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How often is a team captain with the highest salary and most celebrity unceremoniously dropped from the top line to a spot between two checking forwards?

As we noted yesterday in the Puck Headlines, that's what happened to Vincent Lecavalier(notes) this week with the Tampa Bay Lightning, as Coach Rick Tocchet made him the center between noted Art Ross threats Drew Miller(notes) and Stephane Veilleux(notes).

Lecavalier's offensive struggles this season have been well-documented -- he has 1 goal and is a minus-8 for the season -- but Tocchet took aim at the totality of Vinny's game:

"Not finishing checks, cheating a little bit, the little things that I will not let...It's unacceptable," Tocchet said. "That's the one thing I came into this year, if I see your game slipping - if you're not scoring, I can live with it - but if you're turning away from checks, and not battling down low defensively, if you're constantly on the ice and teams are getting chances against you, videos don't lie. This is something we're going to correct the next day, it's not going to be corrected next week. We've got to attack it."

That was on Sunday; yesterday, Tocchet spoke about Lecavalier again to the Tampa Tribune, specifically about his desire to line up with longtime partner in crime Marty St. Louis. Tocchet basically said the team is not Vinny's sandbox anymore:

"Vinny is still playing 20 minutes, he's still playing first-unit power play and he'll get shifts with Marty once in a while, he might get shifts with Ryan Malone(notes)," Tocchet said. "There is still plenty of ice time for him to get with certain people, but I'm looking for a two-way game from him and that's the way we are built, it's not two guys and the Tampa Bay Lightning, it's the Tampa Bay Lightning and that's the way it's got to be if we are going to compete, it has to be."

If this were John Tortorella placing Vinny Prospal under the bus, it probably doesn't merit too much scrutiny. But this is Rick Tocchet placing Vinny Lecavalier under the bus. Will it work?

After yesterday's loss to the Philadelphia Flyers -- the Bolts face Kessel and the Leafs tonigth -- Raw Charge wrote that the move to the third line "backfired on the entire team," even if Lecavalier played better hockey. From Raw Charge:

The first rule of trying to manipulate your team is you've got to really know your team. And while Martin St. Louis(notes) might be the heart and soul of the Lightning, Lecavalier is their identity. He's their top guy, their star, their captain. And if he's not on their top line in that role, no matter how poorly he may or may not be playing, then suddenly they're not who they think they are anymore.

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The bottom line is that Lecavalier was moved to the third line, and the team crumbled like a bunch of stale cookies. St. Louis played particularly poorly - for him. He was still better than half the league, though. He did snap his 11-game point scoring streak, however.

Jon Jordan of HockeyBuzz is troubled by the fact that Lecavalier has looked ineffective for pretty much the entirety of 2009:

Any way you look at it, something's up with the big guy. To me, he just looks a step or two behind out there this year; not physically, really, as in a step or two slower than in his better days, but just kind of blah overall. ... Actually, it's the same way he looked for much of last season, which is baffling when you factor in just how badly he wants to put all that distracted him a year ago behind him.

Puck Buddy "The Skating Penguin" has been corresponding with us about this situation in Tampa, and made this point the other day on email:

"I think the Bolts should've unloaded VL4 before that huge bonus & no-trade clause kicked-in this July, because, sooner-or-later, this will be Stamkos'/Hedman's team."

While we don't necessarily agree with that, the first month of Lightning hockey has certainly provided the "Trade Vinny" contingent with a few "I-told-ya-so's."

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  1. Starstx
    1. Posted by Starstx Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:34 pm EST

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    Maybe he is just tired of playing on a team with swiss cheese D and netminding every year. Could he be TRYING to get traded? I would
  2. scott s
    2. Posted by scott s Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:37 pm EST

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    "If this were John Tortorella placing Vinny Prospal under the bus, it probably doesn't merit too much scrutiny. But this is Rick Tocchet placing Vinny Lecavalier under the bus. Will it work?"
    -generally the guy with the lifetime contract will come out on top.. Tocchet is simply positioning for his dismissal.
  3. M
    3. Posted by M Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:39 pm EST

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    This team has enough talent to be competitive but they refuse to compete. I was happy to see Nitty last night but that Tampa team is heartless. They were heartless when they let Ovechkin start dancing around his stick last year with not much more than a look. They will not go anywhere so why not trade Vinny and St Louis for picks or young talent and start fresh building around Stamkos and Hedman and move forward. I feel bad that Tocchet choose that sinking ship to jump aboard, it will probably end badly for him.
  4. Lyle
    4. Posted by Lyle Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:40 pm EST

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    Tocchet can't coach a woman's softball team- why should anyone listen to this loser?
  5. dentophobia
    5. Posted by dentophobia Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:41 pm EST

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    he wants to be traded to montreal so he's doggin' it until he gets moved there.
  6. MTL_WINGS
    6. Posted by MTL_WINGS Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:47 pm EST

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    Glen Healy was showing clips of Vinny bailing on Checks late saturday night on HNIC. So either everyone is noticing or he heard it from Tocchet.
    I only caught the end of the CKAC radio morning show where they were talking to Pat Burns but when the host said he's still got 10 points, he's on pace to score 75, it just made me just shake my head. Stop being apologists and say it is white when it is white and black when it is black.
  7. habs1rule
    7. Posted by habs1rule Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:05 pm EST

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    Lecavallier heard a Vinny was headed to the Big Apple and got excited, little did he know it was Prospal. I'd be down too...Vinny for Gomez and any player from lines #2-#4....They're all the same.
  8. yerry.take
    8. Posted by yerry.take Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:06 pm EST

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    I heard Tocchet made a bet that hed be fired by Christmas
  9. HotStacey
    9. Posted by HotStacey Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:08 pm EST

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    all i know is if DET was paying $10 a year for ten years and then 8 mil after or whatever he's making i'd want him traded immediately. hell, MON would DEFINITELY be dumb enough to take that contract on;)
  10. HotStacey
    10. Posted by HotStacey Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:12 pm EST

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    he's making 10 MILLION A YEAR for the next SEVEN years. wtf were they thinking? he then takes a pay cut to 8.5 after that. holy crap that'll destroy a team all by itself
  11. HotStacey
    11. Posted by HotStacey Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:13 pm EST

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    AND he peaked FIVE years ago.....wow, that's the worst contract ever
  12. TeasSJS
    12. Posted by TeasSJS Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:14 pm EST

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    I'm sure the Canadian media wouldn't mention two words about being selfish or heartless if he got traded from Tampa to a team like Montreal. However, Dany Heatley is the worst evil in the history of the game.
  13. Guy F
    13. Posted by Guy F Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:32 pm EST

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    @ 12 : Umm...yeah...try following along a tad closer there slick.
    Hello, it was Hockey night in CANADA that splashed Lecavalier's highlights (lowlights) against New Jersey on Saturday night all over the screen. They put together a short montage of him doind all the things Tocchet is accusing him of. A CANADIAN network went out of their way to emphasize just how horrible, lackluster and soft his play has been.
    Any American networks doing that? Yeah, didn't think so...
    Thinking prior to posting is optional...but I would recommend it in the future...
  14. Howie
    14. Posted by Howie Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:34 pm EST

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    I saw the Bolts live from the not cheap seats in the dump the Cup Champ Pens play in and the Bolts as a whole (Stamkos, St. Louis, and Hedmen excepted) played disgraceful. The key issue with the Bolts isn't Vinny though he deserves at ton of criticism he is the most talented player and CAPTAIN. The Pen dominated every aspect of the game and didn't even play well. I point the figure at Tocchet, how on Earth did that game not turn into a brawl?!? What the heck are the 4th and 3rd line role guys on that team doing? Get out there run one of the Pens role players over and drop the gloves, that is why it is still part of the game. The Pen honored Tocchet at the start of the game pointing out he scored 2 goals in a game AFTER having his jaw broken and coming back out. His team completely embarrassed the GAME that night not just themselves, Tocchet, The Bolts, and the League, they flat out embarrassed the game. If it continues tonight in TO head must roll (figuratively).
  15. Jon A
    15. Posted by Jon A Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:34 pm EST

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    This is just Tocchet's ego, sadly and idiotically putting the perceived size of his cajones ahead of the team's success. Your once-seemingly future HOF center, sporting 108-pt and 92-pt seasons, is pointless in 2 out of 12 games, so you drop him down to play with checking forwards. Why didn't anyone else think of this? Maybe because SIMPLE LOGIC tells you that if a traditionally high-scoring center is just off to a slow start, you shouldn't split him off from his traditionally high-scoring RW.
    "Coach Rick Tocchet made him the center between noted Art Ross threats Drew Miller and Stephane Veilleux." =) LOL
  16. Guy F
    16. Posted by Guy F Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:38 pm EST

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    @ M : St .Louis has heart, so does Stamkos. What were those two guys supposed to do? Is Marty going to take a run at OV? Alex has half a foot and 50 pounds on Marty. Stamkos was all of 18 at the time. Beyond those two, I agree with you.
    My post from two days ago : " If Lecavalier makes the team while Stamkos or St. Louis are omitted that's a joke. Vinnie should honestly watch a few games from the pressbox. The highlights (on CBC Saturday night) from his game against New Jersey were atrocious. The guy makes TEN MILLION DOLLARS. His effort was absolutely pathetic. He should have the "C" stripped and be booed mercilessly. If St. Louis was 6'4" like Vinnie he'd easily be one of the top 5 players in the entire league. If Lecavalier was 5'8" like Marty he would not make the AHL.
    Personally, I think Tocchett sucks as a coach, but what's he supposed to do? Vinnie's been brutal.
    Also, I that overpaid floater in my pool, dammit! I thought he'd make a return to form with the injuries behind him and the Olympics looming. I was wrong. WAY wrong.
  17. habs1rule
    17. Posted by habs1rule Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:43 pm EST

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    @13 Hey there "Slick"!! Loving it!!
  18. William
    18. Posted by William Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:45 pm EST

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    Is Vinny Bertuzzi's brother?
  19. NostraChronus
    19. Posted by NostraChronus Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:49 pm EST

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    I wouldn't put my money on it.
  20. M
    20. Posted by M Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:00 pm EST

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    @GuyF not a run to hurt the guy or a toe to toe fight, but go over and kick the damn stick away and give him a chest bump and a face wash. Doing nothing is unacceptable. And your right everyone in this league really has some heart but just playing and refusing to lose are different things. That team doesn't seem to care and if Tocchet had been there for longer I would say they quit on him but he just got there, so they are quitting on themselves. That team has been floundering for a couple of years now move in a different direction. I actually used to love hating that team now there is nothing interesting about them.
  21. Lime D. Zeze
    21. Posted by Lime D. Zeze Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:03 pm EST

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    Tocchet seems like a bit of a twat. He's probably not there for long.
  22. bitter wings fan
    22. Posted by bitter wings fan Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:09 pm EST

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    "Any American networks doing that? Yeah, didn't think so..."
    that's because american networks don't care about hockey
  23. Jon A
    23. Posted by Jon A Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:13 pm EST

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    Hey Wysh, Tocchet called. He said since you wrote that one article that sucked yesterday, he is dropping you to co-author with noted Pulitzer threats McKeon and the TLP instead of being editor.
  24. TeasSJS
    24. Posted by TeasSJS Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:21 pm EST

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    @ GuyF - you missed what I said entirely, slick. I didn't say they wouldn't rip him now, what I said was if he was to be traded to Montreal, they'd praise him as the next savior. How about instead of trying to acting superior, you actually read the comment correctly? Like you said, thinking prior to posting is a good thing, but apparently you don't take your own advice.
  25. Justin J
    25. Posted by Justin J Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:40 pm EST

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    @2 Dead On!
    I think Tocchet is dead man walking, this reminds me of when Childress tried to throw the punter under the bus for a Vikings loss last year. But I think Tocchet's offense is way worse...

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