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Pittsburgh Penguins GM Ray Shero said yesterday that in light of Sergei Gonchar's shoulder surgery, which will shelve him for four to six months, the team will "look to our other defensemen to step up in his absence."

Our friend Seth Rorabaugh of Empty Netters wrote a piece earlier this month that explained just how valuable Gonchar and Ryan Whitney, also out at least three months, are for the Penguins. Since the lockout, only Nicklas Lidstrom and Brian Rafalski of the Detroit Red Wings have more combined points (371) than the Pittsburgh duo (327); the loss of both is, on paper, as devastating a blow to a blue-line corps as we've seen in the NHL for quite a while.

The title of Seth's Sept. 22 post was "Deficit on defense." The title of today's post-Gonchar surgery post: "Depth on defense."

Like many other Penguins fans are, Empty Netters is now making the case that stripping away the two best defensemen from this lineup isn't a deathblow to the team's defense: "Without Gonchar and Whitney, the Penguins still seven solid reliable players they can dress on the blue line."

Isn't this just a little too optimistic?

Here's how Rorabaugh sees the Penguins' defense, potentially:

Kris Letang-Hal Gill - It worked well after Gill came from Toronto and became acclimated with the Penguins' system. Letang's skating ability helped negate Gill's relative lack of mobility.

Alex Goligoski-Mark Eaton - Stick the inexperience rookie with a steady, responsible veteran. The past two seasons the Penguins placed Gonchar with Eaton at times and that allowed Gonchar more freedom in the offensive end. You could apply the same thinking in regards to Goligoski's lack of experience.

Brooks Orpik-Rob Scuderi/Darryl Sydor - We'd stick Orpik with Goligoski, but Orpik can be a little irresponsible at times when he thinks a big hit is possible. In this case, you can stick a safer, more reliable player like Scuderi or Sydor with Orpik. We would alternate Scuderi and Sydor based on match ups. Scuderi offers a safe, defensive presence. Sydor can do more offensively with the puck.

If nothing else, these injuries will give us a great look at Letang. (That sounded vaguely dirty.)

He was on the ice for 21 power-play goals in 63 games last season. Solid skater, good natural instincts; and without Whitney and Gonchar he's going to be forced to shoot more, which has been a problem in the past.

But after him ... well, you can see why they've been trotting out Evgeni Malkin on the power play. Goligoski has played three more NHL games than Steve Stamkos at this point. Scuderi and Sydor are serviceable, but how many offensive transitions can they lead each game?

Purging Gonchar (wait, that sounded vaguely dirty) from the power play is an obvious blow. But how does losing your two best defensemen hurt you five-on-five?

Consider this: Gonchar and Whitney were two of the top five players on the Penguins last season when it came to goals scored at even strength when they were on the ice: The Pens scored 58 goals for every 60 minutes Gonchar played with Gonchar on the ice; the number was 55 for Whitney.

Like Seth said: "Sergei Gonchar and Ryan Whitney will both be on the shelf for quite a while. Fine. Nothing can be done about that now." Too true. The Penguins know what they've lost, and have to figure out a way to still make the system work.

Final thought: Is it because the Gonchar thing happened so quickly that we haven't heard more about these injuries being part of some bridesmaid's curse for the Penguins?

Or maybe Max Talbot had it right in an interview with the Tribune-Review: After last season, is losing two defensemen that devastating?

"We were pretty unlucky last season. We lost the best player in the world and our first goalie. I don't think it can get worse than that, touch wood."

For Penguins fans' sake, let's hope Talbot touched wood. (Wait, that sounded vaguely dirty ... but also quite agreeable for the majority of female Pittsburgh puckheads.)

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  1. mag1
    1. Posted by mag1 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:17 pm EDT

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    I think you guys have misread the chart you linked to when referencing the number of goals scored per a player's 60 minutes of ice time. The chart clearly shows that Gonchar and Whitney are at 2.87 and 2.93 respectively, not the insane-sounding 58 and 55 goals per 60 minutes of ice you reference.
  2. Wilf
    2. Posted by Wilf Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:46 pm EDT

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    The real question is whether Gonchar's injury and recovery will prevent him from starring with Talbot and Malkin in a follow-up luxury car commercial on local TV.
  3. Wyshynski
    3. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ Mag1 --
    yeah, sorry about that.
    http://www.behindthenet.ca/2007/basic_5_on_5.php?sort=14&mingp=&mintoi=&team=PIT&pos=
  4. Jon A
    4. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    Gonchar was a big pick for me in my fantasy draft. My D just took a huge hit.
  5. roshdashanana
    5. Posted by roshdashanana Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:51 pm EDT

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    as long as the rest of our d stays healthy we will be ok. it sucks that both gonchar and whitney are hurt but thats a great infussion halfway through the season when they come back.
  6. #1Pensfan
    6. Posted by #1Pensfan Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:42 pm EDT

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    I think Whitney will be back around late Dec - early Jan. Sarge is out till the Playoff run...which could be a blessing. Although I feel gonches consistent play will plug him in the lineup as soon as he's ready. I'm confident with the current lineup to be honest...no worries.
  7. RC
    7. Posted by RC Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 pm EDT

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    Who QB's the power play?
    Who moves the puck?
    Who provides any offensive punch from the blueline?
    And they have 1.5 in cap space, and no one to deal
    Translation - theyre in trouble, and them refusing to even acknowledge/admit it will make it that much more gooder when they fall flat on their faces this year
  8. btumpak
    8. Posted by btumpak Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 pm EDT

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    good post (wait that sounded dirty)
  9. #1Pensfan
    9. Posted by #1Pensfan Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:42 pm EDT

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    I have to disagree RC. Malkin or Sid will QB the PP....Malkin, Sid, Gogo, Satan, Staal, Feds, Sykora.....will move the puck. Blueline punch - Letang, gogo and MAYBE(huge MAYBE) Sydor...
    We are fine....Adversity can bring a team together, as we saw last year.
  10. Wilf
    10. Posted by Wilf Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:46 pm EDT

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    "theyre in trouble, and them refusing to even acknowledge/admit it will make it that much more gooder when they fall flat on their faces this year "
    Also, grammar lessons will make it that much more gooder the next time you want to post a comment.
    Don't mistake a blog post for the team's position. I'm sure Shero and Therrien would say, openly, that these are tough injuries but that they've got to overcome them. What else do you think they could or should say?
  11. hooksorpik
    11. Posted by hooksorpik Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:09 pm EDT

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    "Who provides any offensive punch from the blueline?"
    RC, there's another certain Russian the Pens have been using on the blueline lately.
  12. Wilf
    12. Posted by Wilf Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:46 pm EDT

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    Actually, I've seen the light now. There's no real point in the Penguins playing this season. They should forfeit and just save everybody the trouble. They're the losing team from the Finals, they lost a bunch of guys who'd rather play FOR THE LIGHTNING and Marian Hossa keeps questioning their ability to take the next step. Now they've lost their top two offensive d-men. I'm sold. They're gonna suck. Islanders, Maple Leafs, Thrashers: start printing those playoff tickets.
  13. Jason
    13. Posted by Jason Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:14 pm EDT

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    Nobody is refusing to admit that losing Gonchar and Whitney hurts, they're just trying to remain positive as they move forward--because, what the hell else are they/we going to do? Luckily, we have some promising defensive prospects, but they are just that, promising. We have no idea how they'll perform. We can just hope for the best. And if we take last year as any indication, hoping for the best didn't exactly hurt us when Fleury and Crosby went down and others stepped up.
  14. Jon A
    14. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    Wings were missing Lidstrom and Rafalski at the same time last year (also Kronwall got injured). They were able to step it up and they did ok without them. Pitt however, is not as deep defensively and I think this will be a huge struggle for them.
  15. Wyshynski
    15. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ Jon A --
    Rafalski played 73 games last season, and Lidstrom played 76. I don't think there's a basis for comparison.
  16. Jon A
    16. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    @ badger: how many times a day will your sister make me pay her to bang her? Lay off the wings fans jackass
  17. Treads
    17. Posted by Treads Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:04 pm EDT

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    When the Redwings lost Lidstrom, Chelios, and Kronwall during the season the team had something like a 7 game losing streak. It allowed them to see if they had depth to replace those players. Eriksson was called up and Meech was given actually ice time. Both played as well as one could expect of them, but neither was ready so hence the Redwings going out and trading for Stuart.
    Losing Gonchar combine with Whitney will definitey hurt. But be thankful that it is not near the end of the season. These injuries give the Pens a chance to see if Goligoski is ready. Hopefully Eaton doesn't get injuried AGAIN. The others will need to step it up and hopefully it doesn't wear on them.
  18. #1Pensfan
    18. Posted by #1Pensfan Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:42 pm EDT

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    Real classy guys....how bout some legit hockey talk.
  19. RC
    19. Posted by RC Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 pm EDT

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    @ No. 1 Pens fan:
    Yes, because you can just put any shlub back there and they automatically become a great PP QB. And none of the people you mentioned outside of Goligoski (who has very limited experience) are puck moving DEFENSEMEN. I'm sure you saw what happened to the Flyers last year when they lost their only puck moving defenseman.
    @ wilf
    "more gooder" is an inside joke/phrase ripped off (hoo hoo) from a popular morning radio show.
  20. #1Pensfan
    20. Posted by #1Pensfan Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:42 pm EDT

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    RC: Puck moving defensemen is a definite rough spot....The people we have just need to step up for us. But i don't see it being as bad of a problem as Philly had.
  21. knucklehead
    21. Posted by knucklehead Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    No problem? OK, I guess you're OK ..... No excuses then, right?
    How 'bout this?, Not that I'm trying to help: Orpick -Letang, Goligoski-Sydor, Eaton-Gill
  22. Geoffrey S
    22. Posted by Geoffrey S Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:37 pm EDT

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    The offense will definitely suffer (although if Crosby and Malkin both stay healthy, will we even notice less scoring by the D?), but the defense might be improved if the Pens are forced to give more icetime to their defensive defensemen. Gonchar's underrated defensively, but remember Whitney's the guy who got moved to left wing because he wasn't being responsible enough in his own zone. Giving Eaton or Scuderi his icetime can only improve things in the Penguins end.
    Of course, the team's now gone from having a ridiculous amount of depth on D (and I doubt they'd have kept 9 defensemen on the roster for the regular season) to putting the guys in Wilkes-Barre on speed dial; even minor injuries to their remaining defensemen could have a big impact defensively.
  23. CUP#12
    23. Posted by CUP#12 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:40 pm EDT

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    "Oh and in Nov you done and any other game we play you. The GOGO era has begun."
    ..wait do you mean the shytsburgh pengwhines are contracting themselves to be the "GOGO" girls they have always been?? go flyers! go caps! go rangers! go lightning! go las habi... nope cant do the last one but i hope they school the flightless birds as well!
  24. MoltarRocks
    24. Posted by MoltarRocks Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:15 pm EDT

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    There's a reason the Flyers gave up on Mark Eaton many years ago....

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