Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:15 am EST
Pockets of the Canadian media continue to push an anti-fighting agenda, trotting out polls that show support for the nebulous concept of "stricter penalties" in the NHL for fisticuffs. The New York Times has eulogized the late amateur hockey player Don Sanderson, whose death sparked this recent fighting debate, with an article and photo slideshow that paints Sanderson as the guy who takes girlfriends on surprise picnics and hockey fighters as "brutish enforcers."
In light of the tragedy and its aftermath, the pressure has been mounting for the NHL to address fighting again at a League level. And the League will do just that.

Colin Campbell, the NHL's director of hockey operations, plans to ask the league's 30 general managers if they want to ban fighting.
The question will come at the general managers' annual meeting in Naples, Fla., in early March. It will be part of a long look at fighting by the league and its GMs, although a vote to ban fisticuffs from the NHL version of the game is unlikely. "I think that will be a very short discussion," Toronto Maple Leafs president and general manager Brian Burke said yesterday. "I am not in favour of it."
But Burke's justifications to the Toronto Star ring a little hollow:
"If you take fighting out of the game, you eliminate the players' ability to regulate the violence in the game. That's what fighting does. It's not gratuitous. It's not to sell tickets.
... Fighting to me is the self-policing mechanism in the game to prevent the head shots, the hits from behind, and I will never vote to have it eliminated."
Yes, fighting is the fundamental way for players to police themselves in the game. But who are we kidding: it does sell tickets.
The promise of fisticuffs used to be the reason to watch a Bob Probert game against a rival fighter. It's still the reason certain minor leagues continue to draw well in non-traditional markets. I'll always go back to when the Nashville Predators first started playing in Tennessee; one of the first players featured on a giant billboard in the city was Stu "The Grim Reaper" Grimson. It probably wasn't for his matinee idol looks. (Ed. Note: The Forechecker rightfully mentioned that Grimson wasn't there when the Preds first came to town, but was pimped in team's early years.)
That's where things get weird when it comes to fighting and Commissioner Gary Bettman. On the one hand, the League ran away from marketing violence when it was entering non-traditional markets in the 1990s expansion. On the other hand, Bettman is legitimately an advocate for fighting's place in the game, and knows what his core audience wants in that regard.
What the NHL and Bettman are doing is passing the buck to the general managers, knowing that the GMs will quickly reject any notion of a fighting ban. At the same time, they can appease critics by talking about safety measures like helmet or chin-strap rules that emerge from the debate.
From The NHL Hour on XM (.mp3), here's Bettman from last week:
"There had been some discussion recently about steps taken by developmental leagues concerning it. Obviously, fighting in our game is not a subject for which there's ever been a shortage of opinion, either pro or con. There's never been an overwhelming consensus at the NHL level to support a fundamental change in terms of how this league has addressed the issue and dealt with fighting. That said ... we continually evaluate whether changes should be made.
"It's something that has become more scrutinized, in light of the tragedy involving Don Sanderson, and I have no doubt that our managers and the competition committee will take a look at things again, be it the rules of engagement or chin straps or the like. This isn't something you can rush to judgment on. This is something that has to be careful evaluated and analyzed and thought through.
"To the extent anyone thinks that a change should be made, it's something we're going to have to look at a very deliberative way."
Will there be tweaks to current fighting rules or punishments? It's possible. Even as a fighting advocate, I'd like to see what the OHL helmet rules do for player safety. A broken hand vs. a player slamming his head to the ice is an easy call, right?
But as the New York Times pointed out in its Sanderson story, even harsher penalties for fighting won't be a complete deterrent. From the Times:
To those who wonder whether Sanderson's death will serve as a deterrent to fighting, they need look no further than his own team. In the seven games since his death, Dunlops players have been penalized for fighting three times, including once on Friday, the night before the tribute to Sanderson.
How exactly can you even imagine "banning" fighting in hockey when Sanderson's teammates drop the gloves the night before he's memorialized?
Love it or hate it, fighting is a fundamental, culturally engrained facet of the game. Elliotte Friedman hit the nail on the head: It'll take generations of change on a grassroots level to eliminate fighting from hockey, if it ever does leave the game.
It's a fact that I'm sure frustrates the hell out of a guy like Ken Campbell of The Hockey News, one of the leaders in the drive to ban fighting from all levels of hockey.
Campbell wrote about it again this week, stunned that Eric Lindros actually advocated for the removal of the instigator penalty from the rulebook. From Campbell:
The instigator rule is a red herring the fighting lobby likes to trot out every time somebody gets hurt. First, the instigator is a penalty that is rarely called, so it's a non-factor. Second, I don't see too many players thinking about the ramifications of the instigator rule when they're beating down an opponent for putting a clean hit on their teammates. Third, do people really believe that abolishing the instigator rule is going to deter players such as Jordin Tootoo and Colby Armstrong from "finishing their checks" from the other side of the rink?
Those who love fighting and view the death of Don Sanderson as a "tragic accident" and a one-in-a-million occurrence can rest easily knowing they have a champion in those who run this sport. Things will never change, it seems.
First, I'd leave it up to the players to determine what is or is not a deterrent for cheap shots.
Second ... a player dies accidently from a fight, and we ban fighting. What happens when tragedy strikes in another facet of the game? What about from a elbow head shot on an open-ice check? Or a crosscheck to the back of the neck against the glass? Those aren't a part of the game either, and are just as illegal as a hockey fight. What then?
Perhaps we can only accept that hockey is, fundamentally, a violent sport. Just as men and women accept a certain amount of risk in choosing to play it, and have for generations.
Puck Daddy is an NHL blog edited by Greg Wyshynski. Email him, and follow him on Twitter.

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Nuff said.
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This whole issue is really a non-issue. It's extremely sad that Mr. Sanderson died as a result of fighting, however it could easily be argued that his helmet was loose and could've fallen off during a check, whereby he could have hit his head on the ice anyway. Just doesn't make sense to even talk about banning fighting for that.
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Fundamental: "4: of central importance : principal
5: belonging to one's innate or ingrained characteristics : deep-rooted "
Wysh, I'd love to see what you have to say about NCAA hockey, European pro hockey, the World Juniors and the Olympics. All of these "hockey" leagues/competitions have either virtually no fighting at all, or at least far, far less than we see in the NHL. Many of them actually manage to sell tickets and entertain people too! But I guess they aren't actually "hockey" - huh?
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Stop being disingenuous.
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Also it is a different fan base, NCAA is school spirit driven, Jr's are kids and small towns only entertainment in most cases, and european hockey is usually driven by factories, and have origins where they only used people who worked for the company. Of course they actually had to ban anti-semtic chants and logo's a few years back also, so not real sure that is a measuring stick i would want to place the NHL next too.
Also even though i became a huge fan of Sparta and wear their jersey to games even here, they play a very different game, they play soccer on ice for the most part. I enjoy it, but never replaced the NHL for me.
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"Disingenuous: 1) Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating
2) Pretending to be unaware or unsophisticated
3) Unaware or uninformed; naive"
I fail to see where that applies to my comment.
I did not say anywhere that that a body check was the same as fighting, I said that a player's helmet could about as easily fall off during a check, or any other game occurences, and that the player could hit his head on the ice, with the same results.
I'm not saying it should be like that. But to talk about banning fighting because it happened to one player, is ridiculous in my opinion.
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Hockey is a fast sport that allows for violent collisions. There will be a day when a perfectly legal check will kill somebody, just as perfectly legal hits in football have crippled and killed them.
There is no reason to remove it, nor is there to change it. How many fights have there been? How deaths from fights have there been? Is the death per fight ratio 1 in a million, more? Sounds more freak than problem to me...
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In today's NHL, the "tough guys" are simply fighters who can skate. How many times has a fight broken out five minutes into a game with the two willing combatants playing on their first shift? It's a meaningless fight that does nothing more than interrupt the game. Those who are labeled enforcers do little more than get on the ice and drop their gloves. The biggest problem for the teams is when they cannot fight a willing partner, which means they have to stay on the ice and try to play hockey. Of course, that is why you see most guys with very high penalty minutes with a minus in the +/- category. They can't play defense! They can't play offense! They can only skate and fight. If you can't play offense or defense, why are you playing hockey?
For me, as a real hockey fan, it is embarrassing to see two guys square off calmly, dance a bit, and then fight. The most embarrassing was probably the video that had Laraque asking Ivanans if he wanted to go, and then wishes him good luck. It had nothing to do with hockey.
Maybe the problem is the enforcers code. Maybe the problem is the instigator penalty. I don't know. What I do know is that in today's NHL, most of the fighting that goes on is a farce.
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"Real hockey fans don't tune in religously to wait for a fight to break out."
That is absolutely right. Only kids and immature adults actually tune in to see hockey fights.
"Personally I like watching a clean body check than two meatheads go at it."
I agree. And, sadly, while everyone is debating the hockey issue, the NHL is becoming the "No Hitting League" and no one seems to care.
"Most of the time it's a whole lot of clutching and grabbing and not much fighting."
Yup, hockey fighting pretty much sucks. The fights are typically anti-climatic and yawn-errific.
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Most of the people that comment have never played these sports.
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