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First off, the Sean Avery hearing in New York is over, and Dallas Stars GM Brett Hull tells TSN that the decision could come down late today or early Friday morning.

Now, please recall this clip from way back in October, as Avery and a female Nashville Predators fan had a back-and-forth through the penalty box glass. (About the 2:05 mark.)

After writing about it, Eric McErlain of NHL FanHouse discovered the fan's identity: Sandie Griffith, nearing 60 years old and a season-ticket holder for the Nashville Predators since Day One. According to McErlain, Griffith and her family have been taunting Avery since his days with the Los Angeles Kings -- even blowing up a newspaper photos into posters and taunting him as one who plays like a "turtle."

She decided to give "Turtleman" some more heat when he entered the penalty box after he tangled with Nashville's Dan Hamhuis on Oct. 11. And Avery, in her opinion, went too far in his reaction.

From McErlain and FanHouse:

As Avery skated to the penalty box, Griffith was waiting for him. "He came up behind Dan Hamhuis and cross-checked him, and I went to the box," said Griffith. That's when she asked him, "aren't you going to turtle up?"

Griffith insisted to me that while she taunted Avery, she never used foul language. So what was Avery's response? According to Griffith, Avery said, "You're nothing but an old [expletive] [expletive] I wouldn't even [expletive] in your face." (Ed. Note: Head to FanHouse to read the line with asterisks if you don't get the picture.) After which he sprayed her with his water bottle. It was after that the refs assessed Avery a second game misconduct, and Griffith is pretty much convinced Avery's reaction to the confrontation with her was the reason.

"I'm an old hockey fan, I can accept foul language, that's not the problem. But this was beyond anything that I can even imagine," Griffith said.

McErlain attempted to get reactions from the Stars, Avery's reps and the NHL. He managed a word from John Dellapina, the League's Director of Media Relations, who said in reference to Avery's suspension, "In any matter such as this, the totality of the actions throughout the player's career is taken into account."

It's a good piece of reporting, but ultimately it's going to be read one of two ways.

It could be another piece of supporting evidence for those who want to create a pattern of misogyny or general cruelty for Avery. Obviously, this isn't a story if this isn't a woman on the receiving end of his rapier wit. If you believe "sloppy seconds" was a slur against Elisha Cuthbert and not a knock on her paramours, they you're probably enraged after reading this.

Or, it's an example of a fan that instigated a confrontation and elicited the reaction she was looking for -- even if it was over the top. We still don't know what triggered Avery's "press conference" the other day; clearly, the guy has one hell of a rhetorical counterpunch.

But again, we come back to the basic point of this debate: Should the NHL throw the book at someone for this type of behavior? Because say what you will about Avery, he hasn't done anything close to the NHL vs. fan incidents we chronicled recently.

And honestly: Is Sean Avery the first hockey player to ever call a fan an "old [expletive] [expletive] I wouldn't even [expletive] in your face?" OK, maybe with that expert phrasing.

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  1. N. Y. NIGHTMARE
    1. Posted by N. Y. NIGHTMARE Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:06 pm EDT

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    Avery Sucks!!!
  2. knucklehead
    2. Posted by knucklehead Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    She had it coming! For once I agree with psycho- Avery on this one. if she doesn't want to be verbally abused, shut the hell up then! People are so tough when they are outside the glass_X_
  3. tehchico
    3. Posted by tehchico Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    @ knocklehead
    I totally agree, isn't that the old saying "if you can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen." this way it's if you can't handle the sexually explicit comeback (no pun intended) then do get into a verbal war with the scumbag of the league.
  4. Journeyman
    4. Posted by Journeyman Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:49 pm EDT

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    Whew I was worried, we had three posts in a row not about Avery.
    Avery situation and sloppy seconds = played
  5. Anthrax Jones
    5. Posted by Anthrax Jones Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:42 pm EDT

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    Sandie Griffith looks pretty good for a woman nearing 60. And we know Avery's propensity for the odd cougar encounter here and there.
    Just sayin'.
  6. Jeff
    6. Posted by Jeff Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    Who is this Sean Avery character? I don't believe I'm familiar with him.
  7. tehchico
    7. Posted by tehchico Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    to add: it's like getting into a land war in Asia.....
  8. Wrap Around Curl
    8. Posted by Wrap Around Curl Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:49 pm EDT

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    Yeah I don't advise yelling at dudes with bats or hockey sticks, etc.
  9. joe h
    9. Posted by joe h Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm EDT

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    She clearly instigated it by walking down there. What does she expect him to do? Why doesn't security intervene and take her away? If I was in the Rock and walked down to the box to harass Devils fans, I'd get my ass handed to me by one of their highly trained, do-right security guards.
  10. Wyshynski
    10. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ Jeff K --
    I think he's, like, a model or something.
  11. sleza
    11. Posted by sleza Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:55 pm EDT

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    And seriously, Yahoo censors as_hole????
  12. Al S.
    12. Posted by Al S. Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:51 pm EDT

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    Wysh, are you kidding? I mean, yes, the intent was to throw Phaneuf off his game but I have to think Cuthbert had done something to get Avery's panties in a bunch that morning. He planned to tell and told the Canadiam media that Cuthbert is pretty much a "hockey groupie." Even if he was trying to get at Phaneuf he used Cuthbert to do it.
    Does that warrant an indefinite suspension? No. But something tells me the league is tiring of Avery, even if he's the only reason they make ESPN.
  13. Wyshynski
    13. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ Al S. --
    Have we heard anything on the record about what made Avery do what he did? Could have been anything from a reporter's question to a love note from Dion.
  14. diehard_wings_fan134096
    14. Posted by diehard_wings_fan134096 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:43 pm EDT

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    avery just got through with a fight and was ready to snap just what did this broad think he was going to say?...."no madam I am not going to pull a claude lemieux turtlejob I am going to sit in the box and serve the penalty for my on-ice transgression and then upon my release from the sin bin I will be a good little choir boy and attempt to help my team win the game to the best of my ability. In the meantime would you like me to climb over the glass and kindly escort you back to your seat so you don't accidently fall and break your hip?"...........don't dish it out if you can't take the retalliation...
  15. books
    15. Posted by books Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    "You're nothing but an old [expletive] [expletive] I wouldn't even [expletive] in your face."
    If I only had a nickle for everytime somebody said that to me...minus the old of course.
  16. Journeyman
    16. Posted by Journeyman Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:49 pm EDT

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    Crosby takes lead in eastern conference voting. Les Habitants fans cry les tears of les sadness.
  17. j_n_16
    17. Posted by j_n_16 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    Avery puts the "a.s.s." in class.
  18. david_harris06@...
    18. Posted by david_harris06@... Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:38 pm EDT

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    The lady got what she deserved. If you couldn't handle to reaction, then she should stay in her seat and keep her lips shut, or maybe stay at home with her legs wide open.
  19. Hamilton Tigers
    19. Posted by Hamilton Tigers Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:10 pm EDT

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    Front row ticket beside the penalty box at a Predators game: $1.75 (plus all you can eat hot-dogs!)
    Cheap white blouse and hair elastic: $12.75
    Screaming like a b-ee-otch in heat at Sean Avery in the box: Priceless
  20. Kawsmoe
    20. Posted by Kawsmoe Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:10 pm EDT

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    I think the lady just wanted to know what Avery thought of her outfit...
  21. Hamilton Tigers
    21. Posted by Hamilton Tigers Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:10 pm EDT

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    $20 says Sandie Griffith would have "Sloppy Second-ed" Avery if she had the chance.....
  22. HockeyJoe
    22. Posted by HockeyJoe Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:24 pm EDT

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    Aren't fans in these kinds of situations always playing the role of Jarkko Ruutu/Sean Avery/(Insert turtling wannabe enforcer here)?
    Think about it, I know that the "customer is always right" but when a player snipes back with something nasty the offending fan in these situations is quick to play the, "Woe is me! I'm just a fan! I was just doing my God-given right as a ticket buyer to say and yell whatever I want to at whoever I want to as long as they're on the ice/playing field/court!"
    It's like the person that goes to the zoo and yells at the sleeping bears all day only to pee their pants and complain when the bear stands up and yells back at them.
    I'm not saying that's the case here with this woman, but it certainly seems like it could be that way given she took the time out to blow up a photo of him poster size to taunt him.
  23. Mateo P
    23. Posted by Mateo P Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:22 pm EDT

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    Ryan H: with what?
  24. KOHO
    24. Posted by KOHO Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:09 pm EDT

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    Sean Avery is my hero! Love that he gave it to that nutty broad!!!
  25. j_n_16
    25. Posted by j_n_16 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    @ Crackhead
    If Avery is your hero, is Satan your saviour?

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