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Don Sanderson had been in a coma for three weeks before dying last Friday, his injuries resulting from a hockey fight in which his helmetless head slammed onto the ice. The 21-year-old senior AAA defenseman for the Whitby Dunlops was mourned and honored during services yesterday in Ontario.

The debate that this tragedy has rekindled, however, rages on.

There have been plenty of anti-fighting pundits using Sanderson's death as a soapbox. But there have also been writers and fans like Matt Fleming of the Packet & Times that were so affected by Sanderson's death that they've flip-flopped on the fighting issue:

After the death of Don Sanderson, it can't be denied that fighting can be dangerous and it's surprising that something like this hasn't happened before. Players lose their helmets in fights all the time and fights usually end when one or both combatants fall to the ice.

And let's view fighting in hockey for what it is: bare-knuckle boxing on ice. Even in the most brutal forms of fight sport, fighters use padded gloves and matches take place on a slightly padded ring canvas, not a surface as hard as ice.

But what are staunch fighting advocates saying about the tragedy and its repercussions? When opinion pieces like "Fighting Has No Place in Hockey" are being published with frequency after Sanderson's death, it could be a seminal moment for this long-standing tradition in hockey.

David M. Singer is the founder of HockeyFights.com, one of the most popular communities on the Web for hockey pugilism enthusiasts. Until we reached out to him for comment, he had avoided any editorial analysis of the Sanderson tragedy.

Our conversation ranged from the incident that eventually took Sanderson's life to what this moment could mean for the future of fighting in the NHL.

PD: How does a guy who's built hockey's greatest digital shrine to fighting react when a 21-year-old player dies from injuries suffered in a hockey fight?

SINGER: I'm filled with nothing but sadness. He was so young, and all that I can think of is how his family and friends feel right now.

It seems as though some are treating this incident like the Brittanie Cecil tragedy: something that could act as a catalyst for radical change in hockey. In Cecil's case, she was struck by a puck and NHL arenas installed netting to protect fans. Do you believe the Sanderson tragedy will spark a similar reaction (or overreaction, depending on how one feels about it)?

Was adding netting really a radical change? While some fans may have been concerned with arena views, it didn't change the on-ice product. I don't think Mr. Sanderson's death will lead to any changes at the NHL-level, or possibly any other leagues.

The Ontario Hockey Association appears more concerned about players not "flipping their lids" than any sort of fighting ban. Do you think legislation about securing helmets could be coming at all levels of hockey after this?

Players are already ejected for fighting in the league Mr. Sanderson played in. They could add suspensions to deter players from fighting more, but a direct safety measure would be helmet-focused. Amateur leagues may look at creating or altering rules about equipment, but I doubt any professional leagues will. Many safety and equipment rules need to be approved by the players in pro leagues, and there's been no talk of change in that regard.

Anti-fighting critics appear to have amended the debate about dangerous checks and head shots by including hockey fights as a catalyst for head injuries. Do you think it's hypocritical to be outraged at hits to the head but an advocate for fighting? Do they belong under the same umbrella debate?

It may seem easy to lump it all together, but hits to the head and dangerous checks are about catching an opposing player off-guard. It's a one-way action, and there's little that the opposing player can do other than "keep his head up." With fights, it's generally mutually agreed upon. In one instance, a player is caught off-guard, in another he's not. Willingness by the players is the key difference.

As we've seen in the past during headline-grabbing incidents, there's police involvement in the Sanderson matter. As a hockey fan, this scares the bejeepers out of me, because there's always been the understanding that what happens in the rink stays in the rink (unless you're Todd Bertuzzi). But writers like Ken Campbell of The Hockey News believe that if the Leagues won't get rid of fighting, it could be up to the government to legislate it out. What are your thoughts of, for lack of a better term, "Imperial interference" in hockey?

Police involvement seems like just a formality in this situation. Outside of premeditation, or an irregular act (most likely involving stick or skate), there's little police activity. It'd be awfully difficult for government to legislate against fighting in one sport while allowing it as the sole purpose in others (boxing, martial arts).

Sports should govern themselves. I'm not interested in seeing hockey, or any other sport ruled by politicians.

Campbell also said the Sanderson injury wasn't an accident. Do you consider it an accident?

I'd consider it a freak, and obviously tragic accident. To imply otherwise is to take hockey fights out of context; and unless Mr. Sanderson's opponent, Cory Fulton, was purposely trying to use the ice to hurt Mr. Sanderson, this is very much an accident.

Do you even think about a fighting death in the NHL? Why or why not?

I don't think about a fighting death, but I suppose it's because I don't think about death and sports in general. I've seen players seriously maimed and injured over the years in all sports, but I've never watched a game thinking it could happen. Inevitably death will strike sports, especially contact sports, like hockey or football, all with different circumstances.

Can you ever envision a National Hockey League without fighting? What would happen, on the ice and off the ice, if the NHL curbed it to the point of non-existence? 

While I wouldn't rule out seeing fighting banned one day, I hope it doesn't come to that. I watch a lot of different hockey and NHL hockey is by far my favorite. The style of game, which includes a lot of contact and fighting, paired with the skill level of the players makes it the best league in the world. The play in international leagues just seems muted in comparison.

One thing to also remember is that rules banning fighting don't amount to no fighting.

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  1. Tito "TD" O'Dell
    1. Posted by Tito "TD" O'Dell Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 pm EDT

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    Another great read Wysh. You're so [profane]ed prolific lately that I'm gonna get fired for spending all morning reading you. You type faster than I read.
    Btw, what's the significance of that Isles/Rangers photo that you've published twice?
  2. Tito "TD" O'Dell
    2. Posted by Tito "TD" O'Dell Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 pm EDT

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    Sorry, I meant gosh-darned.
  3. Wyshynski
    3. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ Huet's seen nuthin' yet --
    1. Type hockey fights into Getty Images search
    2. Forget that you've already run the photo.
    3. Profit.
  4. Tito "TD" O'Dell
    4. Posted by Tito "TD" O'Dell Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 pm EDT

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    Thanks, I never actually knew what Phase 2 was.
    What I meant was, did that Ranger guy get hurt, or something?
  5. Sobu
    5. Posted by Sobu Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:31 pm EDT

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    It's a sad accident, but nothing wrong happened, and nothing happened that may not have happened normally in a game even without fighting.
  6. sarge
    6. Posted by sarge Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:02 pm EDT

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    This was one random incident out of how many fights in hockey? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Millions?
    If a pitcher in baseball beaned a guy in the temple and that guy died, would baseball ban pitching? If a football player got hit in the head and died, would football ban hitting?
    When Dale Earnhardt died in his wreck, did NASCAR ban driving or crashing?
    The answer is 'No', and the answer in hockey should also be 'No'. The other sports may have amended their punishments or safety regulations/equipment, but the game and the acts themselves were not banned.
  7. joe h
    7. Posted by joe h Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm EDT

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    Nah. Voros is like one of those sand-weighted, stand-up punching bags you had as a kid. You can't hurt it. It just takes punishment, goes down for a second and come up. Never punches back though.
  8. Curt S
    8. Posted by Curt S Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:32 pm EDT

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    Good piece. While I don't mind fighting in hockey as a rule I wouldn't mind seeing the end of the fightER in hockey. I think the frequency of fights is higher than it should be and while there is really no way to mandate it, I would like to see the role of fighter disappear. There doesn't appear to be any serious correlation between fights and success, it worked for the Ducks the year they won the cup but NOT having fighters doesn't seem to have hurt the Red Wings over the years. I've always been against taking fighting out of hockey but Don's passing might have changed my opinion.
  9. Tito "TD" O'Dell
    9. Posted by Tito "TD" O'Dell Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 pm EDT

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    Thanks joe. I wasn't sure I was if I was looking at Voros or an old Steve Thomas pic (where he wore an alternate jersey number?).
    I'm not the brightest.
  10. Tito "TD" O'Dell
    10. Posted by Tito "TD" O'Dell Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 pm EDT

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    How come every time I re-read my own posts, I sound sarcastic?
    Even this one, apparently.
  11. Hans Gruber
    11. Posted by Hans Gruber Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:58 pm EDT

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    I find it hard to say it was an accident. When you are throwing punches at someone you can't actually make me beleive it to be an invitation to sing Kum-Ba-Ya. No you are trying to knock the living snot out of the person your are fighting.
    That being said, he was a willing combatant and the way his head hit the ice if very unfortunate. Police action should not be involved in hockey unless it is absolutley neccessary like some beer league moron breaking his stick over an unsuspected opponents head for example.
  12. Tito "TD" O'Dell
    12. Posted by Tito "TD" O'Dell Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 pm EDT

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    Recover? Like you did at Easter, you mean?
    At least this particular spammer tried to contribute content.
  13. Tito "TD" O'Dell
    13. Posted by Tito "TD" O'Dell Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 pm EDT

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    OK, that didn't work. Changing your screen name from Christ to faaase is the biggest scam since the Shroud of Turin.
  14. Pepper
    14. Posted by Pepper Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:35 pm EDT

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    I know it sounds insensitive, but that protective netting continues to be a source of frustration for this fan. I always go out of my way to find seats not obstructed by the nets. And its a definite visual obstruction, make no mistake.
  15. josh c
    15. Posted by josh c Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:41 pm EDT

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    "One thing to also remember is that rules banning fighting don't amount to no fighting."
    Yeah, and rules banning guys from sneaking up behind opposing players and cheapshotting them don't amount to no cheapshotting either. So, I guess we really shouldn't even bother, and just let the players behave however they want to behave, huh?
    For that matter, laws against murder don't amount to no murder. Why don't we rescind those, while we're at it, since they're clearly not working.
  16. David MS
    16. Posted by David MS Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:38 pm EDT

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    @josh c - That's taking it out context. The point was simply that leagues that ban fights still have them.
  17. Sobu
    17. Posted by Sobu Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:31 pm EDT

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    Andrew V.,
    It is most definitely an accident as no player during a fight tries to slam the other guy's haed against the ice. It was a freak occurance that could have happened just as easily during a rough legal hit. Sure some player punch with intent to break facial bones, and others hit with seemnig intent to make percussive noises (a russian dance no doubt?) but no one uses the ice as a weapon during a fight.
    The guy just hit the ground wrong and that's what did it. Nothing else.
    It's sad that he had to die, but things happen, and when you are exerting yourself as hard as athletes do you're extremely prone to severe injury and even death. All athletes know it and still play on.
  18. Munkcy
    18. Posted by Munkcy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:21 pm EDT

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    The most I can see happening - at least I hope - is making it a penalty to willingly take your helmet off prior to a fight. The punishment could be the same as the "fight strap" - a game misconduct.
    But make no mistake about it: fighting is a part of hockey. It makes the sport unique. In no way, shape or form should it be completely removed.
  19. jibblescribbits
    19. Posted by jibblescribbits Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:34 pm EDT

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    I agree with nearly everything that Mr. Singer said above, but this statement has always bothered me:
    "Sports should govern themselves. I'm not interested in seeing hockey, or any other sport ruled by politicians."
    Why are athletes not supposed to be beholden to the laws of the land while they are performing their task. Obviously fighting is permissible in hockey so charging someone with battery for being in a hockey fight is absurd. If a GM bamboozles a team out of millions of dollars, shouldn't the authorities step in and not Gary Betteman? If a coach doesn't call-up a young black player because he's black why shouldn't the team be held liable for discrimination.
    The mentality that an institution should be left free to govern itself is as inherently flawed as VS. new marketing scheme. It will inevitably lead to cover-ups designed to protect the institution's image instead of actual justice and proper governing.
    Obviously in the context of fighting in hockey, certain liberties need to be made because it is a competition and, like boxing, it is intrinsic to the sport. You wouldn't charge a boxer with battery after a match. Mr. Singer makes the important distinction above, that two players who go after each other are willingly engaging in the activity with the knowledge that their actions can lead to tragedy. But to say that hockey players need only be held accountable by the league they are in, not are not obligated to follow laws while they are on the ice is a flawed principle.
    And for those wondering the entire above statement is just my excuse to use the word "Bamboozeled"
  20. Hamilton Tigers
    20. Posted by Hamilton Tigers Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:10 pm EDT

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    I've played many games in the Brantford (Ontario) Civic Centre where this incident occured - and it always had the worst ice surface around. I feel bad for Cory Fulton having to deal with this - it's going to wreck his life as well. I blame the crappy ice for this incident - Sanderson probably wouldn't have fallen down if it weren't for the bad ice. It was always completely chopped up from figure skating events.
  21. Paul C
    21. Posted by Paul C Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:04 pm EDT

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    Fighting is already against the rules in the NHL. It is even more seriously punished in the senior league that the Whitby Dunlops play in. These two grown men chose to have a fight (as opposed to one guy got jumped by Sidney Crosby, or one guy got sack-punched from behind by the aforementioned golden boy, but that's a comment for a different post).
    I recall an accident in Regina (go Pats) a long time ago where a player ended up paralysed after being tripped. the penalty for tripping was not raised to a 10 game suspension as a result.
  22. Shaun T
    22. Posted by Shaun T Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:17 pm EDT

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    There's no mention of people like Crosby and Iginla who have recently been fighting with their visors on. The death of Sanderson is very unfortunate but that's why players wear helmets, his death has more to do with the lack of helmet being on his head than fighting as a whole.
    I would like to hear what hockeyfight's official stance is on the cowardly practice of players hiding behind visors as they punch another visorless player?
  23. psmoker43
    23. Posted by psmoker43 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:20 pm EDT

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    What bothers me about the anti-fighting camp is that there are many other aspects of hockey that are just as dangerous - if not moreso - that no one seems as upset about despite the fact that they are just as prevalent: hits to the head, hits from behind (especially into the boards), errant high sticks, cheap shots, slew footing, the list goes on.
    Fighting in hockey isn't pretty, but I see the point in The Code when there are so many players intentionally playing dirty with obvious intent to injure, which goes completely unacknowledged and unpunished by the powers that be. Hence the "self-policing" that fighting promotes, since the league itself doesn't seem bothered enough to step in.
  24. Daniel
    24. Posted by Daniel Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:47 pm EDT

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    If players know that there's a chance that they could die doing something and they do it willingly, why would you want to stop them? And these people who changed their minds after finding out that someone really DID die (and not from fighting but from hitting the ice) did you not realize that people can die from fighting before this?
    Most hockey fights are short lived and involve trying to throw punches while heavily padded, which is just about impossible. Does anyone REALLY think hockey fights are nearly as dangerous as just about every other facet of the game?
    I'd seriously argue for going to the international rules on icing before I'd consider this. You can't tell me that more people have been hurt by a wild punch to the face than while trying to skate as fast as humanly possible to the boards while fighting off another guy...
  25. MOPO3OB
    25. Posted by MOPO3OB Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:40 pm EDT

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    It is a sad story and I feel really bad for his family, but I can't see them legislating fighting out of hockey at the professional level. Although, I think a viable solution would be that once someone losses they're helmet by accident the linesman are to stop the fight immediately. Also, anyone intentionally trying remove another player's helmet during a fight would be met with fines and possible suspension. The one problem this would cause is that guys who wear visors and fight would have a distinct advantage being that only the bottom have of their face isn't protected by hard plastic, but I think an easy solution would be that if you fight with a visor on you'd receive an automatic game misconduct (same as if your jersey isn't tied own) and fine. If you want to fight you shouldn't be wearing a visor anyway..

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