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These weekly debates about injurious hits and the predictions about what supplemental punishment they should or should not receive -- and according to Bob McKenzie of TSN, Matt Cooke(notes) of the Pittsburgh Penguins is the next to be strapped to the Wheel of Discipline -- are not primarily the fault of reckless players but that of a feckless punitive system in the NHL.

It's something Larry Brooks tried to crystallize in his NY Post column on Sunday:

It's not that there's a double standard when it comes to NHL supplementary discipline, it's that there is no standard whatsoever. To wit: Georges Laraque(notes) sticks out his leg in a reflex reaction, injures Detroit defenseman Niklas Kronwall(notes) with a knee-on-knee, and receives a five-game suspension for an unintentional but reckless play. Curtis Glencross(notes) on the other hand, intentionally delivers a forearm to Chris Drury's(notes) chin, thus concussing the Rangers center though he was nowhere near the puck, and receives a three-game suspension for his intentional and flagrant foul. Knee injury, five games; brain injury, three games.

But as much as we want to blame the NHL's incompetence for this endless cycle of outrage over these plays -- for the record, the League's disciplinary performance in last year's playoffs was as inequitable as it gets -- many of these debates expose something just as inconsistent:

How can we expect the NHL to punish fairly when fans and media can't even agree on what's punishable?

For example, Brooks's definition of Laraque's knee-on-knee hit on Niklas Kronwall of the Detroit Red Wings: "[He] sticks out his leg in a reflex reaction."

Really, Larry?

If by "reflex reaction" Brooks means "was beaten on a play so he extended his leg in an effort to trip Kronwall, caught him with a knee-on-knee hit and injured him for a month" ... well, yeah, we're in agreement.

If he's labeling this thing as an innocent mistake worthy of two minutes, then we strongly disagree.

But the point is that Brooks saw it his way, and we saw it completely differently; just as the Red Wings saw it one way and Laraque saw it completely differently.

The same thing is happening in the situation involving Alex Ovechkin's(notes) hit on Patrick Kaleta(notes) of the Buffalo Sabres, which warranted a game misconduct but not a suspension, and Kaleta's hit on Jared Ross of the Philadelphia Flyers, which warranted a two-game suspension.

Brian Reynolds of Hockey Wilderness is baffled about how one received supplemental discipline and the other did not:

Which is worse, and why? Kaleta has a history of dirty hits. Not going to defend him in any way. Kaleta, however, hit a player who was standing against the boards. Not sure why that is even boarding. Maybe I need an explanation of the two rules, but it looks to me like Ovechkin's is boarding, and Kaleta's is charging, but either way, they are both bad hits.

You can check out both hits on his site, but in our eyes its pretty clear cut: The Ovechkin hit (video) was a late hit on a guy on the side boards who was heading up ice until he dished the puck; the Kaleta hit (video) was a charge against the end boards into a player's back, on a play that was more blatant than the Mike Liambas hit that earned him a season-long suspension in the OHL.

But again, that's just one interpretation. It's also the one Lindy Ruff had, as far as the Ovechkin hit goes:

"He got what he deserved, and let's move on," Ruff said. "It wasn't that he ran at him. He just finished him at a time he shouldn't have finished him. I didn't think there was any brutal force involved. He just caught him after Pat had made the pass, and Pat's head went into the glass."

It seems as though the disciplinary rulings this season had being doled out based more on reputation and injury than intent, which is where we've long argued the onus should be placed. Based on that standard, Ovechkin didn't have the suspension rap sheet or reputation as a dirty player (hitter, maybe, player, not so much) as someone like Kaleta does. But he's on notice now with that game misconduct; on the next one of these borderline hits, he gets suspended. If he doesn't, then we've got a legitimate reason to scream about double-standards.

An example of an illegitimate reason? "Because he's a Flyer." Which is the argument Tim Panaccio made yesterday regarding Danny Briere's(notes) suspension for his hit on Scott Hannan(notes) of the Colorado Avalanche earlier last week:

This is what injustice is all about in the NHL. Briere got two games because the league was champing on the bit to suspend a Flyer because, as much as they wanted to suspend Mike Richards(notes) earlier this month for his hit on Florida's David Booth(notes), they couldn't find anything wrong with it within the rules.

Ovechkin deserved to be suspended far more than Briere did. And he wasn't. And we all know why. And if all that wasn't enough, you had Kaleta, the "victim" of Ovie's hit, throwing a cheap hit from behind on Jared Ross on Black Friday. Ross was able to avoid concussion, however.

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Look at Ovie's hit, look at Kaleta's hit, then look at Briere's hit, and tell us which of the three wasn't a hit worth a suspension. It's pretty obvious.

First, it's pretty hard to argue that there's rampant anti-Flyers bias in the NHL when (a) the Richards hit was vehemently defended as a hockey play at a time when suspending him would have been the much easier path to take and (b) Kaleta was suspended for hitting someone in an orange sweater. This isn't the Steve Downie(notes)/Jesse Boulerice message-sending thing all over again.

Yes, so loathed are the Philadelphia Flyers by the NHL that they'll be playing in Fenway Park on New Year's Day and Comcast has exclusive cable rights for the League. It's like Gary Bettman drops his suit pants and defecates on the Bullies at every turn, isn't it?

But more importantly: Briere was suspended because some saw this hit differently, like the Avs blog Mile High Hockey:

For what it's worth, I think 2 games is just about right. Lots have people have talked about how he left his feet and all, but frankly I think that aspect of hitting gets overplayed a bit. To me, whether he left his feet or not, that's a dirty hit; it was a cross check, it was up high and it was after the play was over

The point isn't that whether the Flyers beat writer or the Colorado blogger is correct. The point isn't that the "Suspend Ovechkin if You Suspend Kaleta" crowd is right or wrong.

The point is that both sides can be so clearly, distinctly argued on some these hits that the NHL is in a no-win situation on them, compounded by the fact that its own suspension history is muddled by subjective, misguided and political decisions rather than any sort of logical standard of enforcement.

Oh, and the point is also that Larry Brooks is a Georges Laraque apologist. Because for all the deep sighs and angry rhetoric over the other recent borderline plays, that's one the NHL got somewhere near correct.

Although we're sure some of you will see it differently.

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  1. Bubbabanjo
    1. Posted by Bubbabanjo Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:22 pm EST

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    Whats fair about anything. Bank crashed by greedy CEO's, investment bankers, and pig men. We pay.
    NHL crackdown..............shlubs get suspended.........money makin star hack gotta play to fill the seats.
    It stinks.....welcome to life.
  2. j_n_16
    2. Posted by j_n_16 Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:24 pm EST

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    The NHL needs to hire new people to run the supplementary discipline gig, and have them set up a distinct set of criteria for suspensions and have that paired with a defined range of games for a suspension.
  3. Professor Farnsworth
    3. Posted by Professor Farnsworth Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:29 pm EST

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    How about this question. If Ovi got a game for his hit, does Kaleta make his? You know Kaleta's rep, wouldn't surprise me he was trying to make a little statement of his own.
  4. Professor Farnsworth
    4. Posted by Professor Farnsworth Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:35 pm EST

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    @ wysh
    You can read into the Brooks article as him making the distinction between one being unintentional injury from an intentional act and an action with the intent to injury. Although i agree he has his agenda and it was fair for you to mention because he makes a terrible argument of this point because of it, however it should not be ignored that it indeed was the point he was trying to make.
  5. exwhaler
    5. Posted by exwhaler Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:39 pm EST

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    Here's the problem with bringing Ovechkin's hit on Kalena in this arguement--it was clean. It wasn't a hit from behind, it wasn't a blindside hit. Ovechkin hit him on the shoulders and sent him sideways into the boards. Technically, yes, it's boarding, but the rule is written to allow the ref to call any hit against the boards as boarding. It was borderline to begin with; how it wound to be a 5-minute major (which then forced them to call a game misconduct when Kaleta came up with a bloody nose) was never explained. The fact the refs called a weak tripping penalty on the Sabres 30 seconds later as the second penalty of the game should tell you the obvious thing--the refs blew the call, and they knew it. A comparison is Neil's hit on Dorsett--a clear hit on the back numbers that drove the opposing player into the boards. That's a suspendable hit, and it was.
    There needs to be some kind of stated standard for discipline in this league, but I think it's pretty clear why Ovechkin didn't receive a suspension for the Kaleta hit.
  6. Ben R
    6. Posted by Ben R Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:40 pm EST

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    Ovechkin was already committed to his hit before Kaleta passed the puck, and if Kaleta was closer to the boards he would have just bounced right off them like any other hit.
  7. Spock
    7. Posted by Spock Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:48 pm EST

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    I agree with j_n_16 (Post #2). And not only new people, but credible new people.
  8. Tony J
    8. Posted by Tony J Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:49 pm EST

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    The people who run this sport and those who follow it are so loathe to give up their subjectivity that the creation and enforcement of rules is going to be a complete joke for as long as the league exists. Naturally, people will blame Bettman because everyone needs a crutch, an excuse, a convenient straw man upon which to foist their own shortcomings, but the onus of blame falls on everyone equally.
  9. Defdude
    9. Posted by Defdude Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:53 pm EST

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    The NHL doesn't need a disciplinary standard that everyone will agree with, or even necessarily accept. They just need a disciplinary standard that's consistent. Regardless of how different people see different hits, the League itself should look at all hits through the same lens.
  10. Space Weed
    10. Posted by Space Weed Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:00 pm EST

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    I'm still waiting till Crosby and Parise resort to goonery
  11. Space Weed
    11. Posted by Space Weed Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:00 pm EST

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    I'm still waiting till Crosby and Parise resort to goonery
  12. Garth the Hoser
    12. Posted by Garth the Hoser Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:16 pm EST

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    Hard to argue there's an anti-Flyer bias in the league when that vicious Richards hit should have been a 20+ game suspension for "intent to maim." Or Randy Jones got, what, 2 games for nearly ending Bergeron's life?
    The only discernible pattern in the league's suspensions is that stars don't get much, if any, supplemental discipline even when it appears to be warranted either through a subjective lens (the OV hit) or even according to the absolute letter of the law (the Malkin fight in last year's finals). Whereas, talentless plugs like Kaleta get suspended when the hit video goes viral and enough people cry foul. Otherwise, he was just "finishing his check" on a guy who "should have kept his head up" because "as everyone knows" "that's hockey" and "if you don't like it you should just go watch figure skating" because "all these rule changes" are "turning hockey into a pansified sport" that "I refuse to watch anymore."
  13. Garth the Hoser
    13. Posted by Garth the Hoser Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:17 pm EST

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    /By the way, Marge, that was sarcasm.
  14. Jr.
    14. Posted by Jr. Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:30 pm EST

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    Simple solution...get rid of the instigator rule and much of this cheap garbage will stop. Guys arent required to answer the bell for the dirty stuff anymore (or the borderline stuff...Richards lets up on Booth if he knows someone will pound the crap out of him later in the game...legal or not!). Go after one of our guys with a cheap shot and maybe we go after your star player....the way it was handled when there were far fewer injuries like we see know (and to think they are thinking that stopping fighting actually "protects" players....very ignorant from supposedly knowing hockey minds). But it is what we have come to expect from the Gary Bettman/Colin Campbell duo. And they also have a major issue with the increasing poor officiating on the ice...many of the old guard refs knew how to put an end to the "stuff" on the ice....many of todays officials cant even get a goal/no goal call correct. They just screw it up and wait for the execs. to "justify" their blown calls. One guy takes a hand off a stick and bumps a guy and in the box he goes....a minute later you have a guy getting tackled out there and nothing. A lot needs to change but they dont have the right people in place to make it such....and that is sad because hockey truly is the best of all the sports.
  15. Trunkins
    15. Posted by Trunkins Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:33 pm EST

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    I like how they suspend James Neal for a hit that Ovechkin does almost EVERY night...
  16. Matt
    16. Posted by Matt Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:35 pm EST

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    "It seems as though the disciplinary rulings this season had being doled out based more on reputation and injury than intent, which is where we've long argued the onus should be placed. Based on that standard, Ovechkin didn't have the suspension rap sheet or reputation as a dirty player (hitter, maybe, player, not so much) as someone like Kaleta does. "
    That's pretty much the bottom line, Wysh, and I agree with you. The NHL has been "looking for a reason" to suspend Kaleta, but he's never done anything as blatant as that to warrant a suspension. Now that Kaleta is "on the grid", or as you put it, "on notice", he's f'd. Now they can suspend him for any little thing.
    "But he's on notice now with that game misconduct; on the next one of these borderline hits, he gets suspended."
    That's BS and you know it. You write enough about the Wheel of Justice to know it. I know you're trying to hide your Caps homerism.
  17. KiPA
    17. Posted by KiPA Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:44 pm EST

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    "How can we expect the NHL to punish fairly when fans and media can't even agree on what's punishable?"
    Liked the article, but what does it matter what fans and media agree on?
  18. Joe Vegas
    18. Posted by Joe Vegas Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:46 pm EST

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    Colin Campbell needs to go...NOW! There are too many double standards in the lague when it comes to discipline. When the day comes that Ovechkin or Phaneuf or Pronger ends someone's career with a cheap shot, MAYBE the league will finally take action (Holding breath...drops to the floor unconsciuos).
  19. theburt82
    19. Posted by theburt82 Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:03 pm EST

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    wysh - how exactly do you make a distinction between dirty player and dirty hitter?
    that's like saying chris simon and chris pronger are dirty stompers, but not dirty players.
    or marty mcsorely was a dirty stick-to-the-head swinger, but not a dirty player.
    or crosby is a dirty punch to the... well, you get the picture.
    if a guy does reckless, illegal things with a high likelihood of causing injury, he is a dirty player, period. i'm not making any specific judgment on ovie, but if you say he's a dirty hitter, you're saying he's a dirty player.
  20. cc
    20. Posted by cc Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:36 pm EST

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    I agree that it is hard to read an anti-Flyer's bias into things. But there is no question that over and over again, the NHL makes decisions (rule changes, the Phoenix saga, the shoot out, the marketing of certain players) that are designed to popularize the sport in non-traditional hockey markets - and often to the gall of people already like the game. It is not unreasonable to see the NHL's discipline policies as an extension of the the NHL's PR office, and you see something very similar in the reaction to on-ice calls (ie: that Detroit non-goal).
    If the NHL had even the slightest bit of credibility to fall back on, I might accept that the league's inconstancy is the product of making difficult decisions. But until the NHL shows me that it respects its on-ice product, and is not trying to manipulate it for marketing needs, I will assume that there is something not quite benign in these decisions.
  21. Dave
    21. Posted by Dave Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:31 pm EST

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    Ovi has some dirty hits sometimes, and part of it is just because he is an intense player. I wanted to rip his throat out last year when he had the knee on knee with Gonchar but it was obvious they couldn't suspend him because that would have cost the Caps the series hands down. But if that was done during the regular season I think he should be suspended for 5 games or whatever like everybody else. There definitely is a double standard, but like the first person said, where isn't there anymore?
  22. HotStacey
    22. Posted by HotStacey Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:46 pm EST

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    all you need to do is make the suspensions longer and it'll stop. not hard to figure out
  23. Brian C
    23. Posted by Brian C Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:51 pm EST

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    I* don't see it differently. I called for 5-10 games for Laraque. I don't think he's a dirty player, and I don't think it was deliberate - at least not the knee part, he meant to trip him - Georges isn't looking to injure people.
    But the NHL's suspensions are abominably varied. If they were consistently bad, they'd at leats be consistent. But they are all over the place.
  24. torr58
    24. Posted by torr58 Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:05 pm EST

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    Kaleta has a history of dirty hits?, Show me one, just one.
  25. Daniel L
    25. Posted by Daniel L Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:03 pm EST

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    Briere's hit is worthy of a 2 minute minor for charging. That's all. I'd say Ovechkin's hit on Kaleta was punished fairly (the in-game penalties) and Kaleta's penalty was also reasonably fair. In Kaleta's defense, Ross turns away from the hit at the last second. However, rather than hitting a guy in a vulnerable position, Kaleta probably still had time to slow down or avoid making contact entirely so two games is about right. I know this is beating a dead horse, but the NHL needs to get consistent with its supplementary discipline!!!

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