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"I'm just tired of the whole story at this point. I'm tired of Mats, I'm tired of the boo-or-cheer debate, I'm tired of reading increasingly ridiculous arguments on blogs and forums (from both sides). And I'm definitely tired of the lectures from other fans and media about how Leaf Nation should react. Save it, guys. Only Leaf fans get a vote in how they feel about all of this." - Down Goes Brown

So in summary: It's a Toronto Maple Leafs thing, and you wouldn't understand.

We can all attempt to put ourselves in the Leafs fans' shoes today, as Mats Sundin returns to Toronto for the first time as a member of the Vancouver Canucks; theorizing how we'd feel if a 13-year veteran left our respective franchises of choice and then signed a big money deal with another team.

But that's completely oversimplifying the relationship between Leafs fans and Sundin. He either did too much or not enough as a player. They either underrated him or overrated him as fans. His decision not to waive his no-trade clause last year was a feat of loyalty or insubordination. His complete inability to make a decision on his future was either an understandable struggle with retirement or an unconscionable tease. His choosing the Canucks and their massive contract makes him smart to some and a mercenary to others.

So what will Leafs fans do when he hits the ice and touches the puck tonight? We have a smattering of opinions after the jump; but if you're all now half-in-the-bag thanks to the Hockey Day in Canada drinking game, a question for the readership:

Pass or Fail: Mats Sundin should be booed in his return to Toronto.

Matt Stajan, Sundin's former teammate, thinks "he deserves a standing ovation. A long one." He also said booing Sundin is "stupid."

Toronto Star columnist Damian Cox echoed that thought earlier this week in a piece that asks for Sundin adulation as a sign that the team has moved on:

For Sundin on Saturday, however, the only reasonable response should be two-fold. The man deserves a good, hearty round of applause, with a good number of those in attendance on their feet. He may not have contributed more to the Leaf organization than Doug Gilmour or Wendel Clark, but he surely didn't contribute less and deserves similar treatment. Once the ovation is over, the Leafs should then try to knock his block off. Nothing illegal or cheap, but good, hard hockey that would leave Sundin leaving the ACC thinking it was no fun at all.

That's how to produce a strong impression that the club has turned the page on the Sundin years and is marching towards a better future with pride rather than wasting time trashing former heroes.

Stephen Johns of Torontoist expects booing, but doesn't believe it's warranted:

Seeing Sundin wearing another team's jersey is weird, like seeing an ex with their new significant other. We suspect Sundin will be booed tomorrow night, a response that would be sadly typical of a fan base which seldom gave him his due. It's ironic, since Sundin's accomplishments should be beyond reproach. He left Toronto as the team's all-time leading goalscorer and point-getter; a solid argument could be made for Sundin being the greatest Leaf ever.

Eyebleaf of Sports and The City is another voice asking for civility and appreciation for Sundin:

Don't do it. Don't let an unfortunate ending cloud your judgment. Things end. And they usually end badly. That's why they end. That's life. I ask that you don't forget what Sundin meant to you, to your city, and to your - to our - team. He always played with tremendous passion, desire, motivation, humility, and, above all else, respect. Isn't that all we could have asked for? I believe it's only right that, tonight, we show him that same respect.

Let bygones be bygones. Do the right thing: applaud Mats Sundin. Lord knows he deserves it. For once, ask not what Mats Sundin can do for you - ask what you can do for Mats Sundin.

Goodness. Sounds like everyone's calling for a lovefest tonight. Does anyone think Sundin should be jeered?

Enter Adam Proteau of The Hockey News for a point of rebelliousness:

He had the chance to depart as a beloved hero banished against his will, but instead, the rigidity of that will left him vulnerable to legitimate charges of villainy and undeniable charges of hypocrisy. He obviously never understood the value of Obi-Wan Kenobi agreeing to be struck down by Darth Vader in Star Wars, never got that you could dig in your spurs to win a battle, yet still be stuck in the mud enough to lose a war.

Ultimately, I expect any initial round of boos Sundin will hear Saturday night quickly will be drowned out by cheers of fans who are well within their right to appreciate the 13 years of loyal, classy service he provided to the team.

But I don't fault any Leafs fan for tossing raspberries and profanity-riddled verbal bon mots Sundin's way. They've got the right to do anything they want to do, just as Sundin, the great libertarian, did less than a year ago. And if they choose to jeer him, they'll be looking out for their own interests first - precisely what Sundin's last lesson taught them.

Cheer him, boo him ... we imagine Mats will have on his best poker face tonight.

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  1. Simply Sensational
    1. Posted by Simply Sensational Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:23 pm EDT

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    I wouldn't boo him
  2. Bubbabanjo
    2. Posted by Bubbabanjo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

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  3. Kvan
    3. Posted by Kvan Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:54 pm EDT

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    Hockey Day In Canada drinking game? Why wasn't I informed!
  4. Josh T
    4. Posted by Josh T Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:43 pm EDT

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    PASS, PASS, PASS... he's a douche bag who "didn't want to be a rent a player" when he could have helped the team "he loves so much", now he's just a plain old whoor... hopefully that'll pass the naughty word blocker!?
  5. diehard_wings_fan134096
    5. Posted by diehard_wings_fan134096 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:43 pm EDT

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    @josh.....
    ya could also have said he's a garden tool in order to avoid tripping the profanity sensor......
    I'm wondering if he will get the fedorov treatment from the fans.....I suspect he might so I guess I'm throwing my lot into the "pass" column....(at least I'm betting my money that he gets booed....maybe not every single shift like fedorov was when he came back to the joe but I think he will be booed once or twice..)
  6. Fin-atic
    6. Posted by Fin-atic Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:25 pm EDT

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    Sundin is good, but lets face it - he's not a guarantee for a cup. So who really cares. Toronto had him long enough to try and build something around him and failed to do so. You can't blame someone for getting tired of losing and wanting to go somewhere with a better chance of winning a cup. And the money doesn't hurt either. How many superstars do you see playing for the league minimum? They say it's not about the money, but it always is - at least a little bit.
  7. Fin-atic
    7. Posted by Fin-atic Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:25 pm EDT

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    As for the booing, I think Sundin has some class, so it would be kind of juvenile to boo him when he has given so much to that team.
  8. Teryl
    8. Posted by Teryl Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    Why boo? Do you think it is going to upset mats? (even if it did upset him why does it matter? it isn't going to bring him back to the Leafs)
  9. Josh T
    9. Posted by Josh T Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:43 pm EDT

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    @ Diehard_wings_fan134096
    Yeah, that would have worked too... but I kinda like the who-er pronunciation myself!
    Yeah, I remember Federov getting booed, I was so happy Patty Lafontaine got cheered when he came back to Buffalo... of course he was hosed by the team rather than hosing the team...
  10. jibblescribbits
    10. Posted by jibblescribbits Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:34 pm EDT

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    Man this is tough. I can't decide.
  11. Gord
    11. Posted by Gord Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    Mats Sundin should have waived his "no-trade clause" when he was asked last season. While I was disappointed that he didn't, I respected his decision. I was and still am a Sundin fan, but first and foremost I am a Leafs fan. He deserves a long and loud standing "O" tonight. This is a man who worked tirelessly for his team and always put in 110% every night. All the best to ya Mats!! GO LEAFS!!
  12. eyebleaf
    12. Posted by eyebleaf Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:57 pm EDT

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    Sundin for life...thanks for the link, Wysh.
  13. da_bomb_rko
    13. Posted by da_bomb_rko Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:38 pm EDT

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    he should be booooooooooooooooooed the shiet out oh as he is a selfish player. He did nothing for us last time i checked r last cup was 67 and he didnt even bring us to 1. second last year he screwed us and set are future back at least another 3-5 years. we could have got a first round pick plus some solid prospects. lastly he is a lier. i dont wannaq be a rental player and then wat does he do this year he frigin goes and signs with vancouver half waf thru the season. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
  14. Anthrax Jones
    14. Posted by Anthrax Jones Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:42 pm EDT

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    Penguin fans think what Sundin did is 13 times as bad as what Hossa did.
  15. blue_4_eyes
    15. Posted by blue_4_eyes Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:09 pm EDT

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    I'm a Leafs fan. It wouldn't make a difference to me if I were the only person in the entire ACC who stood up and cheered for Sundin, I still would. That's what he deserves, and much more. Despite what many Leafs fans may believe, not waiving his NTC last year says so much about what a great leader he was. Ask yourself this, what would have been better for Sundin's hockey career, being traded to Detroit and winning a cup, or sticking with the mediocrity of the Leafs?
    What would have made him look better, being traded away, and bringing in some top prospects for the Leafs, or sticking with the Leafs, and being jeered by many so-called fans who would be willing to whore any player away?
    What would be easier for Sundin, staying with Toronto and facing another fruitless, playoff-less season, and as the center of all the negative attention that inevitably went along with it, or being traded to a better team and playing as a second tier player, out of the glare of the spotlight?
    Obviously, the easy thing to do would be to agree to get traded. So why didn't he? Because he cares more about his teammates than himself. It would be easier to be traded, and in the eyes of many, he would have looked like the hero, practically a god. But at what cost? He would be abandoning his team, and with it the last glimmers of hope for a post-season berth for the Leafs. A good captain never jumps ship.
    This is the reason why he doesn't like the concept of a rent-a-player, because to go to one team, means abandoning another. That is the core difference between him signing with Vancouver as opposed to agreeing to be traded. It's not about joining a team half-way through, its about abandoning one. It was clear that re-signing with the Leafs wasn't an option, because despite what they may say, it would be counter-productive, so they weren't interested. When he chose to sign with Vancouver, he wasn't leaving behind another team, and thanks to Vancouver's cap space, no one had to be traded in order for him to sign. So he did absolutely nothing wrong.
    Sundin did the right thing. Always. When it was easy, and when it was hard. Not many of us can say that. It's easy enough to do the right thing if it makes you look like the good guy, but what about when it makes you look like the bad guy? That's the true measure of Sundin's character. His good deeds don't stop where the praise does.
    Sundin did so much for the Leafs organization, for the city of Toronto, and all of its people. The impact he left on the current players will undoubtedly help in the next few years when they hope to be competitive again. The leadership he showed, on and off the ice, the hard work he inspired, and the complete selflessness he always portrayed is legendary, and will have an impact on future Leafs for generations.
    Is there any doubt whether we should cheer? I know I will.
  16. The Great One
    16. Posted by The Great One Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:19 pm EDT

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    Of course many Leaf fans will boo Sundin. Leaf fans also go to Leaf games.
    Idiots.
  17. big audio
    17. Posted by big audio Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:04 pm EDT

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    I think that the media has a far too big role in shaping fans' perspectives. Sundin was a great Leaf, but the issue goes deeper than just Sundin himself. The fans are not only upset at Sundin, they are upset at the team's brain trust for the situation the Leafs fins themselves in as a team in the NHL. Not all "boo"ing is because the fans now dislike Sundin. After he retires from the NHL, whenever he returns to the Leafs' arena, he will be feted by the fans. But now, he is a member of a different organization, and the fans should let their disappointment in the entire situation be knows as they see fit.
  18. Curt S
    18. Posted by Curt S Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:32 pm EDT

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    Pass on booing Mats. If you love the Leafs more than you love Sundin then how could you not? The man cost us three prospects minimum. I hope they never honour #13.
  19. Max_Power
    19. Posted by Max_Power Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:24 pm EDT

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    The man deserves a standing ovation for his service to the Leafs. Regardless of how he left you can't deny he was a franchise icon and the face of the team. He was well within his rights to not be traded to another team. If some booing has to go on, it has to be for the Leafs management during his years for failing to build a Stanley Cup winning team around him.
  20. joe h
    20. Posted by joe h Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm EDT

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    Admit it... the Star Wars reference is why that last quote snuck in
  21. James S
    21. Posted by James S Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:02 pm EDT

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    The Maple Leafs (like the Habs) are an organization in big trouble. However, Sundin could really have helped Toronto by agreeing to be shipped in a deal with a defenseman for some nice draft picks/prospects. Then again, the Leafs would have somehow messed that up too. Give the man some respect for "Surviving' all those crappy teams up there. Now, only if Montreal would send Saku Koivu packing!!
  22. Cale P
    22. Posted by Cale P Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:57 pm EDT

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    2 weeks back, most of the Garden cheered Joe Thornton...until he started kicking the Bruins around the rink, then he got booed. I would suspect similar here.
  23. PB
    23. Posted by PB Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:23 pm EDT

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    As a Leaf fan and a Sundin fan, he really screwed us no matter how you look at it. He always said he wanted to finish his career in Toronto and that he didn't want to be a rental player. So he stuck with us. I happy about that, that was cool. But then to sit out half the next season and then go be a rental player for some other team when we desperately needed him back is just straight up lame. If he retired that would have been fine, but he should have made his decision a long time ago and it only hurt us in the long run.
    I won't be booing or cheering him, he's just some other player like everybody else.
  24. roseyrocket66
    24. Posted by roseyrocket66 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:51 pm EDT

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    Down Goes Brown is a joke of a blog.
  25. Journeyman
    25. Posted by Journeyman Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:49 pm EDT

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    Standing O by the Leafs fans and Mats channels his inner Messier

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