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Is Jordan Staal ready to join 'The Core'?

The debate over what to do with Jordan Staal has raged throughout PensNation for quite some time now. Some fans believe he'd be valuable trade bait to bring in a quality winger for Sidney Crosby and others think Staal is the type of player you win championships with.

Whatever side of the discussion you're on, this is a very important season for the future of Jordan Staal. He becomes a restricted free agent on July 1, but if Pittsburgh Penguins General Manager Ray Shero has his way, Staal will be locked up long-term well before then:

"If they really want to be here," he said Wednesday, "we'll find a way to make it work."

Puck's in your end now, Jordan.

But the key factor in this equation is what Shero hinted at: Does Staal want to stay in Pittsburgh? 

If he remains with the Penguins, he'll find himself behind guys named Crosby and Malkin on the depth chart at center. The 20-year old Thunder Bay, Ontario native has emerged as a dynamic shutdown center man on the third line for Pittsburgh. His long reach and strong skating stride makes it tough for opponents to out skate him, as evidenced by Staal's back-check on Detroit's Pavel Datsyuk to set up the overtime winner last week. 

While he's able to play wing at times, it seems as if his true role isn't the 29-goal scoring rookie we saw during the 2005-06 season -- it's that of a perennial Selke Trophy candidate.

In order to remain with the Penguins, Staal will have to ignore the lucrative offer sheets he'll likely receive should he make it to July 1 without a new contract; and like Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Brooks Orpik and Marc-Andre Fleury before him, commit to the Cup instead of the paycheck. 

Last week, Staal was talking more like he won't mind leaving some dollars out there: "I have a lot of great friends here. It's a great fit for me. It's a team I want to be part of. We're young and we want to grow together." 

It's obvious he realizes the promise in the Penguins locker room, but a few extra zeros on his paycheck can easily sway a 20-year old.

Over the weekend, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review's Rob Rossi tossed this nugget into a round-up column that gives hope to those Penguins fans hoping to keep Staal:

"C Jordan Staal's representatives and the Penguins are now cautiously optimistic of reaching a tentative agreement on a contract extension for the center, who can become a restricted free agent on July 1, 2009. Friends of Staal say he has conveyed to his agents a strong desire to sign a long-term deal - preferably soon. Staal's agent is scheduled to be in Pittsburgh on routine business this week."

Pittsburgh currently has about $36 million committed for next season among six forwards, five defensemen and one goaltender (Fleury). How much of a hometown discount would Staal take to remain with the Penguins? There's the chance of him receiving offer-sheets in the neighborhood of $4-5 million/year. 

If Ray Shero isn't able to lock up Staal before July 1, that $4-5 million/year offer could be too much for the Penguins to match.

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  1. Jon A
    1. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    Overrated. 'Nuff said.
  2. Jon A
    2. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    There is no way any GM with half a brain would pay Staal $4 mil a year. They are screwing themselves over and drastically overpaying a 2nd line center at best if they offer him that. If I'm Staal, I take the money and run cause that's a bogus deal.
  3. Hell Followed After
    3. Posted by Hell Followed After Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:40 pm EDT

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    they should use him to get malone back and maybe meszaros while they're at it, couldn't hurt huh?
  4. dloville
    4. Posted by dloville Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:45 pm EDT

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    @Jon A: most GM's don't pay on performance these days, they're paying on potential
  5. demondg1
    5. Posted by demondg1 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:41 pm EDT

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    1. Free Ryan Malone. But not at the expense of J. Steezy. - whome
    2. Staal isn't worth a monster contract to either the Pens or another team. But with that said Edmonton will still empty the bank for him.
    3. He is good trade bait, but I'd keep him in the fold unless the deal is far too good to pass up. (IE: Non-rental superstar goalscorers)
    4. He's in a really good situation to win and get some cups. Thus his value will be raised exponentially when/if he hits the UFA market in years to come. His payday will come. Later if not sooner.
  6. Leahy
    6. Posted by Leahy Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:27 pm EDT

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    @carl_vs_mastershake: the draft picks are good, but depends on your team. Offer-sheet draft picks would help an up and coming team more than a team like Pittsburgh who are viable contenders.
    And, how did you know I was at the Isles game last night? Stalking me now for those free t-shirts?
  7. b_jack_city
    7. Posted by b_jack_city Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:16 pm EDT

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    Yeah bring back Malone and all of his 3 goals and 4.5Mil/year? The reason Malone's gone is b/c the Pens couldn't afford him. How does trading Staal for Malone make him any more affordable? Staal for 3.5 to 4M would be a steal over 5 or 6 years considering the offers he's likely to get on the open market.
  8. Leahy
    8. Posted by Leahy Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:27 pm EDT

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    @whome: Ryan Malone is a classic case of a guy overachieving in a contract year,
  9. voiceofreason
    9. Posted by voiceofreason Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:17 pm EDT

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    too streaky a goalscorer for the megabucks - but he isn't a defensive liability - pens would basically be paying just to hedge against him becoming a top two line center superstar someplace else
  10. Jon A
    10. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    @ dloville: If that were true, I still wouldn't pay him $4 mil for his potential. And I disagree with you actually. With the new salary crap (oops, I mean *cap*), GM's will generally try to get away with the lowest "fair" offer to a player. They are going to pay on performance.
    And even if they did pay primarily on potential, Staal is in his 3rd year playing alongside 2 of the top 5 or 6 forwards in the league, and what does he have to show for it? His point total last year was barely more than half what it was the year before. If he has great potential, he has had every chance to turn it into results.
  11. Billkamm
    11. Posted by Billkamm Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    Underrated. 'Nuff said.
  12. Jon A
    12. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    If a draft pick was involved in a trade for Staal, Shero better make sure it's conditional, and that the conditions are heavily weighted in his favor.
  13. .................................................!
    13. Posted by .................................................! Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:44 pm EDT

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    Championship cores are made up of centers, goalies, and a blue chip defenseman or two. Scoring wingers fall off of trees these days, and they're only as good as the guy centering them. Pretty sure Crosby and Malkin can make goal scorers out of ham sandwiches.
    A two-way center like Staal is a rare commodity. He's the kind of guy you long for if you're embarking on a long playoff run. You don't give a guy like that up. You just don't.
  14. The KBBL Party Penguin
    14. Posted by The KBBL Party Penguin Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:04 pm EDT

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    Keeping Staal will seriously depend on moving salary elsewhere. I am left to wonder if the Boucher deal was done with an eye of moving a D-man at the trade deadline because when Sarge and Whits come back, there is a serious glut at the position and trading Syd for Boucher didn't seem to alleviate that.
    Sarge is making 5 mil this and next season. Whits is scheduled to make 6 I think. Teams looking for veteran scoring D-men might take the chance on Gonch at the deadline, but that's very improbable because if he does come back before that, It'll be doubtful he'll have enough playing time to showcase himself. Whits might be moved and clearing his salary would be huge, but the team will have to have absolute confidence that Letand and GoGO are the replacements and I'm not sure if compatible trade partners will think as highly of Whitney's salary as Pens Management does.
  15. Anthrax Jones
    15. Posted by Anthrax Jones Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:42 pm EDT

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    Jordan Staal is highly overrated. Give me a guy like Dan Cleary or Tomas Kopecky any day over the Staals, Malkins, and Crosbys of the world.
    --Jon A
  16. The KBBL Party Penguin
    16. Posted by The KBBL Party Penguin Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:04 pm EDT

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    Correction: I think I got Whit's salary wrong. I think it's 4 Mill actually. 6 years/24 million signed last year. I think I mixed up the years and the annual. My bad.
  17. Jon A
    17. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    @ Anthrax: What's with the smartass comments? First, when discussing talent or playing level, mentioning Staal in the same sentence as Crosby and Malkin should be a crime. If you seriously think he's in that level, you are a blinded ignorant dumbass. Second, I never said anything about Cleary or Kepecky being any better than Staal. Staal is not a bad player. But he is absolutely not as good as Pens fans think he is. And he is absolutely NOT deserving of any more that 2 mil a year based on his performance OR potential.
  18. Dave
    18. Posted by Dave Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:14 pm EDT

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    Jon A,
    Here's a kid that not only seems to be developing into an absolute defensive monster, but can also put home about 25-30 goals per year. He also plays his best hockey in big situations (his playoff performances so far, 3rd period/OT against the Wings). What about his game don't you like?
  19. Daniel C
    19. Posted by Daniel C Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    @ the kbbl part penguin- you really think the pens will move whitney in the second year of a six year contract? get real. and trading gonch would be just as stupid. contenders like pittsburgh don't unload talent at the trade deadline, they add as much as they can, often with little regard for the future (see: marian hossa). the pens won't have to move much salary at all as long as staal takes a hometown discount like the rest.
  20. carl_vs_mastershake
    20. Posted by carl_vs_mastershake Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:18 pm EDT

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    Leahy I'm not a pens fan at all so I don't follow their numbers. Just checked them out, Fedotenko, Satan, and Sykora are done after this year so around 8 mill. I haven't been to the City of Rust so I don't know how loved these guys are but I I'm guessing Staal would be signed before these 3 lads. If not the picks allow for rookie salaries to fill out the bottom 2 lines, which would be OK since a lot of their rookie salaries are playing in ATL.
    How do know were you are at all times? I have the Sword of Omens. It gives me sight beyond sight. Plus how many people go to a hockey game in batman Pjs?
  21. N. Y. NIGHTMARE
    21. Posted by N. Y. NIGHTMARE Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:06 pm EDT

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    MARC SHTALLLL IS THE BEST SHTALLLLLLL, (except for eric)
  22. Jon A
    22. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    Dave:
    So I guess he only scored 12 goals in 82 games last year because...
    And his "best hockey" in "playoff performances so far" which you speak of consists of only 7 points in 20 games last year (0.3 points/game) with a -4 rating (unusual for a team making it to the SCF) and 3 points in 5 games (0.4 points/game) and -1 rating. How is that his "best hockey?"
  23. Jon A
    23. Posted by Jon A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    BTW ny nightmare, Marc staal falls into 3rd place in that line.
  24. The KBBL Party Penguin
    24. Posted by The KBBL Party Penguin Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:04 pm EDT

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    @Dan C
    I think they would move them if moving the salary made sense to them. Between 2 players you have 9 million in combined Salary. You also have a glut of young defensemen on who a decision will have to be made. Sign to let them go after the time spent developing them.
    Facts are facts. The Pens face salary cap issues and they have players they want to sign and very little wiggle room to do it. After Gonch's contract expires, he's not going to be resigned. If you can move him early and free up the salary now, you do it.
    I am not a Whitney hater. Quite the opposite, I like his game and I understand what he brings to the team. However, if you feel that Letang or GoGo are equal to Whits and can be resigned for less, Whits becomes a valuable trade commodity to a team looking for a top 2 defenseman signed long term and not at ridiculous money "Campbell-money."
    If the Pens expect to keep Staal and get the scoring winger, they need to free up space somewhere and right now, with the other moves made so, that makes sense. If future moves change that, then you reexamine.
  25. carl_vs_mastershake
    25. Posted by carl_vs_mastershake Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:18 pm EDT

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    @# 16
    Anthrax is the best Metal band ever. Too bad Scott Ian is a camera whore.

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