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Losing in the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs to the Pittsburgh Penguins probably wasn't the level of success the Philadelphia Flyers wanted to achieve this season.

But from the sounds of things, at least they were able to fall back on other memorable moments: In beer pong or flip cup, theoretically.

GM Paul Holmgren did a Q&A with Wayne Fish of PhillyBurbs.com recently that candidly touched on his relatively young team's love of the nightlife. Fish asked him if there were any concerns from management, and Holmgren replied:

Holmgren: "Let me say this: The issue has been raised by (coach) John (Stevens) and myself with all the players.

"I think this all falls under the umbrella of discipline. It's on-ice discipline - not overstaying-your-shift discipline - it's off-ice discipline, it's night before a game taking better care of ourselves. That's a natural maturation process that a lot of our younger players are still going through. We've addressed that. So am I concerned about it? We'll see how it goes this year. All our players have been talked to about it. Is it an issue? The fact that we've talked about it, I guess it is an issue."

Fish asked if the lecture stemmed from a particular incident, and Holmgren dodged it thusly:

Holmgren: "If you look at our season, I don't know if we were fatigued (at the end) but our record wasn't what it needed to be going into the playoffs. In the Eastern finals, Pittsburgh and Carolina were the two teams playing. They were the best teams over the last 20 games (of the regular season). So did they take better care of themselves as a team? Why did they win and we stubbed our toe? We can't win 82 games but, each loss, you can't just say it's one game. It's unacceptable."

Interesting stuff. The Flyers were famously captured "crashing" a Temple University frat party earlier this season (some NSFW photos), which did nothing to dispel this reputation. Neither did Joffrey Lupul's(notes) boozy (and ironic) appearance on VH1's "Sober House."

So the Flyers become the umpteenth young team in recent memory that parties too hard, gets a reality check from management and then either straightens up or squanders its potential. Did executives even have these discussions with players in the 1970s? And if they did, was it over a few beers?

Bottom line: Ray Emery(notes) either signed with the Flyers one year too late or with perfect timing.

Thanks to Flyers blogger Ronnie Brook for the tip. He has a follow-up post that attempts to track wins and losses after "party nights."

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  1. Lady Gaga
    1. Posted by Lady Gaga Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:50 pm EDT

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    Emery, McGratton and Spezza were all cokeheads when they partied.
  2. Hemsky
    2. Posted by Hemsky Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:50 pm EDT

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    Emery's gonna show these nubs how to really party.
  3. wade
    3. Posted by wade Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:54 pm EDT

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    Buncha beer leaguers.
  4. General ZOd
    4. Posted by General ZOd Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:58 pm EDT

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    another excuse to why they can't make it past the 1st or 2nd round.
  5. thenachofan
    5. Posted by thenachofan Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:58 pm EDT

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    Quite a busy day for Puck Daddy, it seems. Emery's gonna show 'em little punks!
  6. Garth the Hoser
    6. Posted by Garth the Hoser Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:06 pm EDT

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    The Bruins won two Cups while perpetually in the bag, if the stories are to be believed.
    Young. Famous. These day, rich. I guess they're going to party. They're doing what we'd all do.
  7. unclecoold
    7. Posted by unclecoold Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:37 pm EDT

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    The Flyers need to make better use of of their under-21 players, you know, like the Penguins. The Penguins are all safely tucked-in by Mario before 11 PM.
  8. Matt
    8. Posted by Matt Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:48 pm EDT

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    The champion Pens party in Pittsburgh's southside all of the time. Next story.
  9. jrobins215
    9. Posted by jrobins215 Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:49 pm EDT

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    I seem to recall hearing a story about a Cubs player named Hack Wilson back in the 30s who got so tanked before games the manager would send players out to drag him out of the bar, dunk him in ice water, put his uniform and cleats on, and the guy managed to hit 191 RBIs in 1930. Dude was a friggin' icon back in the day. And we're freaking out over hockey players getting boozy in Philly.
    Any veteran Flyer telling the kids to stop partying is secretly thanking the gods that cell phone cameras weren't around in the 70s.
  10. Derek F
    10. Posted by Derek F Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:55 pm EDT

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    The Pens partied during the Cane series in Raleigh. But had the luxury of an extra day off. This is just a lame excuse for the Flyers.
  11. MALKINTENT 71
    11. Posted by MALKINTENT 71 Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:07 pm EDT

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    Ladies and gentlemen your 2009 stanley cup champions the pittsburgh penguins!!!!!!!!!!!!
  12. DT
    12. Posted by DT Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:14 pm EDT

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    People get on Crosby for being too stuffy and serious, and then on the opposite end of the spectrum, your Philadelphia Flyers. Spectrum pun intended.
  13. Bill
    13. Posted by Bill Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:25 pm EDT

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    I don't know if anyone remembers last off season Jordan Staal and a few others were arrested at Staal's brother's bachelor party, I think it was, for underage drinking. If it's something occasional I'm sure management will look the other way. If they are getting carried away, it's gonna be a problem.
  14. Cale P
    14. Posted by Cale P Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:28 pm EDT

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    I'm hoping Ray Emery's return spawns a sequel to one of the best Knob Hockey episodes.
    "We might be in Buffalo, but it ain't Miller time tonight! MMMM-MMM!"
  15. Flyers97
    15. Posted by Flyers97 Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:35 pm EDT

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    dont mess with the old city crew there puck daddy.
  16. N. Y. NIGHTMARE
    16. Posted by N. Y. NIGHTMARE Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:38 pm EDT

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    all the girls in these cute little flyers pictures at beat! woof
  17. Flyers97
    17. Posted by Flyers97 Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:41 pm EDT

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    flyers should tell occ what really happen to pelle lindberg and maybe it would spook them out
  18. robdentex
    18. Posted by robdentex Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:48 pm EDT

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    If the NHL wants to be considered as a professional sports league then the teams need to address players that party
    too much such Canadiens players in Speedos at a Montreal
    club.
    Professional sports these days is no the same as it was a generation or two ago.
    As a fan I would be pissed off that my team blew a game because they were hammered the night before a game.
  19. Carcy
    19. Posted by Carcy Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:49 pm EDT

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    if only i knew what NSFW meant before i clicked on it...then I went oh.
  20. Space Weed
    20. Posted by Space Weed Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:47 pm EDT

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    Habs and Flyers in the Stanley Keg Finals. Emery's gonna get into the ultimate barfight, and Carey Price is gonna set a world record for most cigarettes smoked at the same time
  21. tom
    21. Posted by tom Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:19 pm EDT

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    what do they expect when they field a team of goons and hacks instead of hockey players?
  22. Michael G
    22. Posted by Michael G Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:25 pm EDT

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    I remember stories about Flyers players in the Broad St Bullies days who would walk into some hole in the wall at 2 AM and coach Fred Shero would be in there at the bar. Of course most of the players in the league were drunks then.
  23. Geoff D
    23. Posted by Geoff D Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:37 pm EDT

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    lupul drank his way out of edmonton, doesnt surprise me about the flyers
  24. firewing
    24. Posted by firewing Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:59 pm EDT

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    hey #21, the biggest hacks and goons in the league are from the other penn city. they got rewarded with a free cup. of course the capt of the pens is blowing the commish so i guess we should have expected it. your stupidity is showing go back to football little girl. its also the other penn city that was given a superbowl by the refs to. do you see a pattern forming here ? rotflmao
  25. Kanay D
    25. Posted by Kanay D Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:01 pm EDT

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    These party boys need to be made to sit and watch a highlight reel of Pele Lindbergh and end it with his smashed up car to show them what too much partying can lead to. Just because they're stars doesn't mean they're invincible. Oh, and all you loser Pens fans: not every team has a Mario to tuck them in at night like Cindy does. How many years has he been in the league and how much money does he make and he STILL lives in Mario's basement? HAHAHA that's the definition of loser. I'm surprised he's not a paperboy in the off season too.

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