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The Tampa Bay Lightning overpaid before they underpaid.

After trading for Ottawa Senators RFA defenseman Andrej Meszaros, the Lightning signed him to a six-year, $24-million contract. It's a cap hit of $4 million annually, which is right in the middle of what the Senators were offering and what the Meszaros camp wanted. It's slightly more than the combined cap hit of the players the Lightning traded ($3.8 million), but one million less than the rumored offer sheet for the defenseman.

Damian Cristodero of Lightning Strikes has the breakdown of the deal, and it's a rather shrewd one by Brian Lawton and Co.: $2.5-million next season; $3.25-million in 2009-10; $4-million in 2010-11 and 2011-12; $4.75-million in 20012-13; $5.5-million in 2013-14. After a summer as a holdout RFA, Meszaros is going to make less on base salary next season than Matt Carle ($2.95 million). That's a win for Tampa.

But getting Meszaros down to Tampa was a study in the subtle but often disastrous domino effect of hockey transactions.

The Bolts trade their draft pick to the Pittsburgh Penguins for negotiating rights to Gary Roberts and Ryan Malone; the pick they'd later need to sign Meszaros to the rumored RFA contract. Minus that option, the Bolts had to broker a deal with the Senators, and thus had to overpay.

The Senators were ready to deal him -- GM Bryan Murray cited salary concerns and Meszaros's inconsistent play -- but owned the negotiating high ground. So it took defensemen Filip Kuba and Alexandre Picard, and San Jose's No. 1 pick in 2009, to snag Meszaros, which is a stunning overpayment on several fronts. Hell, even Meszaros was surprised by the talent going to Ottawa.

Let's start with Picard, because Kuba was expendable. He was being pimped as a cornerstone player for this Tampa Bay defense when it was being maligned by critics earlier this summer. He's a 22-year-old difference maker with some upside. Lawton could only be honest in an interview with Lightning Strikes: "They were insistent upon him. We didn't want to trade him, quite frankly."

But the real disappointment here is in the Lightning's failure to cut salary and trim the overload of forwards on its roster, while at the same time adding Meszaros to a woefully inexperienced blueline. Lawton, in speaking to Cristodero, is borderline delusional:

"We're excited about the future, no doubt about that, but do I think this is a downgrade to be better three years down the road? No. I think this is something that's going to make our team better immediately."

Erik Erlendsson of the Tampa Tribune asks if Lightning fans are confident in the current collection of defensemen; I'd ask if confidence is even a consideration when only two players (Meszaros and Paul Ranger) have more than 200 games of NHL experience.

Changes could still be on the way, as a player like Jussi Jokinen has value and should be moved before the season starts. Hopefully any move adds a veteran body to the defense.

Stu Hackel of Slap Shot has a look at the Senators' new defense (along with some disconcerting KHL bluster). Sens Army only likes this deal if the cap savings in Ottawa are used wisely.

One last thought: If you had to put a beer on it, will Andrej Meszaros or Dan Boyle have more points at the end of this season?

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  1. # huit
    1. Posted by # huit Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:33 pm EDT

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    more proofs that there is no reason for hockey team in vegas, tampa is already taking care of gambling... they are specialized in game called "if we have enough forwards, we don't need defense, right?"
  2. # huit
    2. Posted by # huit Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:33 pm EDT

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    more proofs that there is no reason for hockey team in vegas, tampa is already taking care of gambling... they are specialized in game called "if we have enough forwards, we don't need defense, right?"
  3. CHRIS H
    3. Posted by CHRIS H Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 pm EDT

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    Sens fans have to give props to Murray on this move! We (the Sens) went from looking at overpaying a player who hasn't lived up to his potential, to watching this player sit out an entire season and hurt our roster as well as his own career, to landing a proven defenceman in Kuba with almost identical numbers to Mesz (in '07-'08)...AND a super young local talent in Picard....AND AND a first round 2009 draft pick!
    Love this deal! Mesz, I hope you flop in Tampa! Greed has never been a benchmark for success in this league and the Senators just screwed the Bolts (I love hardware store metaphors!) big time for at least the short term, and maybe for years if Picard gels as an NHL star and Mesz continues to count his money instead of his lucky stars that he's being paid so much.
    Thank you Brian Murray! One of the great GMs of our time.
    It's coming! October 4th, 2009 on Alfie's home soil!!
  4. Russell P
    4. Posted by Russell P Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:56 pm EDT

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    Certainly hopes this turns out better for Murray than the "steal" he had against the Canes last season. I don't see how you can give Murray credit for this without weighing the idiocy of the Lightning. For a team that is rebuilding, they've certainly taken a lot of risks. If they can't turn some of these contracts into something profitable they will find themselves right where they were last season, trying to move talent whose only problem is that it is overpaid.
  5. Bob
    5. Posted by Bob Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:00 pm EDT

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    "Thank you Brian Murray. One of the great GMs of our time"
    Isn't this the same guy who traded away Joe Corvo and Patrick Eaves and has nothing to show for it?
  6. pianow
    6. Posted by pianow Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:10 pm EDT

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    I'd bet a case on Boyle, just needs to stay healthy.
  7. Peter G
    7. Posted by Peter G Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:26 pm EDT

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    Eaves has a concussion problem, and Corvo wasn't happy.
    He's no fool.
    Couldn't have afforded Corvo anyways, and Stillman was worth the risk.
    But this trade, this is a beauty. Experience, youth, and... a first round pick. OMG, he had them on a string.
  8. Journeyman
    8. Posted by Journeyman Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:49 pm EDT

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    Tampa Bay reminds me a lot of the 05-06 Penguins. Throw together a seemingly nice haul of free agent forwards and hope they all work together. Then bring a coach in out of the broadcast booth because that's always a smart move. I wouldn't be surprised to see them picking high again next year. I think these moves will look pretty foolish in hindsight. Roberts and Recchi are too old, Malone and Vrbata were overpaid, I think Tampa is gonna be screwed for a while. They're mortgaging the future for a team that isn't going to win.
  9. Wyshynski
    9. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ HungryLikeAnUlf
    First off, awesome handle.
    I agree on Vrbata. Not sure why that signing hasn't been scrutinized more, because he was a classic contract-year player.
  10. Commy #22
    10. Posted by Commy #22 Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:00 pm EDT

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    like the move fo TB they pick a d-man that they needed...and get rid of a wash up in Kubina and havent scene much of Picard play...
  11. Commy #22
    11. Posted by Commy #22 Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:00 pm EDT

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    TB will need to score like 8 goals agaim to get it into overtime or a shoot out...may make the play offs but wont win a game in the playoffs...they have no goaltending (no offence to Smith and Kolzig) and D is very weak
  12. seenstamkos?
    12. Posted by seenstamkos? Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:30 pm EDT

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    Hey Wyshynski, Do you have some kind of obsession with the Lightning? Everytime I read your article, you're "defecating" on them. Please just sit back, have a pilsner, throw FUBAR into your dvd player, and don't talk about them until the season starts. If they blow as bad as tron next season, then you can talk as much schmitts as want about them, but lets see how the season goes first. And who needs D when you have Stamkos?
  13. seenstamkos?
    13. Posted by seenstamkos? Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:30 pm EDT

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    P.S. Picard blows... He could be a decent NHL player if he ever puts his purse down and takes off his skirt
  14. Bob
    14. Posted by Bob Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 pm EDT

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    Hey number 10 what year are you talking about.First off they got rid of Kubina a few years ago.They gave up Filip Kuba.Two different guys.Second just because you havent seen a guy much doesnt mean you get rid of him.This looks like a bad trade for the Lightning.WTF are they gonna turn into the Rangers of the south with all the old and overpaid players.
  15. The Franchise
    15. Posted by The Franchise Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:57 pm EDT

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    Bolts were looking to rid themselvs of Kuba...so in the end, it was a first round pick of from San Jose (which shouldn't be that high) and Picard (whose shown promise but still unproven) for Meszaros who can provided immediate returns. Have they answered all their questions on defense? No. Are they still overloaded at forward? Yes. So, yes there's still areas that need addressed. And Picard may develop into a fine player but for this season I beleive the deal is a net improvement. May come down to the all important "team chemistry"...and just how solid are they in goal with Smith & Olie. That concerns me most.
  16. Deke
    16. Posted by Deke Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:47 pm EDT

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    Bob what the heck are u talking about-Rangers of the south? Get a clue bozo how is 23 old? If you are talking about Roberts/Recci or Kolzig then say so but these are upgrades from any of the so called players we had last year. I would be looking at better rather than age when it comes to replacing last years squad.TB has nothing in the minors to bring up that is why all the aquisitions this off season. So far the additions of the players is definetely an upgrade.
  17. shadfax
    17. Posted by shadfax Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:15 pm EDT

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    The trade is great for Tampa this year and Ott might get the better end later...we'll see...but the dismantling of a team that went to the cup but didn't win has been a interesting exhibit in useless management. Since good/great defencemen are the most valuable assets in the NHL and we have seen Ottawa lose Chara, Redden, Gleason, Corvo,and Meszaros...you have to wonder had they just focused on keeping their defencemen and two great forwards could they have had a team like Detroit? Now they are scrambling to rebuild.
  18. Deke
    18. Posted by Deke Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:47 pm EDT

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    Good point Shadfax regarding the D of OTT. One would only wonder why giving up such good talent on D that there is not more of a backlash?
  19. 5 4 fighting
    19. Posted by 5 4 fighting Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    I am still at a loss regarding the trade, why all the puking and moaning. If I was the owner of the Lightning or calling the shots I sure would have been pissed regarding one of the worst D's stat wise from last years teams.Why would you want to maintain status quo and hope they change this year-why not get rid of the bunch and start over.Whats wrong with this trade with Piccard and Kuba? Piccard was a cheap aquisition, a castaway from Philly and why he is being built up? At best he is a steady D with no big upswing. Kuba was a good D with a decent shot from the point butr was prone to getting beat with speed and not very physical. Mezz is younger with more upside, he just needs to grow up and produce like he is supposed to.Worth the gamble considering the play of D from the Lightning last year.
  20. Spock Here
    20. Posted by Spock Here Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:28 pm EDT

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    As a Lightning fan I didn't like the fact that they traded Picard. I thought while watching him last year that we got a good one cheap. Kuba was too slow and definitely not physical enough. I'm not sure Mezz is the answer either, but like 5 4 fighting said they didn't do anything last year so, new ownership, new players. The glut of forwards can only mean some more trades are on the horizon. Goaltending is fair. Everyone one is touting Smith and Olie, but I think the guy of the future is Ramo. After watching him finish out last season it seemed like he wanted the starting job and could be capable of handling it for extended periods of time. Unfortunetly for him we acquired Olie. I'm pretty sure we aren't going to win the Cup but I believe we will be alot better than last year. After all how much worse can you get?
  21. Wyshynski
    21. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ seenstamkos? --
    I've actually been one of the few who has endorsed a "wait and see" approach to Lightning management. But I think their handling of the defensive problems for this team has been discouraging.
  22. D.Kolman
    22. Posted by D.Kolman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    i think it was a good trade for the lightning. they got a better defensemen and didnt lose much.
    D.Kolman
  23. Kawsmoe
    23. Posted by Kawsmoe Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:10 pm EDT

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    I don't like getting rid of Picard. I'm really starting to not like Kroules and Barrie. Spending Money doesn't equal wins. Take a look at the New York Yankees. Money doesn't replace chemistry. It's getting so bad, that you should have either Kroules or Barrie write the fantasy hockey column, because that's the way they are treating this team.
  24. Peter
    24. Posted by Peter Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:14 pm EDT

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    The deal will take years to assess fully.
    Does Picard keep developing?
    Can Meszaros prove he's a top-2 defenseman?
    Will Kuba scored 35-40 points and help QB the Sens power play
    with potential rookie-of-the-year D-man Brian Lee?
    It will require time and patience to truly discern,
    something that's not popular in this rush-to-judgement
    world that we live in.
  25. JR
    25. Posted by JR Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:08 pm EDT

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    jussi, ouellet, and other forwards were always in the plans to trade...before the season starts tbl should have 2 or 3 new d-men. the line is inexperienced...but no one can say it is bad, all those young players would be considered great pickups if any other team added them to their "good" defense as opposed to them staying on this (in some people's opinion) "bad" defense. some people's bias is so clear it is utterly retarded. it's funny cause the whole, "they are inexperienced" works both ways....they are inexperienced and we haven't seen them play so they must be "bad"...but if you haven't seen them play and they have that potential, how would you "know"?

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