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The NHL's participation in the Olympics is, to put it mildly, problematic. There are no tangible benefits to the League for shutting down its season to participate in the Games every four years. An international stage tailor-made for the birth of new stars is hogged by established ones. Oh, and once in a while a team will decide to have a fire extinguisher party on the fifth floor of their hotel. Never good.

Is there any going back to the days when a ragtag collection of college-aged kids would lace up the skates and get shellacked by foreign-born professionals, save for an occasional "Miracle?" Hard to say, but also hard to see the pros' participation ending in the near future. The NHLPA wants increased international player participation beyond the Olympics; and for 2014, the NHL's Russian players are ready to raise hell if they're not allowed to play in Sochi. 

But with the 30th anniversary of that aforementioned Miracle arriving next year with the 2010 Winter Games in Vancouver, it's natural that a movement to bring the Olympics back to its "uncorrupted" amateur ideals will get rolling again. One of our favorite curmudgeons, Stan Fischler, is already making his case on MaxHockey.com:

The Olympics merely get in the way of all the genuine fun. Everything gets disrupted; from the schedule; to injuries; to a huge mid-season hiatus that throws everybody off-kilter. No it doesn't have to be this way and we -- sane-thinkers -- know how it should be because we've been there (1960, 1980) and done that.

In 1960 a Minnesota goalie named Jack McCartan who -- until then -- never had played an NHL game led an underdog American team to the Gold Medal, topping the Holier-Than-Thou Canadians and the Russians en route to the title.

That victory was underplayed compared with Uncle Sam's "Miracle On Ice" melodrama paced by Herb Brooks and his merry band of Mike Eruziones, Ken Morrows and Jim Craigs. Who needs the pros?

Ah, but the pros need the Olympics, or so they say. What we have here is a stalemate of valorous sentiments -- representing one's country vs. that nebulous (and myopic) notion of the "true" Olympic spirit of amatuer competition. How to break the impasse? Why, with the wonderfully loopy notion that ice hockey should be played in the Summer Olympics, of course.

Jim Diamond of the Examiner has been ... well, examining the Olympics issue in a two-part series (Part 1 is here). In Part 2, he elaborates on an idea suggested by that rascal of out-of-the-box hockey thinking, Toronto Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke, in which Burke suggests that hockey should find a home in the Summer Games.

From Diamond:

There is a precedent for summertime hockey though. Ice hockey made its first Olympic appearance in the 1920 Summer Olympics in Antwerp, Belgium. It was moved to the Winter Olympics when they started in 1924 in Chamonix, France.

From the NHL's perspective, hockey in the Summer Olympics would not cause a stoppage of play in the season, thereby keeping the integrity of the league's schedule. The Olympics would be played at least a month after the conclusion of the Stanley Cup Finals and a month or so before the start of training camp in September.

From the player's perspective, they would not have to interrupt their already grueling regular season to compete in a two-week long, high-intensity international tournament likely played thousands of miles away from North America, and then return for the stretch run of the NHL regular season, followed by two months of high-intensity playoff hockey.

He goes on to explain how the move will benefit the IOC and allow the NHLPA to achieve its other goal, which is a semi-annual World Cup even that could be a windfall for the players. (He also suggests trading table tennis and rhythmic gymnastics for ice hockey, which is like the Thrashers trading Marty Reasoner(notes) and Johan Hedberg(notes) for Malkin.)

The change would mean amending the Olympic Charter, which Diamond writes would take a two-thirds majority of IOC's voting members; you know, the ones that hate America by killing the stuff we're good at.

Unfortunately, as Stu Hackel of the New York Times mentioned earlier this year, the IOC isn't into the idea of moving ice hockey to the Summer Games because it would gut the Winter Games of a marquee sport -- a valid argument. Plus, it would place hockey in a very crowded field of events in the Summer Olympics.

So we're left with hockey in the Winter Olympics; and, unless the players association is a complete mess by the time the CBA negotiation rolls around, we'll have professionals competing in them.

But don't think Bettman isn't already preparing for that fight.

(H/T Illegal Curve for the Fischler piece.)

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  1. Coach Isiah Thompson
    1. Posted by Coach Isiah Thompson Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:15 pm EDT

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    If you intentionally shoot the puck at a player's head, it's very dangerous because in the head is the brain!
  2. R C
    2. Posted by R C Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:32 pm EDT

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    What's Fischler's argument exactly? It's better with amateurs because the US has won when amateurs were involved?
  3. FreeBonds
    3. Posted by FreeBonds Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:38 pm EDT

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    Leave the Olympics to amateur athletes. I feel the same way about basketball.
  4. big audio
    4. Posted by big audio Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:05 pm EDT

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    I also believe that amateurs are the only ones who should be allowed to participate in the Olympics.
    However, the Olympics is just like the NHL, the NBA, the english Premiere League, the NCAA ... its all about the $$$$. The $$$$ talks, everything else walks. The Olympics are no different, even though they would have you believe they are not. Any athlete who has their own sponsor should be considered a professional too. But since its all about the $$$$, any thoughts about honesty and justice and doing what is right are out of the question.
    Of course, the NHL owners don't like the Olympics, the reasons are many.
    Case in point: an NHL game in february on Versus will get nary a blip on the rating chart. But suspend the NHL for 2 weeks right before their own season's homestretch, re-align the players' affiliations based on their origins rather than the city's team that pays them, and voila, its one of the biggest attractions of the entire damn Olympics. The NHL, the self-claimed "best hockey in the world", gets outdone by a once-every-4-year round-robin tournament featuring the best of its own players ... the NHL is the laughing stock of professional sports leagues, and its all due to the current league governing grand high exalted mystic ruler himself, Gary Bettman.
    Since Bettman has a woody for overseas promotion of the league, the Olympics will always overrule him. However, in my opinion, Mr. Bettman should instead TRY PROMOTING THE GAME IN THE MARKETS THAST HAVE NHL HOCKEY AND ARE FAILING. Ugh, he can't get people in Phoenix or Nashville or Miami (all well-known hotbeds of hockey) to pay to see his crappy league, but he is going to get europeans to buy into the NHL?
    Waitress ....... oh, WAITRESS ......... CHECK PLEASE.
  5. Matt
    5. Posted by Matt Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:14 pm EDT

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    What does this have to do with the Crapitals?
  6. Al S.
    6. Posted by Al S. Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:16 pm EDT

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    I considered this idea, but when say Rio gets the Summer Olympics, they now need to build an ice rink, plus the host nation gets to field a team. And if we thought the Japan and Italy teams were terrible- let's just say I doubt the world is ready for Brazilian hockey. And then we get to compete with soccer and basketball as marquee sports, while winter sports is left with curling and the biathlon and maybe some figure skating.
    In other words, it would create more problems than it solves. Maybe Bettman just needs to time his lockouts better instead.
  7. Garth
    7. Posted by Garth Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:33 pm EDT

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    "And if we thought the Japan and Italy teams were terrible- let's just say I doubt the world is ready for Brazilian hockey."
    I doubt it would change the teams that compete...
  8. puck it dano
    8. Posted by puck it dano Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:40 pm EDT

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    Move swimming to the winter games.... they're held indoors, so what's the difference?
  9. The World Famous Butt Pirate
    9. Posted by The World Famous Butt Pirate Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:33 pm EDT

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    Yeah, the NHL has nothing to gain by letting their players participate. The last thing that league needs is for its players to get international exposure. Leave us out of it - we'll be on the "Outdoor Life Network" - or is it "Versus?" or what the hell is it? - if you need us.
  10. Nukes
    10. Posted by Nukes Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:54 pm EDT

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    The more diluted the talent pool is, the better, right Gary? Who wants to see the best players in the world condensed into anything less than 30 teams?
  11. habs1rule
    11. Posted by habs1rule Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:02 pm EDT

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    A form of the Protective Cup was invented many years before any Head gear was..Which shows us all where our "Priorities" and thought processes lie!!
  12. habs1rule
    12. Posted by habs1rule Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:08 pm EDT

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    Seriously, A Few comments here...First, fans of Western countries were always angry with the Soviet Bloc teams because their definition of what an Amateur and Professional were so different from ours..Well, now the times are changed, so lets get the kids back into the Olympics, and do away with all of this Nationalism crap!! Several wars where started because of that sh-it.. Secondly...How about injury factors, especially from some of the better teams that are sending several representatives to these games..How about the wear and tear of players once the season winds down.. Lastly...There would have never been a "Miracle on Ice " if we had sent professionals thirty years ago!!
  13. Garth the Hoser
    13. Posted by Garth the Hoser Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:40 pm EDT

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    "The Olympics merely get in the way of all the genuine fun. Everything gets disrupted; from the schedule; to injuries; to a huge mid-season hiatus that throws everybody off-kilter."
    I didn't think I'd live long enough, but I agree with the old b@stard 100%.
    They take the best pro sport in the world, condense the sh1T out of the sked so that teams have to travel thousands of miles to repeatedly play 4 games in 6 nights, at the risk injuries to players and watered-down effort as a reward for fans, and interrupt the drama for paying customers just as the race for the playoffs is heating up - just so players being paid a billion dollars can reorganize themselves along ethnic lines to play some third-rate shinny tournament where only 3 or maybe 4 teams are competitive and the remainder are a joke who skate on their ankles and are as likely to win gold as the non-American swimmers in the Krusty Olympics episode of the Simpsons.
    The Olympics for a puss1es who enjoy a good cry at the drama of it all, who think that broken-down loser Jim Craig boning off a couple of fluke wins because Tretiak was hung over on Smirnoff is the ultimate feel-good story.
    Get over yourselves, U.S. America. You fluked into a couple of wins. Get over yourselves Canada, getting excited about winning at an inferior tournament is beneath your dignity. As for the Euros: go play with yourselves.
  14. Guy F
    14. Posted by Guy F Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:45 pm EDT

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    @ RC : Precisely.
  15. habs1rule
    15. Posted by habs1rule Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:49 pm EDT

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    Garth, Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion of the United States sending their NBA players to the Olympics..Fifty expletitives or less if you please, lol!!
  16. R.J.S
    16. Posted by R.J.S Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:28 am EDT

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    No way NBC agrees to Hockey as a Summer Olympics sport. It would compete for air time with "dream team" basketball in the summer games and it would cut into audiences tuning in to a hockey-less winter games.
    TV is ALWAYS the Number 1 consideration for the idiots who run these things.
  17. Julian A
    17. Posted by Julian A Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:48 am EDT

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    For those of you who like teh idea of amateurs in the olympics, please define exactly what makes a player 'an amateur', and how exactly the IOC would decide who was eligible to play.... i'm curious as to what sort of players people think would play in this league. For the US, it's easy, "college players", but what about the rest of the world?
  18. habs1rule
    18. Posted by habs1rule Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:32 am EDT

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    Before the 1984 Olympics, a dispute arose over what constituted a professional player..The IOC had adopted a rule that made Any Player who signed an NHL contract but played less than 10 games in the league eligible for the Olympics..The US Olympic Committee disagreed, saying if you signed any contract, you were a professional, and couldnt participate..In 1986, The I.O.C allowed all NHL players to participate. So basically, some College and Junior players under the old rule wouldnt be considered Amatures if they signed Pro contracts..Then you would probably have a whole new set of rules for the Overseas players...
  19. laguna_sunrise
    19. Posted by laguna_sunrise Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:43 am EDT

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    I never understood the argument for only amateurs competing in the Olympics in any sport. The Olympics is about competition between countries in various sports with each country's best athletes representing them. Any athlete, professional or amateur, should be competing in the Olympics if they are, in fact, their country's best.
  20. R C
    20. Posted by R C Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:08 am EDT

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    @ Garth, only 3 or 4 teams are competitive? Are you full on delusional or was that just the product of a moment of stupidity? There are 7 teams that have a legit claim for a medal in 2010, only the final 2 qualifiers are clear second rate teams.
  21. Stilly
    21. Posted by Stilly Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:09 am EDT

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    @19
    "how exactly the IOC would decide who was eligible to play"
    If you get paid to play. You're a professional.
    I'm fine with professionals in the Olympics. If it's an international competition of the best athletes in the world... wouldn't you want to see the best athletes in the world? Frankly I find this notion that having professional athletes at the game dliutes the 'spirit' of the competition to be complete hogwash.
  22. Tacks
    22. Posted by Tacks Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:31 am EDT

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    Just ask season ticket holders - do you want the assets that you pay for being used by someone for free with possible risk of injury. Let the vote carry the decision.
  23. Paul
    23. Posted by Paul Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:37 am EDT

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    Bettman needs to go, since he has taken over as commissioner the league has gone backwards and lost the momentum it had in the 80's and early 90's when it was eclipsing the NBA in popularity. During Bettman's tenure we have lost a season and a half to labor disputes, seen salaries skyrocket, seen expansion into areas that cannot sustain teams long-term and dilute the talent pool further, and numerous short-term and ill-thought out business decisions from marketing to television contracts. The league and sport as a whole needs to get back to its roots. Die-hard hockey fans are not created through marketing wizardry, they are created by other die-hard hockey fans. All Bettman has done is marginalize the lifelong fans of the game in the hopes of scoring the quick dollar, and the league has paid a steep price.
  24. R C
    24. Posted by R C Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:31 am EDT

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    @ Stilly, the problem with that definition of professional is that it leaves the US as pretty much the only country with eligible players. Most Europeans are paid to play by the time they're 17-18, and most CHL players are also paid. NCAA players are the only ones left.
  25. GT
    25. Posted by GT Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:59 am EDT

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    I actually like the summer idea, though I don't foresee it happening. Or, what they could do is have a World Cup tournament bi-yearly and have amateurs play in the Olympics. I know World Cup isn't the Olympics, but it's hockey centric and would not compete against other events.

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