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There are different levels of honesty for an NHL head coach. There's "coach-speak," like "we just didn't execute tonight," which is his way of saying "these idiots couldn't find a hole in a slice of Swiss." There's stating the obvious, which Toronto Maple Leafs coach Ron Wilson did when he said rookie goaltender Justin Pogge wasn't ready for the NHL; Pogge wasn't even ready to start in the AHL playoff last season.

But Wilson reached a rare level of honesty for an NHL coach recently, when faced with questions from the always-rabid Toronto hockey media about the team's chances this season:

"It was an exhibition game - it didn't bother me at all," Wilson said Sunday. "What bothers me is being asked asinine questions while you're trying to give young players a chance. "We're not going to win the Stanley Cup this year. There's a news flash for you."

If you wanted to know the difference between Paul Maurice and Ron Wilson, here's Exhibit A. Maurice infamously predicted a playoff berth and that Toronto would contend for the Cup before last season; Wilson has gone from making no predictions about the 2008-09 Leafs to declaring "we're not going to win the Stanley Cup this year."

Is this honestly too brutal? As we said in our Leafs preview this weekend, management has already put out the vibe that this team doesn't have NHL talent and that the playoffs aren't likely. The bar is ridiculously low, and Wilson has put his foot on it to drop it even lower.

But is it fair to the fans when the head coach declares before a single regular season shift has been completed that this is basically a lost season for the franchise? Mirtle offered this thought:

I'm of the belief that, no matter how bad you get, there's still a lot of parity in this league - and especially in the Eastern Conference. Toronto will definitely struggle to score goals this season, but they're not alone in that, and I don't think it's ludicrous to think they could steal some games and hang around longer in the race for eighth than many believe.

Add in the unpredictable Sundin factor, and those chances increase.

Look, the Leafs are likely going to be closer to Atlanta's point total from last season than their own. But that's for bloggers and pundits to declare -- not NHL head coaches.

Anyone with any modicum of professional pride on that team is going to risk his health every game to secure victory for that locker room, for those fans and for that city. Wilson's preseason "prediction" is a reckless insult to that professionalism. Some things are better left unsaid, no matter how refreshingly candid they are.

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  1. J.P.
    1. Posted by J.P. Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:42 pm EDT

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    They don't call him Crazy Ron for nothin'.
  2. knucklehead
    2. Posted by knucklehead Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    Sometimes honesty is not the best route to take if you want the fans to get behind you.
    Ron is calling out the front office and this is what this sorry franchise needs.
  3. GT
    3. Posted by GT Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:14 pm EDT

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    That's a pretty stupid thing to say from the coach. He should be focusing on the positives of the team...even if that may only include the driving skills of the zamboni drivers!
  4. Pittyman
    4. Posted by Pittyman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:35 pm EDT

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    Imagine how surprised he'll be when the Leafs do win the Cup this year!
    As a leaf fan, we all know that the Leafs are rebuilding. We all know this team is going to be young and fast, and probably lose a lot of games. Who knows, things may come together faster than we imagine, and they might not be as bad as people say. Ron is just saying what we all know anyway. I don't see anything wrong with it.
    Maybe it's one of those "Prove me wrong boys!" inspirational strategies.
  5. David
    5. Posted by David Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    Isn't it nice to hear someone tell the truth for a change? Ron Wilson has done nothing wrong. He has not insulted the fans or the players. His job is to assess players and figure out how to get the best out of them, and that is what he is doing. In the long run honest comments will contribute to a better player and a better team than the handholding and "molly-coddling" that has gone on too often. Ron said what he meant, and meant what he said. Nothing wrong with that in my book.
  6. daddymag
    6. Posted by daddymag Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    Wysh, just three articles ago you yourself called them an expansion team. I have no problem with a coach being honest.
  7. HockeyTownTodd
    7. Posted by HockeyTownTodd Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:19 pm EDT

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    Very refreshing. he challenged management he challenged the players
    The media may put more thought in questioning him in the future.
  8. Kevin Crumbs
    8. Posted by Kevin Crumbs Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    I really don't see what the big deal is. I mean he said they weren't going to win the Stanley Cup and if all the coaches in the league said that, only one of them would be wrong. If Wilson said that the team had no chance to make the playoffs, I could understand what this uproar is about.
  9. jibblescribbits
    9. Posted by jibblescribbits Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:34 pm EDT

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    I was okay with his honesty, but when he added "These guys couldn't score on a 2 loony whore" I thought he really crossed a line.
  10. Wyshynski
    10. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ daddymag --
    Like I said in this post, that's for me or a newspaper or a fan to say. Ron Wilson speaks for the organization. If the company line is that the Leafs can't compete for a title this season, what's the use in even icing a team? Forfeit every game, let some contracts expire, and then come back and play in 2010.
  11. cj_begins
    11. Posted by cj_begins Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    I don't have a problem with his honesty. If you look at the roster, they're not going to win the Cup. There is zero chance of that.
    But it was a rude answer. Considering we're only in the pre-season, how is he going to react to the attention and pressure in March (when they'll probably be far below 500)?
    You need to have a tougher chin than that to work in Toronto. Pat Quinn had difficulties dealing with it at first and over time, he mastered it.
  12. Jon A
    12. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    You want your coach to be honest but to say something like that especially when you combine that with the sarcasm he had is really low. That can be extremely demoralizing to the team.
  13. Pittyman
    13. Posted by Pittyman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:35 pm EDT

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    @Wysh
    That's a bit of a stretch. If only the teams that had a legitimate chance at the cup played, there would be 20 something teams sitting at home each year.
    This is a rebuilding year, the reason they are playing this year is so the young players can play and be better next season. The players will come and play because that's what they are paid to do.
  14. Rant1
    14. Posted by Rant1 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:42 pm EDT

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    You have to like Wilson's honesty.He's right about the Media asking asinine questions that are a waste of breathe. Can't these guys ask ask more intelligent questions?
    Pre- season games are nothing but practice and a chance for younger players to play, that normally would never be called up to play in the NHL unless there were a rash of injuries.
    You tell them Ron.
  15. Wyshynski
    15. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ Pittyman --
    Rebuilding or not, telling your fans that this team isn't going to win the Stanley Cup is telling them they're wasting their time. Look, we're only a few seasons removed from a No. 8 seed with a blistering-hot goalie making the SCF. If nothing else, Toskala looks legit, so who the hell knows, right?
  16. jibblescribbits
    16. Posted by jibblescribbits Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:34 pm EDT

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    @ Wysh--
    I respectfully disagree. Ron Wilson is the perfect man to say this. He knows all about not winning the Stanley Cup from his time with San Jose.
  17. daddymag
    17. Posted by daddymag Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    I see absolutely nothing wrong with every player on a team being reminded that he's auditioning for a place on that team every day. Every guy on the Leafs is playing for a future on the team and a future in the league. Thanks to Maple Leaf Sports or whatever they're called, the organization has been lying to its fans for years, behaving like the Yankees except not getting the results the Yankees have. At some point, let's be honest with everyone and say we're rebuilding for real. This is how real teams do it. And it doesn't take forever. The Leafs have to do what the Blackhawks did.
  18. Jak-0
    18. Posted by Jak-0 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:45 pm EDT

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    They're Not going to win the Cup ? I better cancel my bet with Slippery Pete.
  19. Big Drew
    19. Posted by Big Drew Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:59 pm EDT

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    @ Wysh
    I have to agree with the other guys here. Ron Wilson was somewhat muzzled here in this small town media market of San Jose last year so now that he has moved to a hockey crazy environment, I think he is putting the media in it's place in regards to what is and isn't important to know about his team.
    In fact, I believe it is absolutely professional of him to be honest (even if somewhat brutal) to the fan base on what level of talent he is working with in Toronto. That city has had too much smoke blown up it's you know where to really understand where they are at as a competitive entity in the NHL.
    I think being a Leafs fan is skewing your emotions in this instance so take it from a Sharks fan that has seen his type of communication for the last 4 years; enjoy it for what it's worth because he really is an excellent coach!
  20. Jon A
    20. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    I still disagree with those on here who support his comments. I mean I support his ideas that the Leafs' season is usually over before it starts, but this is just over the line. Plus does he realize they will lose some ticket sales the more he makes comments like that?
  21. chris
    21. Posted by chris Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:50 pm EDT

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    The stanley cup is the prize of all prizes. it is not, however, the only reason to watch hockey. The game is great fun and it consumes all of our lives, regardless of whether we're rooting for the eventual stanley cup finalists or not.
    If people only watched to see the team that would win the cup, about 20 teams would have zero attendance. Just because you wont win the cup one year (which is what all teams but one do anyway) doesnt mean you're wasting your time. Its plenty interesting to watch a team rebuild and speculate on how the team is rebuilding and if its a recipe for success. It is NOT telling your fans to give up...
  22. Pension Plan Puppets
    22. Posted by Pension Plan Puppets Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:06 pm EDT

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    A. The Leafs will never lose ticket sales. Ever. No matter what. The fanbase is just too huge and the tax write-offs too tempting to ever worry about that scenario.
    B. Stop playing Devil's Advocate and trying to trick me into thinking that you never know what could happen. I (and most of Leafs' fans) have made peace with lowered (ie realistic) expectations.
    C. It's a challenge to the players. He and Fletcher are saying that they are not good enough. Now it's up to the players to try to prove them wrong. It's no different from any other of the million of instances of coaches trying to tell their players that it's them against the world.
  23. Pittyman
    23. Posted by Pittyman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:35 pm EDT

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    @Jon A
    Lose some ticket sales? We haven't won a cup in over 40 years! Yet it's still impossible to get Leafs tickets. I don't think an honest coach will have any effect on the bottom line. If there is anything we are used to in Toronto, it's watching hockey teams that won't win the Stanley Cup.
  24. Panda God
    24. Posted by Panda God Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 pm EDT

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    Sometimes the people who get punched in the face are thankful after its over. Way after. But hey, thats only what I've heard, I don't let people punch me and get away with it...
  25. knucklehead
    25. Posted by knucklehead Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    Wysh, you can't compare the close to it, 8th seeded Oilers, to the fact that it has never happened.
    I get what you are saying, but...

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