point in the postseason. Osgood's ranked #4 in SV% (Fleury's #8, barely above a .900 SV%) and #2 in GAA, just above a 2.00GAA (Fleury's ranked #7).
    That said, the Wings' offense also has an annoying habit of making even the most average goaltenders look Vezina-worthy, which could happen with Fleury. Those high shot counts (which are often quantity over quality) don't help either.
    The Pens fans I've interacted with in person (a rare breed here in Jersey) have been extremely respectful and passionate about their team. It's the ones who hide behind a keyboard on message boards that tend to be a bit, well, douche-like. But I try not to hold that against the fandom in general.
  14. Patrick
    14. Posted by Patrick Fri May 29, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    Let's go red wings!!
  15. Goatboy
    15. Posted by Goatboy Fri May 29, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    It's amazing how delusional Red Wings fans are becoming. Living in Michigan I know you all are a passionate and intelligent fandom, but to pick the Wings in five games against this year's Penguins is laughable. Last year's Penguins were in shock and awe about being in the Finals in games 1 and 2, and took far to long to regain their footing. This year's team will have no such problems, and if you remember properly games 3-6 were super competitive. The Penguins are also healthy, something Detroit is definitely not. Even if all the ailing Red Wings play this weekend, most of them aren't going to be close to 90%.
    This will be a pretty epic series, with the Penguins coming out on top.
  16. Patrick
    16. Posted by Patrick Fri May 29, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    Wysh - I am digging the first paragraph you wrote A LOT!! Who are you picking in this series anyhow?
  17. tmr
    17. Posted by tmr Fri May 29, 2009 3:35 pm EDT

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    OK I have to say it...unless someone's kindergarten kid drew those purple octopi, that is totally unacceptable.
  18. The KBBL Party Penguin
    18. Posted by The KBBL Party Penguin Fri May 29, 2009 3:37 pm EDT

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    Tyler, Ted Leonis has informed the local police of your threat to slit the throat of a random stranger (He's just that concerned about acts of violence being acted upon by those on the internet). Seeing as everything said on the internet is true, you will be formally charged with attempted 1st degree manslaughter.
  19. habs1rule
    19. Posted by habs1rule Fri May 29, 2009 3:38 pm EDT

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    Toot Toot!! Gary Thison is a really funny dude too!! First two games will determine alot..Wings win both at home and it may go Five...Split gets you a long series..!!
  20. habs1rule
    20. Posted by habs1rule Fri May 29, 2009 3:40 pm EDT

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    PS...Datsyuk on Croaby, and bring over Franzen to play center vs Malkin, just like you did when you put him on Getzlaf..If they negate each other, Detroits Depth wins the series..
  21. Da C
    21. Posted by Da C Fri May 29, 2009 3:41 pm EDT

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    Heck, for a cup I might even play naked twister with Michael Therrien!
  22. Joshua W
    22. Posted by Joshua W Fri May 29, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    Uh-oh. This tyler guy just made a threat on teh interwebz. Better call the local authorities on him.
    Oh wait, he didn't actually mean it? huh... The internet never liez.
  23. knucklehead
    23. Posted by knucklehead Fri May 29, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    Brontosaurus' don't wear clothes.
  24. pensfan1982
    24. Posted by pensfan1982 Fri May 29, 2009 3:47 pm EDT

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    pens in six ..... and yes I am one of those fans that stuck through the sick sad years from around 98-2004 when all we could do was watch other squads playoffs while we had to deal with the likes of matthew barnaby and that hack the moose hedberg ... jesus ... we have come a looooong way baby ... its our time ...
  25. motherhumper13
    25. Posted by motherhumper13 Fri May 29, 2009 3:53 pm EDT

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    Go wings!!!!

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