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"I want to fight him ... We'll set it up at Cheli's Chili Bar afterward. Pay-per-view. It would be awesome. Everyone in Detroit is waiting for something to happen." - Detroit Red Wings defenseman Chris Chelios, joking with the Detroit News about Claude Lemieux.

Chris Chelios and Claude Lemieux were teammates with the Montreal Canadiens, with Chelios recalling recently that Lemieux used to cheat at cards as a young player. "He got under people's skin on other teams as well as his own team, coaches, everybody. That was his thing," Chelios told the media this week.

Of the 24 NHL teams Lemieux hasn't played for, the Detroit Red Wings probably know him best, and not only because Chelios has seen his pockets stuffed with kings and aces.

The Wings have experienced what makes Lemieux one of the most exceptional dichotomies in recent hockey history: He's the postseason scoring machine who won a Conn Smythe in leading the New Jersey Devils' upset of Detroit in 1995, but he's also the cheap-shot artist whose infuriating agitations helped create the Wings/Colorado Avalanche blood feud.

Previous post-Colorado visits for Lemieux were rather uneventful and unnoticed by Wings fans. But those teams weren't looking down at Detroit in the conference playoff seedings. Lemieux and his latest team, the San Jose Sharks, visit Detroit tonight in a game between two teams separated by five points in the standings but not much else on the ice.

At 43, it's miraculous that Lemieux is back in the NHL; but much more predictable is that he's also back as Public Enemy No. 1 for Red Wings fans.

First, a brief reminder of the relationship between Claude and the Wings through the years, both in this great Mercury News piece and in this YouTube clip:

Lemieux told the Mercury News that "they had this white shirt in Detroit with a screwdriver that said, 'Screw Lemieux' ... I bet there were 20,000 of them in their building."

To read some Wings fans writing about tonight's Sharks game, some of these T-shirts might be coming out of mothballs. From the Chief at Abel To Yzerman:

Here's what I'd like:  a Kronwall explosion around center ice, early on.  A collision that reminds Lemieux what the cold JLA ice feels like against his bloody head.  Then?  A Wing win, a convincing one.  And then tomorrow or the next day?  No fanfare, just a small announcement from San Jose that Claude Lemieux's been released.  Nice attempt, sir.  Good effort.  But we brought you here to have an impact against Detroit and all we got out of it was watching you try to pick yourself up like Creed in II after Kronwall blasted you into oblivion.

If you're going to the Joe tonite?  Don't feel like you have to hold back because Lemieux's attack on Draper occurred thirteen years ago.  Let him have it. And if he needs help leaving the ice after that Kronwall hit?  No need for stunned, concerned silence.  Nope.  Go ahead and cheer because no one deserves it like that piece of trash.

George James Malik, who also has a great rundown of Sharks/Wings links in preparation for the game, believes the Draper incident is also inexcusable enough to decry Lemieux's return to the NHL: "This subjective blogger will never suggest that Lemieux's addition to the rivalry between Detroit and San Jose is 'good for the game, 'juicy,' or that awful, dreadful word used to describe appealing in the context of sports-'sexy.'"

Draper's thoughts on facing Lemieux? From the Freep:

"I've played against him before," Draper said, laughing. "I didn't just play against him in '97 and that was the end of it."

Still, Lemieux, 43, had retired, so, naturally, his return with the Sharks does stir up the old storyline. "Yeah, because of you guys," Draper said, laughing. "You know, why wouldn't you play the game as long as you can? That's the way I look at it. He obviously wanted to make a comeback, he wanted to play, he's playing hockey. There's more to it than what happened back in 1996 or 1997. But I guess it's a fun story line so I get to talk about it today and probably tomorrow and then probably San Jose's media wants to talk about it on Wednesday. So, I'll try to work on my clichés for you guys over the next couple of days."

There won't be any Darren McCarty tonight, because the veteran is on an AHL rehab assignment. If fans are hoping for a Wing to take a pound of flesh (or just pound the flesh) of Lemieux, keep in mind that Detroit has had just three fights from players not named McCarty, and Marian Hossa has one of them.

Reaction from the Wings and Wings fans aside, this is actually a pretty critical moment for Lemieux in his comeback. He has one assist in 14 games and is averaging just 7:18 in ice time, almost none of it on special teams.

Mercury News columnist Mark Purdy is asking, "Is this Claude Lemieux all there is to Claude Lemieux?" With the trade deadline here, that's not exactly a positive development for Claude. Simply being a good story or a veteran presence isn't good enough; he needs to show up in a big game, and there's none bigger than Sharks/Wings.

Oh yeah, there's also a game tonight. It almost seems like people are talking more about Claude Lemieux's return to Detroit than a faceoff between Western Conference titans.

Which proves that, even at 43, Claude's still got it. At least off the ice.

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  1. firewing
    1. Posted by firewing Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    come on let it go, the wings need to focus on the game not worry about an old washed up has been. the guy plays like 4 minutes a night. go for the points. if it was that important we would have brought downey up to take care of him. so pass on the claude thing and go wings
  2. The Great One
    2. Posted by The Great One Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:19 pm EDT

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    Bitz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  3. hockeymaster4789
    3. Posted by hockeymaster4789 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:19 pm EDT

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    Claude's a real man; that's why he fights with his visor. Word on the street is that Wayne Gretzky is a fight promoter in the off-season and is trying to get him a bout with Cal Clusterclock.
  4. Daniel H
    4. Posted by Daniel H Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:35 pm EDT

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    (Yawn) Can't wait to see Lemieux and Draper... should be exciting.
  5. Greedy M
    5. Posted by Greedy M Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:29 pm EDT

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    thid lol......... chelly NEEDS to shut his mouth and retire. claude and chris would be the worst fight ever....hope their tennis balls dont come off of their walkers.......
  6. Bill
    6. Posted by Bill Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 pm EDT

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    Damn right Greg. You hit the nail on the head--Claude's still got it.
  7. chieftanfeces
    7. Posted by chieftanfeces Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:23 pm EDT

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    "...tonight in a game between two teams separated by five points in the standings but not much else on the ice."
    As far as that not much else part, ummm, how about two games played?
  8. Jason
    8. Posted by Jason Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:33 pm EDT

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    I'll be at the Joe tonight. Can't wait to see this game.
    @Chieftan Yeah, Detroits former assistant coach has worked wonders for the Sharks.
  9. farconious
    9. Posted by farconious Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:58 pm EDT

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    claude lemieux vs sean avery
    who would turtle first???
  10. Hazen
    10. Posted by Hazen Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:52 pm EDT

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    it was a long time ago..however he is spineless and even a turtle has a spine! hey hey hockeytown..the 12 th is a comin'
  11. mother pucker serif
    11. Posted by mother pucker serif Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:00 pm EDT

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    What I find even more amazing than Lemieux being 43 and still playing is that we're able to see *both* players on the ice 13 years after the controversy, which was pretty deep into both of their careers, happened. Most guys don't make it 13 years in professional sports, and both of these guys have made it longer.
  12. Mandingo
    12. Posted by Mandingo Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:21 pm EDT

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    Meh. I'm a Wings fan and I'm completely uninterested in this story line. I get the impression that most people—the media, the fans—are just mailing in their outrage/interest over this. Everyone knows what Lemieux is all about. He got the s*** beat out of him by the Wings multiple times since the Draper incident. He's a 43-year-old sad sack 4th line winger who probably won't even be in the NHL in a couple weeks. I'm sorry...I just can't muster up the energy to give a flying f*** about this. I'd rather reserve my hate for someone of a little more consequence...like Chris Pronger or Scott Neidermeyer.
  13. neo54915
    13. Posted by neo54915 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:35 pm EDT

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    Should be this, not thid (paragraph below the first pic). Otherwise, great post.
  14. Holy Toledo!
    14. Posted by Holy Toledo! Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    Maybe Draper will actually stand up for himself since Darren the drunk is out!
  15. Billy
    15. Posted by Billy Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm EDT

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    Lemieux would kick Chelios's A$$. Although, both would have to put aside their walkers for the fight.
  16. jibblescribbits
    16. Posted by jibblescribbits Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:34 pm EDT

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    Draper's just bitter because his portrait has a bigger contract than he does
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-06-18-picasso_N.htm
  17. Sobu
    17. Posted by Sobu Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:31 pm EDT

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    Detroit fans are just sad that Draper turned his back on the hit and is 60% responsible for the bad effect and that their guy lost the fight.
  18. GT
    18. Posted by GT Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:14 pm EDT

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    Judging from Lemieux's history of scoring infuriatingly opportune goals in his career, I would bet that his first goal of his comeback comes tonight.
  19. firewing
    19. Posted by firewing Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    hey claudes middle name is percy. i hope someone going to the game tonight makes a nice sign. with a middle name like percy there should be a sign with something good on it.
  20. lobotomyzd
    20. Posted by lobotomyzd Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:51 pm EDT

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    Vlad!
  21. crosscheck65
    21. Posted by crosscheck65 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:31 pm EDT

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    Does anyone else find it funny that the Detroit fans have no problem calling Lemieux a cheep shot (rightly so) but I bet they had no problem having Bertuzzi on their team a few years back. Last time I checked Draper was still playing. Anybody know what Moore's plus-minus is this year?
  22. Symo
    22. Posted by Symo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:04 pm EDT

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    The players don't seem to be concerned, so there probably won't be any fireworks. If there are? Well, that'd be nice. I guess if anything, it's truly old time(ers) hockey at the Joe tonight...
  23. dcd
    23. Posted by dcd Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    crosscheck65 - I think you're wrong, I didn't like Bertuzzi, even as a playoff rental. He sucked in Detroit anyway.
    Claude Lemieux is a douchebag.
  24. Dominic L
    24. Posted by Dominic L Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:50 pm EDT

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    Go wings!
  25. knucklehead
    25. Posted by knucklehead Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    These are the games when they really miss Dallas Drake. I would have brought up Abdelkader or Downey for this one but it seems to me the focus will be on the hockey game itself. In a playoff atmosphere ther isn't alot of fighting anyway so here we go baby!
    I still think with tensions high it could happen.....perhaps Draper/Lemieux this time around???

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