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When you're a director of media relations for an NHL team, as Mike Sundheim is for the Carolina Hurricanes, any survey about the popularity of hockey in the franchise's city or state is going to get your attention. And Sundheim knew exactly what I was calling about this afternoon.

"You mean the survey in North Carolina about how nobody knows we are here?"

Public Policy Polling, a Raleigh-based firm that works for a number of politicians and organizations, published a survey yesterday on "North Carolina sports" that had some rather unpleasant results (.pdf) for the Hurricanes, two years removed from a Stanley Cup championship:

"If offered tickets to any of the following sporting events, which would you be most likely to attend?" Only 10 percent of the 500 respondents chose the Hurricanes.

"Did you know that North Carolina has a professional ice hockey team, the Carolina Hurricanes?" While 82 percent answered "yes," that meant 18 percent of respondents were unaware the Hurricanes played in their state after 11 years.

• Perhaps even more disturbing, six percent of respondents in the 919 area code, where the team's arena is located, said they did not know the Hurricanes existed. Which Lord Stanley's Blog finds a little weird.

"It's probably the same six percent who couldn't name the Vice President of the United States if you did a survey asking them what his name is," said Sundheim, and he's being kind: It's actually 31 percent of Americans who don't know the name of their Veep.

Is the survey fair? Are the Hurricanes in trouble? We asked Sundheim for the team's take on this rather sensational, and potentially embarrassing, polling data.

First, on the survey: Public Policy Polling is a respected firm that uses an automated calling system to administer its polls. This particular survey was created by summer fellow Curtis Labban, with "summer fellow" being a fancy term for "intern."

According to PPP, this poll was his summer project. Labban is from the University of North Carolina and, before hockey fans shoot the messenger over these results, appears to be a bit of a puckhead.

He blogged about his findings for PPP:

The Carolina Hurricanes still get little respect from North Carolinians. No, hockey has not caught on in the South, and no, the Hurricanes don't do a great job of marketing the team across the state, but due to the success that the team has had in the past 10 years (2 Stanley Cup Finals appearances, with 1 Championship) one might think that people would start watching. The main reason is the lack of ability to even watch NHL games, since ESPN pulled out before the lockout, but I still find it surprising that 18% of the state didn't even know that they had a professional hockey team.

Sundheim somewhat agreed with the notion that there are parts of the state where people may be unaware of the Hurricanes; mainly because it's a big-ass state. "There are people in North Carolina that are five or six hours from here, in the mountains," he said.

The Hurricanes aren't marketing to them, necessarily. But for the fans they have been attempting to reach, Sundheim is pleased with the results.

"We feel happy with our imprint in the Triangle. You can't drive five miles without seeing a Hurricanes sticker or a Hurricanes flag," he said. "I guess those six percent [in the 919 area code] don't know what that symbol is."

So how are the Hurricanes doing? Carolina drew an average of 16,633 fans per home game (an 88.8 percent capacity) in 2007-08; down from the previous post-Stanley Cup season (17,386, 92.8). But attendance has been strong since the team bottomed out with a 12,171 average in 2004.

As for as impact, look at this way: Sundheim said that the News & Observer dedicated "basically the entire front page" of the sports section and another page inside to dissecting the team's 2008-09 schedule this week. Slow sports summer, granted, but a rather impressive amount of attention for a hockey team.

Naturally, the Hurricanes are going to try and downplay survey results like these. But it's just another battle in their constant fight against the impression that hockey hasn't taken hold in Carolina  -- even during their Stanley Cup winning season.

"It's extremely frustrating," said Sundheim. "I remember in the Stanley Cup finals, a guy for ESPN that was based here in Durham basically ripped us and said nobody cares about us. Well, that guy must have literally not left his house during the two months of the playoffs that year to say that nobody here cares."

In the end, it's just one survey; but the fight for respect for hockey teams in non-traditional markets continues.

Hey, there's always a silver lining: The survey showed that more women (4 percent) than men (3 percent) are most likely to watch hockey before any other sport, and that more women (83) than men (81) knew the Hurricanes existed. Hockey 'n Heels, indeed.

Any political scientists out there want to take a crack as to why more Republicans (86 percent) than Democrats (81 percent) knew North Carolina had a hockey team?

H/T to Illegal Curve for hipping us to the survey.

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  1. Michael
    1. Posted by Michael Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:14 pm EDT

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    Lots of white people in hockey, and as we all know from the great Kanye...
  2. Mike Y
    2. Posted by Mike Y Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:23 pm EDT

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    In that poll, 31% of the 500 surveyed were older than 65 years old. And only 11% surveyed were 18-29. I'm pretty sure my grandmother and father do not care about sports anymore.
  3. hooksorpik
    3. Posted by hooksorpik Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:09 pm EDT

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    Didn't yesterday Ron Wilson say someone in Toronto didn't know about the Maple Leafs?
    I'm not too concerned about this report. I think if you surveyed other markets (Miami, Nashville, Phoenix) the percentages would probably be much higher.
  4. Tony
    4. Posted by Tony Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:44 pm EDT

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    You can't even get the games on the radio Greensboro. That's hard to believe?
  5. books
    5. Posted by books Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    What's Boulton doing to Bayda in that second pic? I'm not sure if he's informing the youngster of his female dog role in their relationship or if he's trying to steal his lunch money.
    As Mike Y said the sample contained a large segment of elderly people. This section of the pie is notoriously hard to break into so I wouldn't put much stock in it. If you poll the right people you can 'prove' almost anything...
  6. Pension Plan Puppets
    6. Posted by Pension Plan Puppets Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:06 pm EDT

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    Is anyone surprised? North Americans are dumb.
    And PPP? Screw that. I am PPP he can add a word to his business to avoid the confusion that made me think "I wrote what?"
  7. Dewman
    7. Posted by Dewman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    I don't think this is a fair assessment. Sure, I'm not a fan of hockey in the south, but I know my wife probably only knows the name of some teams because I watch the games. People who don't care about sports don't know where any teams are. It doesn't matter how you market the teams, if they don't care about sports, then even if they see an ad for the team, they won't remember because they don't care.
  8. Bubbabanjo
    8. Posted by Bubbabanjo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

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    Wyshynski you stink!
    I have an idea......toilets swirl in one direction in the northern hemisphere and the other in the south. Have down-under jerseys for the swirlies! Great alternate. Put TP shoulder patches on too.
  9. brian k
    9. Posted by brian k Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:13 pm EDT

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    Mike, you got it wrong- Republicans like (boys) and Democrats like (girls)
  10. Bubbabanjo
    10. Posted by Bubbabanjo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

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    Retardicans and Dumb-as-craps should both be in the box for a major and then ejected for unsportsmanlike for what they are doin to us all. I hate the bunch. We need another option over these scumbuckets. Dont believe the hype!!!!
    Wyshynski you stink!
  11. The Bog
    11. Posted by The Bog Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    Conduct the same survey in the surrounding areas of Miami and see how many people know/care about the Panthers. It'll be the same story. As far as only 10% being likely to attend a Hurricanes game over other options, if any of those other options are Duke, NC State, or UNC basketball, I'm surprised it isn't 1%. They are college hoops crazy in that area.
  12. The Bog
    12. Posted by The Bog Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    Just want to say, I'm not putting down or picking on the Panthers or Florida or Carolina, just that they are not the most popular sports in town and it doesn't surprise me.
  13. Bubbabanjo
    13. Posted by Bubbabanjo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

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    Youre right. Miami fans are only around when the lights are on at the Bandwagon. Shame....the new arena is awesome. Beats the heck out of the old Miami area. Man I was scared to death comin outta that place late at night. Overtown in the moonlight aint no place to be!!! Carolina they gotta give away free ridin mowers and pickups to get people in the building. But the Whale wasnt much better...those people didnt go to the games till the team was packin either. They would rather watch U-Conn bounce that big round handball. Man you could get seats in the lower bowl....heck a whole row last year in Miami and they were in the hunt till the last coupla weeks.
    Shame..................and Wyshynski you stink!
  14. 5 4 fighting
    14. Posted by 5 4 fighting Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:59 pm EDT

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    Due to the strike- who knows if Atlanta will continue to be a viable location for hockey, maybe a better fit would be Winnipeg since alot of the financial restrictions were alleviated with the revenue sharing.
  15. 5 4 fighting
    15. Posted by 5 4 fighting Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:59 pm EDT

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    As far as Carolina is concerned- no big deal, half the people don't even know where Asia is on the map either. For a sport to grow you have to invade non traditional hockey sites or your sport will remain stagnant.
  16. brian k
    16. Posted by brian k Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:13 pm EDT

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    Support your team or give more teams back to Canada
  17. dianecaniac
    17. Posted by dianecaniac Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:10 pm EDT

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    A few of us at Wilmington SurgCare are HUGE fans of the 'Canes. It's a long round-trip, but at least 3 of us make the trip once a month (despite the price of gas!!!) to see our team. I'd also like to mention that whenever employees from Wilmington SurgCare attend 'Canes games, the 'Canes always win (one loss in 3 seasons). We fly our 'Canes flags proudly from our car windows until they succumb to elements (or 80 mph driving winds).
    dianecaniac
  18. Bubbabanjo
    18. Posted by Bubbabanjo Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

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    Oh Canada....you oil soaked frozen land.........true petrol love.....my gas bill I cant stand......... (sung to Oh Canada)
    Fret not you Northern Light puckheads.....the game will be comin home in droves soon. Over the next 10 years the oil money we send North should let you buy back more than one team. Cant say that bothers me much....ya'll need any hicks up that way?
    I come with a Harley a hound dog and a subscription to Center Ice.
    Wyshynski you stink!
  19. brian k
    19. Posted by brian k Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:13 pm EDT

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    Bubba- I hope you're right, USA should not be too over confident with $$$$. We got some bills huh?
    LA fan with Center Ice.
  20. JACKETS! on the PP
    20. Posted by JACKETS! on the PP Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm EDT

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    C'mon... is this is a surprise?!? This is tobacco row we're talking about. North Carolina's a beautiful state but most of these people probably think the Stanley Cup is some giant ashtray...
    Thems like they basketball, am eye rite?
  21. JACKETS! on the PP
    21. Posted by JACKETS! on the PP Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm EDT

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    Eye forrgot... thems all-so lyke nascar
  22. JACKETS! on the PP
    22. Posted by JACKETS! on the PP Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm EDT

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    The sad thing is that they're probably not alone...
    I'm from Cincinnati and I bet if you polled a similar survey in the Nati' more people would claim to be Browns fans than could, with assurance, acknowledge that an NHL team exists in Ohio.
    Pathetic. I love football and baseball but there are other sports beyond these and basketball.
    If you're not sure - wikipedia "hockey" and "lacrosse"...
  23. AVALANCHE
    23. Posted by AVALANCHE Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:47 pm EDT

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    bubbabanjo....you're forgetting the plungers....and we cant have that....wait hold that thought the plunger has been found....see also wyshynski. which fully explains that aweful stench surrounding the sport. however, i'm becoming more and more suspicious about the apparent similarities between wyshynski and bettman. im not sure if they're twins or the same person with multiple personality disorder...it doesnt matter either way....THEY BOTH SUCK! and its really a shocker that hockey takes a back seat to the likes of DUKE, UNC, WAKE and N C STATE? short of UCONN, UCLA, INDIANA (IN THE PAST), AND KANSAS thats the elite of basketball....of course hockey is second fiddle.
    wyshynski get back in your septic tank or bed with bettman its all the same to us.
    bubbabanjo keep up the good work
  24. @X
    24. Posted by @X Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:56 pm EDT

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    maybe the hurricanes really don`t exist coz` they SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    and one more thing..............................................
    wyshynski you rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    bubbabanjo you STINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (hehehe!)
  25. Haak
    25. Posted by Haak Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:15 pm EDT

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    Why does the whole state need to care about the Canes? I'd love to see the percentage results in Cali for the Sharks and Kings, and Florida is a joke. Outside of Tampa, no one knows the Lightning exist. The Canes are a solid franchise, and with the uproar over Cole's trade, its obvious they're know by enough who care

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