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"Rumor has it that last night Savard challenged el Sid to a fight, but Savard wouldn't drop them as long as Sid had a visor on. Supposedly Sid went to the bench and unscrewed it from his helmet. Savard did nothing afterwards. Not sure if it's true (as this was told by a buddy of mine who works for the Pens) but it makes an interesting story if it is." -- Eric from Pa.

The incident referenced above between Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby and Boston Bruins star center Marc Savard is now the stuff of hockey folklore. We've received about three dozen variations of this e-mail since the Penguins' 6-4 victory over the Bruins last Sunday.

The basic premise is the same: Savard challenged Crosby and talked smack about his visor; Crosby had it removed on the Penguins bench; and when he reengaged with Savard, the Bruins player didn't back up his words. Bangin Panger had, perhaps, the first and most complete telling of the tale, even if the Chuck Norris-level of toughness that would have been Crosby unscrewing his own visor for a fight was later reconsidered as inaccurate.

Now, Crosby isn't exactly known as a model of physical intimidation: His two altercations this season involved jumping a guy after a face-off and punching another player in a sensitive area from behind. That history begged the question: Did this situation with Savard really happen?

The mainstream media in Boston and Pittsburgh didn't pursue the story for days, leaving some lingering doubt. That was until Chris Kunitz, Crosby's linemate with the Penguins, went on Mark Madden's radio show on WXDX in Pittsburgh this week (.mp3) and was asked why Crosby removed his visor:

"I hear him and one of the other Boston players had some words after one of their goals, and then came back to the bench ... I didn't know whatever happened, if it was scratched or whatever. But I noticed the next shift he had it off and was letting the other player know he wasn't intimidated. I guess the guy made some kind of remark, and Sid went and took it off, and maybe challenged the guy a little. Obviously nothing had come about it, but obviously you see the heart and the grit that Sid has ..."

Yesterday on his blog, Madden added further clarity with a literal blow-by-blow of the Crosby/Savard Fight That Wasn't.

Madden said Crosby claimed he had a scratch on his visor, saying it with a broad smile. Here's how Madden claims things went down on Sunday:

Bruins center Marc Savard taunted Crosby after a Boston goal, and the taunting continued until both players neared their benches. Crosby challenged Savard to fight, and Savard responded: "Take off that [sissy] shield, and I'll be glad to."

So Crosby handed his helmet to equipment manager Dana Heinze and told him to remove the visor. Crosby took the ice for his next shift sans shield but Savard backed down, thereby looking like the [sissy] he accused Crosby of being.

Score one for Sid in the mind games department and cue a verbal beatdown for Savard, who took a brutal aural blistering from the Penguins bench throughout the rest of the afternoon (and no doubt lost a little respect in the eyes of his teammates when his bluff got called).

Madden writes that Crosby had the visor reattached during the first intermission.

Sure enough, Crosby was wearing the visor again when the Penguins scored an empty net goal (right) to clinch the game.

(Madden, it should be said, is a talk show host of dubious distinction for many Pittsburgh sports fans. But if his facts are correct, this is the second Penguins story he's broken in the mainstream this season after the Evgeni Malkin "bribe" to his teammates.)

A source told us that Crosby has, in a general way, spoken before about wearing a shield-less helmet if he really wanted to get after an opponent in a fight.

The same source said there's legit heat between Crosby and the Bruins -- keep in mind that defenseman Andrew Ference was involved in Crosby's first gloves-off NHL brawl.

The facts and the folklore of this Savard incident run counter to the Golden Boy image through which the NHL has sold Crosby since he entered the League as a post-lockout marketing savior.

This is a good thing: As we've said before and will say again, Sidney Crosby works best as an anti-hero or outright guy fans "love to hate" in the NHL. The more stories like this that make the rounds, the better it will be for the League and arguably its biggest star.

Check out Puck Daddy on Friday for a Crosby video project.

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  1. Geoffrey S
    1. Posted by Geoffrey S Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:37 pm EDT

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    Bob Errey was doing the FSN broadcast from between the benches, and mentioned as it was happening that Sid and Savard were both saying they were going to fight.
  2. mikeycards
    2. Posted by mikeycards Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:44 pm EDT

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    i like this guy more and more every day, he's displaying a huge amount of heart with his teams season on the line.
  3. Scotty G
    3. Posted by Scotty G Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:13 pm EDT

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    funny i never heard this before
    fyi minor spelling mistake "was asked my Crosby removed his visor"
  4. Michael N
    4. Posted by Michael N Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:19 pm EDT

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    Crysby probably took off the visor to wipe his tears.
  5. Hans Gruber
    5. Posted by Hans Gruber Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:58 pm EDT

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    Is Marc Savard Dean Youngblood's kid sister. They look identical. But Dean dropped Racki while Marc is seems was hiding from Sid. Not surprised though, Savard doesn't come across as much of a tough guy. Probably didn't want the family jewels smash.
  6. JohnB
    6. Posted by JohnB Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:06 pm EDT

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    Damn, how embarrasing for Savard and the Bruins. If I was Savard's coach I'd tell him not to say another word on the ice, ever. Just sad and disguisting on there part.
  7. George Washington
    7. Posted by George Washington Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:54 pm EDT

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    Please explain why "Sidney Crosby works best as an anti-hero...."
  8. Don Squeek
    8. Posted by Don Squeek Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:14 pm EDT

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    If Sid is really tuff, he could mix words with Thornton, Lucic, Stuart any of which would end his season if he wasn't wearing a visor. Trying to fight Savard is about as rewarding as jumping a unexpecting oppponent right of the face off and slapping him around with those limp wrists of Crosby's. Either way the Bruins lost another game they shouldn't have, thats been the story of the past month.
  9. JstWndring
    9. Posted by JstWndring Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:10 pm EDT

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    Wrap your mind around the notion Marc Savard would actually challenge somebody to a fight, face-to-face. Other than that, the whole story is one of those, "I heard from my wife's second cousin's former college roommate, who told her nephew, who then went on a talk show in Pittsburgh to report that..." Get back to me when Sidney and Marc actually goes toe-to-toe, straight up, with or without the visor.
  10. JstWndring
    10. Posted by JstWndring Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:10 pm EDT

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    Ooops! I meant "go toe-toe..." Sorry about that.
  11. Hans Gruber
    11. Posted by Hans Gruber Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:58 pm EDT

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    This may be the first cat fight that I wouldn't want to see.
  12. GT
    12. Posted by GT Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:14 pm EDT

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    Exhibit A for the argument against the instigator penalty...a great deal of players run their mouths knowing there will be no consequences. But when push comes to shove, they are nowhere to be found.
  13. The Great One
    13. Posted by The Great One Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:19 pm EDT

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    Savard: With that shield on, you will never get this! You will never get this! la la la la la You will never get this.
    Makes me sad that he's a Bruin.
  14. LadyByngsLoveChild
    14. Posted by LadyByngsLoveChild Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:09 pm EDT

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    It's good to see Sid act like a hockey player, the golden boy image he tries to maintain is getting pretty old. Not smart of Savard, it makes him look like a spineless whimp.
  15. Kessler
    15. Posted by Kessler Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:09 pm EDT

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    Yeah, I'm sure that's it. Savard was scared of Crosby. Because clearly Crosby is a much more intimidating guy than Scott Niedermayer (who Savard got into it with a few weeks ago).
  16. books
    16. Posted by books Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    Savard was reffering to Crosby's cup not his shield...real men play commando style.
  17. jibblescribbits
    17. Posted by jibblescribbits Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:34 pm EDT

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    I imagine a Crosby-Savard bout would be like the Jack White-Jason Stollsteimer fight but with more slapping and hair-pulling.
  18. Mandingo
    18. Posted by Mandingo Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:21 pm EDT

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    "Check out Puck Daddy on Friday for a Crosby video project."
    Is it going to be a tearful, moving montage of images of Crosby complaining to the refs set to 10,000 Maniacs' "These Are Days"?
  19. Shawn K
    19. Posted by Shawn K Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:18 pm EDT

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    @ #8 - That argument's just stupid. By your logic, if Crosby should mix it up with Boston's big guys, then Savard should quit yapping at a little guy like Crosby and go after Godard or Orpik.
    Tale of the tape: Crosby 5'11', 200 lbs; Savard 5'10', 196 lbs. Sounds like a pretty fair matchup to me.
  20. firewing
    20. Posted by firewing Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    this is all just more press to make crosby look good. lets wait to hear from savard about exactly what happened.
    come on a pitts blogger says it and we are supposed to believe every word, come on lets wait for the facts first before we anoint crosby a fighter ok. #9 has said it best so far
  21. PhilW
    21. Posted by PhilW Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:23 pm EDT

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    I'll admit that, as a long time Capitals fan, I hate Crosby; 95% of the reason is because he's a Penguin and I hate the Pens with a passion. BUT, with that said Pens fans, I respect him as a player, and I think it's great that he took his visor off. He might be a whining schmuck, but at least he's no longer afraid to mix it up with other guys. Marc Savard, on the other hand, is nothing but a punk, WWWWAAAAAYYYYY more than Crosby is. When the Bruins where here in DC back on Jan 17th, I was in attendance, and I saw Savard after every play, jawing with Caps players and squaring up to them after he got hit cleanly into the boards. But every single time one of the Caps would square up to him, he would skate away like a little girl, muttering under his breath. He talks a good game but doesn't have the balls to back it up. Well done to Sid for calling his bluff...I'm glad somebody did! Ovie should be hitting this jerk around, not Crosby.
  22. jibblescribbits
    22. Posted by jibblescribbits Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:34 pm EDT

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    @Mandingo:
    + $1.99. that's how much I would pay to get that on my iPod
  23. natez0r
    23. Posted by natez0r Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:14 pm EDT

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    this story is ridiculous. get a source in boston to confirm its validity too, all you have right now is one side of a "he said, she (sid) said".
  24. Zipdryve
    24. Posted by Zipdryve Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:01 pm EDT

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    chuck norris-level of toughness & crosby in the same sentence seems like an oxymoron to me. but, it definitly fits his calling out of savard. awesome! \,,/
  25. um_mash
    25. Posted by um_mash Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm EDT

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    In the end there was no fight because Savard didn't hold up his end of the bargain by removing his cup.

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