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Losing Kimmo Timonen for the series against the Pittsburgh Penguins was a devastating subtraction for the Philadelphia Flyers. Here's a defenseman who played to a minus-rating just three times in 12 games, led the Flyers in time on ice and quarterbacked a power play that was humming through the first two rounds but has looked dreary at times in going 1-for-6 against the Penguins.

An incredible load was shifted to defenseman Braydon Coburn for this series; one puck to the face later (video), and a unit that had played so well in front of goaltender Marty Biron during the playoffs has been thrown into chaos. Mike Sielski of PhillyBurbs.com tells it like it is:

Their two best defensemen are down. Kimmo Timonen is definitely out for the rest of this series, and with reportedly more than 40 stitches jutting near his left eye, Coburn might be, too, and down two games to none, the Flyers stand at the bottom of a hill that seems too steep to climb.

No Timonen? No Coburn? Sorry, no chance.

Sielski goes on to write that if "Coburn is out for Games 3 and 4 back in Philadelphia, the damage to the Flyers' quest for the Stanley Cup can't be undone." It's hard to argue that point. What is up for debate is whether Coburn should be the latest poster boy for those who advocate mandatory visors for NHL players. Columnist Steve Simmons of Sun Media called Coburn's injury "another sad and shining example of a hockey player who doesn't wear a visor."

The issue of mandatory visors is a decidedly new school vs. old school argument. Stan Fischler, who is practically Jurassic school, believes mandating visors is "thoroughly ridiculous," using that wonderful "it's a free country" argument that keeps so many Americans defiantly driving without seat belts in 2008. But people like former Phoenix Coyotes GM Mike Barnett have been arguing since 2002 that visors are necessary to protect against irreparable damage to players' vision. His contention, shared by players like defenseman Sean O'Donnell, is that the League should grandfather in a visor rule, respecting the rights of veteran players to continue to play without them.

It's a delicate debate about what many believe is an undeniable right for players and what others believe is a basic issue of safety. Last night, arena workers were able to quickly scrape away the blood from the ice with shovels. For critics of the NHL's refusal to mandate visors, it's a lot harder for the League to wash the blood off of its hands.

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  1. FIGHTCLUB-PA
    1. Posted by FIGHTCLUB-PA Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:10 pm EDT

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    #1
  2. FIGHTCLUB-PA
    2. Posted by FIGHTCLUB-PA Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:10 pm EDT

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    what was the damage to his face????no one is saying much!
  3. Wyshynski
    3. Posted by Wyshynski Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    @ Flyers Suck --
    Yeah, Downie didn't exactly look ready for prime time on that turnover.
  4. 87
    4. Posted by 87 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:57 pm EDT

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    Flyers....Done!!!!!
  5. James M
    5. Posted by James M Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    Visor or no visor......hummm. Ya know, when the helmets went on, the sticks went up. In the old days the sticks didn't come up so much, unless Bobby Clarke was trying to carve someone up.(couldn't resist that) Will there be more head hunting with a visor on?
    Still, it may not be a bad idea. Ya hate to see someone get hurt bad, with an errant puck.
  6. El Becko
    6. Posted by El Becko Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:19 pm EDT

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    Top two defensemen out, down 2 games to none. We've got the Penguins right where we want them.
    Gloat all you want Pens fans, you're beating (barely) a depleted team. I know injurues are part of the game and accept the losses that they bring but any Pens fan that doesn't feel lucky about the Flyers losing their top two D-men is just plain ignorant. If the Pens players don't feel lucky about it, then they have no chance in the Finals so gloat while you can.
  7. BobA
    7. Posted by BobA Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:55 pm EDT

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    You Flyer haters can all suck puck. Even when short two top defensemen, the Flyers outplayed and outshot the Pens at even strength in game two. If it wasnt for the power play goals, the Pens would have lost. Check the stats...if you can count.
  8. sswin08
    8. Posted by sswin08 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:39 pm EDT

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    seriously... what is it with Pens fans? Your loud mouth retards that have no idea what the heck your talking about when it comes to this sport. I mean the best you can come up with are Downie comments. Why not just appreciate the fact tht both games were great. Both teams played their tails off.
  9. tehchico
    9. Posted by tehchico Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    It will be an interesting game on Tuesday. If the Pens can withstand the inevitable Flyers physical barrage in Philly and come out with the win, it could be golf-course-city for the flyboys. It's a shame the Flyers aren't at full health cause it's only going to give the team and city an excuse if they do not get into the next round.
  10. TO
    10. Posted by TO Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 pm EDT

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    Remember when everyone was saying how the Flyers were going to hand it to the Pens?
  11. Jim S
    11. Posted by Jim S Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:43 pm EDT

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    Pens fans are such idiots, they are cocky to have beat the flyers while being outshot in the first game and without the flyers best dman and then barely winning in what was really a 3-2 game (empty net) without the flyers top 2 D. I mean seriously, the flyers are running Jones and Modry on the powerplay. With phantom calls on Hatcher multiple times in the game the Flyers were without their best remaining Penalty killing D man. All this and you idiot Pens fans that Just started being fans in 2005 are cocky, thinking you know anythign about the game.
  12. El Becko
    12. Posted by El Becko Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:19 pm EDT

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    It's not an excuse hockeyguy, it's a "what if?" The problem with those is that you'll never know.
    The Flyers and their fans can take solace in the fact that they kept it close in game one under the shock of having lost their top defenseman, and arguably best player, and doing the same in game two after losing their NEXT best defenseman. I hope the Pens feel like this series is already over as much as their idiot fans in this forum do.
  13. HipCheckJimmy
    13. Posted by HipCheckJimmy Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:05 pm EDT

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    Philly saved by a visor? Sure, if that visor is painted black and worn by Crosby, or Malkin, or Ruutu, or Malone, or Orpick even better, Fleury.
  14. PensFan11
    14. Posted by PensFan11 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:41 pm EDT

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    what's sad is that the pens have played not at their best the last two games and have still beaten the flyers. philly is one of the dirtiest teams in hockey, that is just fact. i love kimmo timmonen, and i feel for him and his injury, you never want to see players injured, not even someone like sean avery. i never count philly out and not all pens fans are idiots or do we suck.
  15. Tim G
    15. Posted by Tim G Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:10 pm EDT

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    The flyers have been out played by younger, more skillful players. It made no difference in game one when Coburn was playing, the Flyers still got it handed to them. Can you say sweep?
  16. mike s
    16. Posted by mike s Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:49 pm EDT

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    This is dumb. I understand that you are all angry that you are down 2 - 0 in the series, but stop with all the excuses.
    Drrr, two of our best players are hurt. Hockey is a physical game and you would be lucky (as the Pens have been minus Talbot) to make it through the playoffs without injuries. This is where depth becomes important and the Pens have that. They had to make it to the playoffs on their depth (minus their "superstar").
    Drrrrrrr, the Flyers outshot and outplayed the Pens when they were at full strength. Well then, be more disciplined and keep it at full strength. PLUS, most of the Flyers goals (not just in this series, but in general) are garbage goals which they don't even intend to go in. They are just looking for a rebound or second opportunity. The Pens have less shots, but they are all good scoring chances. Anyone can admit that.
    I will agree that they are both "playing their tails off" and it has been a lot of fun to watch. Stop with the excuses. You win or lose as a team, not because you lose a couple of your players or have penalty problems.
  17. tehchico
    17. Posted by tehchico Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    El Becko, your right Philadelphia teams never make excuses instead of what ifs. Nor have I been subjected to Philadelphia Media since birth. I would have to say that most teams opposing fans are Idiots. I believe that's what perspective is all about. If you not confident that your team can win then why are you a fan. Nor do I doubt that losing the teams 2 top defensemen is not an advantage to the Penguins, especially when one of them is their most important cog in the wheel. I am actually just sad that it will not be the best series it could have been because of the missing Flyers D-men. Injuries are part of the game, and if your team can't win when they happen, then there isn't enough depth. I believe Hatcher was quoted as saying it's a team game, if a guy goes down the whole team has to step up. kthanksbye
  18. TurdDonkey
    18. Posted by TurdDonkey Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:48 pm EDT

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    Thank god visors were not mandatory yesterday... Philly would have won otherwise.
  19. option.atomic
    19. Posted by option.atomic Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:46 pm EDT

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    Way to go, you classless Pens fans.
    This particular blog isn't here for you to bash or walk about stroking your e-wood.
    Take it somewhere else.
    A young kid got hurt, badly. And to be honest, you clowns are *barely* beating a team that is missing their top defensive pair. Now much to gloat about, really.
    Get some class, you Pittsburgh fans are proving yourselves to be some real trash, to all the NHL.
  20. Seabass
    20. Posted by Seabass Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:06 pm EDT

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    Hatcher should call it a career...just wondering if he soaks his skates in cement before each game?
  21. El Becko
    21. Posted by El Becko Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:19 pm EDT

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    Nicely said mike s but please don't try to equate the loss of a fourth line forward to the loss of a #1 defenseman. I said it earlier, I accept the injuries and the losses that come with them but comparing the loss of Timmonen with Talbot is just ridiculous.
    Also, if I'm not mistaken, goals scored on rebounds and second opportunities count just as much as the pretty ones. The Flyers are more than capable of scoring either way. That was some rebound Richards put in last night wasn't it?
  22. flavrflave
    22. Posted by flavrflave Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:41 pm EDT

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    Luckily for the Pens, the Flyers on-ice skills are similar to the argumentative skills of their fans. You gotta love the "what-if" scenarios. Bottom line is that the Flyers don't have the skills to pay the bills, nor do they have the overall talent to dig their way out of this series. No doubt about it, they will come out like the prison gang-rapists that they are in game 3. However, it will be a futile effort in the end. Pens will take them to the woodshed in 5. If you doubt this prediction, you have a problem seeing reality. The combination of Hatcher playing big minutes and his total lack of skill equates to a minimum of two power plays per game. Face it...the Pens can score clutch goals and they can afford to wait until a suitable opportunities presents themselves. So why would it matter if the Flyers are outshooting them in 5v5 situations? Who cares how many poor quality shots from the outside that the Flyers take? Any goalie worth his salt can make those saves. By the way, I heard that Biron went out and got a tattoo last night. It says "Owned"...
  23. El Becko
    23. Posted by El Becko Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:19 pm EDT

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    Seabass: I believe it's the cement like ice they have in Pittsburgh that slows some of the older players down.
    hockeyguy: 'kthanksbye'?!?!?!? What are you, a thirteen year old girl?
    I've looked through all my posts and don't see anywhere that I said I wasn't confident in my team. On the contrary, the fact that my team has been able to keep it close on that sheet of sheet, I mean ice, they have in Pittsburgh with a depleted lineup has my confidence booming. A don't give me the 'they all have to play on the same ice' line. The Pens are used to skating on that crap. Let's see what happens in Philly before you start getting fitted for championship rings.
  24. FIGHTCLUB-PA
    24. Posted by FIGHTCLUB-PA Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:10 pm EDT

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    Same tatoo your boyfriend got nellie.........
  25. mike s
    25. Posted by mike s Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:49 pm EDT

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    El Becko, I am not trying to compare Talbot to your losses. That is why I brought up the loss of Crosby for most of the season, because I knew somebody would make that comment. Either way though, Talbot is a fire-starter for the Pens team, and players feed off of his energy.
    The reason I brough up the rebounds was to explain that you aren't simply "outplaying" the Pens because you have more shots. That is because the Flyers will shoot ANYTHING and the Pens wait for good scoring opportunities. And I did say MOST of their goals, the Richards goal was nice. That was your payback for Malkin's goal on Friday. They were both a dumb mistake from the opposing offense.

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