Packers Team Report

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INSIDE SLANT

In the Super Bowl era of football, the Packers have finished a regular season as the NFL’s top-rated defense only twice.

Both times, they went on to become world champions, winning Super Bowl II in 1967 and Super Bowl XXXI in 1996.

Fast forward to 2009, and the Packers enter the final month of the regular season perched atop the defensive rankings.

Green Bay, at 7-4 entering a Monday night home game against the Baltimore Ravens, isn’t being typecast as Super Bowl-winning material. Yet, if the defense can hold its esteemed spot after five more games, talk of a correlation between that and what could unfold in the playoffs certainly will arise—after all, the saying goes that defense wins championships.

Not that the Packers players on that side of the football are envisioning a week in South Florida in early February for Super Bowl XLIV.

“We’ve got to keep things in perspective,” linebacker Nick Barnett(notes) said of the No. 1 ranking. “You’re not No. 1 unless you end the season No. 1. We know we’ve got a lot of work ahead of us and still got room to grow. Our No. 1 goal is to make sure we get into this postseason, and on fire.”

Defensive end Cullen Jenkins(notes) didn’t hesitate to say “no” when asked whether the body of work produced thus far has the feel of A-1 material.

“Our goals are season-wide,” Jenkins said. “We’re not just trying to make it to the No. 1 spot for Week 11 and then lose it. We want to keep that spot. We still feel like we’ve got a lot of proving to do, a lot of good play left in us that we still have to go out there and show.”

A month after openly criticizing first-year defensive coordinator Dom Capers on how players were being used in his 3-4 scheme following a season sweep inflicted by the rival Minnesota Vikings, Jenkins was singing a happy tune this week about the unit’s progress since then.

Jenkins cited “some attitude adjustments, assignments, effort” for reasons for the Packers’ ascension to No. 1.

“I think everybody on the defense has done a great job of just playing their responsibilities now and really focusing in and trusting that everybody else is going to do their job,” Jenkins said.

Green Bay’s big climb in the rankings for total defense—it sat 18th after its bye in Week 5—is all the more impressive since it lost veteran leaders Al Harris(notes) at cornerback and Aaron Kampman(notes) at linebacker to season-ending knee injuries two games ago.

Just as the Packers have been stingy in giving up an average of 281.5 yards per game, they have followed the lead of industrious cornerback Charles Woodson(notes) in coming up with 27 takeaways. Combined with an offense that has been frugal with its giveaways, Green Bay has a league-leading turnover ratio of plus-17.

“It’s building confidence with our defensive ranking right now, and it’s something that we wanted to generate more productivity for more players,” head coach Mike McCarthy said. “I think the scheme is doing that. We’re doing a very good job of stopping the run (No. 4 ranking at 89.1 yards), and that will be a major focus as we go into this next game.

“But, statistics are a barometer,” McCarthy added. “It kind of gives you something to look at both from a positive standpoint and a negative standpoint. We still need to keep focused on doing the little things, and that’s the way we approach it. Being No. 1 in week 12, 13, 14 really doesn’t give you any merit. You want to be No. 1 at the end of the season. But, I think our defense definitely is on the right pace to be the championship defense that we anticipate we’d have here.”

Series History:   4th regular-season meeting. Packers lead series, 2-1. The interconference opponents are meeting for the first time since 2005, when the Ravens scored their only win in the series by a whopping 48-3 in Baltimore - the largest margin of victory in “Monday Night Football” history. Both of the Packers’ wins, in 1998 and 2001, came in Green Bay.

NOTES, QUOTES

—The double helping of honors bestowed on cornerback Charles Woodson this week could be a prelude to the grand prize that will be handed out next month.

Woodson was named NFC Defensive Player of the Week on Wednesday and will be hailed as NFC Defensive Player of the Month for November on Thursday.

The recognition comes after Woodson became the first player in league history to have two interceptions, an interception-return touchdown, a sack, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery in the same game—the Packers’ 34-12 win at the Detroit Lions on Thanksgiving Day.

“I think Charles is having clearly his best year (out of four seasons) as a Green Bay Packer,” head coach Mike McCarthy said. “I don’t know if there is anybody playing any better in the National Football League from a defensive perspective. He’s been extremely productive, very flexible as far as the different positions that he is playing and the things that we’re able to do with him schematically. His toughness, his anticipation, he’s playing at a very high level.”

Woodson, 33, has put himself in the running for NFL Defensive Player of the Year.

His four forced fumbles equal a career high, and his seven interceptions are one short of his personal best in 2006, his first season with the Packers after leaving the Oakland Raiders as a free agent.

“He is being utilized from different angles, different positions more, so we’re creating more opportunities for him to be around the ball,” McCarthy said.

Woodson has been named NFC Defensive Player of the Month twice this season (also for September), and he has earned the conference’s weekly honor two times (also after the Week 10 win over the Dallas Cowboys).

• Al Harris, Woodson’s running mate at cornerback, underwent surgery Monday for the season-ending torn ACL he sustained in his left knee in the Nov. 22 victory over the San Francisco 49ers.

Harris, who turns 35 on Monday, is determined to make a speedy recovery to get back on the field before the start of next season.

There’s been no word that linebacker Aaron Kampman, who also suffered a season-ending torn ACL in the same game, has had his surgery. Kampman remains on the 53-man roster.

• The Packers filled out their eight-man practice squad by signing rookie tight end Tom Crabtree(notes) on Tuesday.

The 6-foot-4, 245-pound Crabtree previously signed with the Kansas City Chiefs as an undrafted player out of Miami (Ohio). Crabtree was with the Chiefs into the preseason, then was on their practice squad early in the season.

• The impending matchup against the Baltimore Ravens marks the first Monday night game to be played in Green Bay in December.

The latest in the year the Packers had hosted a Monday night game was Nov. 29, 2004, when they beat the St. Louis Rams 45-17.

Green Bay has been on the road for eight Monday games in December, going 4-4. The most recent occurrence was Dec. 22 last year, a 20-17 overtime loss at the Chicago Bears. Before that was a crushing 48-3 setback at the Ravens on Dec. 19, 2005.

By The Numbers:   125—Consecutive passes by quarterback Aaron Rodgers(notes) without an interception, during a span of more than three games dating back to the Nov. 8 loss at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Rodgers’ longest pick-less streak is 159 passes, which extended from the end of last season to the fourth game this season.

Quote To Note:   “The best feeling right now is that we’re not talking about how we’re not going to the playoffs, like last year. It’s great to be talking about how we can control our playoff destiny. But, we’re not thinking too far ahead. … Once we get to 10 wins, we’ll start talking about playoffs.”—Linebacker Nick Barnett, on the 7-4 Packers’ having the inside track to a wild-card berth in the NFC playoffs, a season after they finished 6-10.

STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL

By the time the Packers next play Monday night at home against the Baltimore Ravens, the Green Bay players will have enjoyed and, they’re hoping, benefit from more days off than days on the field since they last played a game.

Head coach Mike McCarthy excused the players for four days following the 34-12 Thanksgiving victory at the Detroit Lions on Nov. 26. The team returned to practice Tuesday, then had another off-day Wednesday before moving into the heavy preparations for Monday’s game from Thursday to Saturday.

Riding a season-best three-game winning streak, the Packers are 7-4 and in good shape to garner one of the two wild-card spots in the NFC playoffs.

Carrying that through will be challenging, however, with an impending three-week stretch of games against the Ravens and road tilts against the Chicago Bears and Pittsburgh Steelers.

“Our margin of error is going to need to be a lot less than it has been in the first 11 games because it’s December football now,” McCarthy said. “This is the most important football that we’ll play all season.”

Player Notes  

• LT Chad Clifton(notes) went through only the jog-through portion at the start of practice Tuesday as he tries to recover from a hamstring injury that knocked him out of the Nov. 26 win at the Detroit Lions. With the team off Wednesday, Clifton’s status for the rest of the week and making the start Monday against the Baltimore Ravens won’t be known until at least Thursday. Rookie T.J. Lang(notes) is Clifton’s backup.

• WR Jordy Nelson(notes) practiced Tuesday and appears to be in the clear for playing Monday after suffering a shoulder injury late in the game last week.

• RB Ahman Green(notes) received the green light to resume practicing this week after he missed the last two games because of a groin strain. Whether Green will jump back ahead of Brandon Jackson(notes) as Ryan Grant’s(notes) top backup remains to be seen later this week.

• CB Brandon Underwood(notes) bounced back from suffering a hamstring injury in the last game to practice Tuesday. The rookie was contributing on special teams before getting hurt.

• OL Allen Barbre(notes) is back practicing this week after the former starting right tackle was sidelined for two games because of an ankle injury.

Game Plan:   The Packers rank second in the league with an average time of possession of 33:26, but thinking they can control the clock by consistently and effectively running the football could be a pipe dream. The relentless Ravens are allowing an average of only 97.6 rushing yards per game, ranking sixth, and thrive on turning opposing offenses one-dimensional. So, look for Packers head coach/play caller Mike McCarthy, who isn’t bashful about going to the air, to continue a recent trend of quick, short throws from Aaron Rodgers, and count on the receivers to keep the chains and the game clock moving. Green Bay defensive coordinator Dom Capers undoubtedly took some pointers from the Pittsburgh Steelers in how they with a similar 3-4 scheme frequently hounded Joe Flacco(notes) and sacked him five times in the Ravens’ overtime win Sunday. The fate of the Packers’ No. 1-rated defense likely will hinge on how it can handle Baltimore’s late-season switch to a bigger, unbalanced front as the Ravens look to take pressure off Flacco by pounding the football with the three-back trio of versatile Ray Rice(notes), Willis McGahee(notes) and Le’Ron McClain(notes).

Matchups To Watch:   Packers linebackers vs. Ravens RB Ray Rice. Green Bay’s young and steadily improving linebacker corps, which features rookie bookend starters Clay Matthews(notes) and Brad Jones(notes) in the 3-4 scheme, will be put to the test against the multidimensional Rice. Baltimore’s second-year player is as dangerous catching the football as he is running it. He is second in the league with 1,403 all-purpose yards (821 rushing, 582 receiving) and is the top-rated running back with 61 receptions. Rice is diminutive at 5-8 but quick and elusive. Packers linebackers will have to be sure with their fits against the run. How the Packers defend him coming out of the backfield in the passing game will be interesting. They can ill afford to stick coverage-challenged inside ‘backer A.J. Hawk(notes) on Rice, but Jones is an upgrade over injured Aaron Kampman in that realm.

Packers offensive line vs. Ravens ILB Ray Lewis(notes). It’s been eight years since the Packers last had to contend with the ageless enforcer that Lewis is in Baltimore’s formidable 3-4 front. Lewis missed the teams’ most recent meeting in 2005 because of a hamstring injury. The two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year continues to have a nose for the football with a team-leading 116 tackles (74 solo), more than twice the total of the Ravens’ No. 2-ranked player. Although Lewis’ sack numbers are down with two this season, Green Bay’s seemingly solidified front five will have to be on its toes to pick up Lewis in Baltimore’s myriad blitz schemes. Erasing Lewis from run plays to create open lanes for Ryan Grant’s cutbacks also is a daunting task.

Injury Impact:   After losing Pro Bowl defensive players Al Harris and Aaron Kampman to season-ending knee injuries two games ago, the Packers are encouragingly healthy entering their stretch run of five games. The only question mark in the days leading up to the Monday night contest against the Baltimore Ravens is the status of left tackle Chad Clifton. The veteran suffered a game-ending left hamstring injury in the second half of the Thanksgiving Day win at the Detroit Lions. Clifton didn’t practice Tuesday, when the team reconvened after an extended break. The Packers will be back on the practice field Thursday after another day off. Clifton could be held out another day or two since the practice week won’t wrap up until Saturday. If the hamstring doesn’t improve with the extra rest, the Packers will turn to rookie T.J. Lang, who has been dependable in recent weeks as a fill-in for both Clifton and right tackle Mark Tauscher(notes).

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  1. <i>bsgorilla</i>
    169. Posted by bsgorilla Tue Dec 1 9:14am EST

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    You TT, MM whiners are beyond pathetic. We have the #1 D in the league and a top 10 offense and a top 5 QB. And we're winning. And still you pathetic TT-took-my-birthday Favre whiners complain. Go root for the Vikings you bunch of ingrates. Better yet, just go away.
  2. bagofdonuts
    168. Posted by bagofdonuts Fri Nov 13 3:18pm EST

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    What is all the hype on O and D when special teams has been teh turn stile to victory teh last couple of weeks
  3. brian
    167. Posted by brian Thu Nov 12 12:09pm EST

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    what it comes down to is the same things i keep hearing every week after the game......we are addressing those things and we will get them cleaned up! yet each week it's the same, stupid penalty's, dropped passes, running backs running right into somebody instead of finding what few holes are open, and specialteams that have been a waste for years now! my god is it that hard to cover kick offs and punts? is it that hard to block for your QB and not get him killled? and why isn't thid "talented" bunch of recievers getting open? they are painful to watch , and when they play like they have been, i turned the channel or watch a movie........if they aren't willing to play like pro's then why should i waste my time watching thier incredible incomputence! it would be different if for say after a week of practice you could see some improvement, but it's the same story week in and week out now. i hope mark murphy is taking notice because this cannot be aloud to continue......if ted thompson and the whole coaching staff has to go then SO BE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  4. Roydan O
    166. Posted by Roydan O Wed Nov 11 12:32am EST

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    Funny this article was about the lousy coaching job by M.M.,capers ,offense coach. And yet Favre is brought into it. Place the blame where it belongs. Since T.T.and M.M.came here we have had ONE good season( and that was with BRETT FAVRE) And this was pretty much with the same offence line. So while Arron Rogers is a good quarterback he isn't a great General. Alot of good Quarterbacks never get to the Super Bowl. I don't see the PACKERS even at 8/8 this season.MIKE and TED have shown me nothing. SO MURPHY DO YOUR JOB GET RID OF THESE GUYS
  5. Leslie J
    165. Posted by Leslie J Tue Nov 10 12:36pm EST

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    It is time Ted Thompson goes, what has he done as Director of Player Personnel? Nothing! He wants to grow the team organically through the draft, poor Aaron Rogers may not survive while he attempts to do that. Use some cap money big boy and get some talent. We need veteran help to guide the young players. Get someone to manage talent like back in the day of Ron Wolf. He was always playing the wire to upgrade talent. What has Ted done to earn his money? Nothing! Start the cry "TED MUST GO!"
  6. Bruce K
    164. Posted by Bruce K Tue Nov 10 12:26pm EST

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    Thompson, McCarthy and Murphy all have to go. The Packer organization is in shambles and the entire program needs to be shaken up. This season is over and the best that the Pack can expect is a 8 and 8 finish. Personally, I would say this is shaping up to be a 6 and 10 season and I am being optimistic.
    The Browns are rumored to be considering Ron Wolf or Mike Holmgren for their vancant GM spot. I say bring in Wolf as the Packer GM and Holmgren as the Head Coach and after a year or two let Ron retire and elevate Holmgren to Head Coach/ GM. Spell that out in writing and I bet that both Ron and Mike would buy into the program.
    The Pack needs a serious reworking and that means cutting the cord with the three bafoons that have caused all of our problems.
  7. Andy H
    163. Posted by Andy H Thu Nov 5 11:14pm EST

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    Chris, do you really think what you know matters more than who you know as far as becoming an NFL coach? What you know certainly means a lot, but there are plenty of knowledgeable football people out there who will never coach in the NFL because they don't have the connections.
  8. mike
    162. Posted by mike Thu Nov 5 5:39pm EST

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    use the big boy havner more.
  9. TMan
    161. Posted by TMan Tue Nov 3 2:19pm EST

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    "THIS JUST IN", I, meaning me, 'TMan' has officially jumped off of the Packers bandwagon this year. I have been a Packer backer since 63' and have seen, rooted for, backed, and defended some terrible, and I do mean terrible teams, but this has got to be the most unorganized bunch of overpaid, over-indulged, over-hyped, over-rated. and egotistical bunch of morons I have ever witnessed. They can't protect the QB, can't keep their emotions in check, can't catch, cant tackle, miss assignments, can't run the ball, can't follow directions, and can't play a full game. Their are only two players on the team that give a crap and play through every down, Rodgers and Woodson. I am not jumping off the bandwagon for good, just this year, and "NO" I will not be jumping on another bandwagon, well maybe the Saints. But damn it, the way they are playing, maybe I should put a Bag over 'MM's head, Hey at least 'TT' didn't take away his play calling ability. Then again, maybe he should
  10. <i>dairy_air98</i>
    160. Posted by dairy_air98 Tue Nov 3 12:58pm EST

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    I've given MM his due. He's had 3 years to make a winning team. He has not. The stupid penalties are direct reflection of a coach. He has not corrected them in 1+ seasons and that all falls on him.
    He came from New Orleans when they sucked, then SF, when they sucked and now, the Pack sucks. Who is the common denominator, MM.

    Not a head coach.
  11. Joe
    159. Posted by Joe Sat Oct 31 5:46pm EDT

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    Any true packer would never don a viqueen jersey unless he's a turncoat douchebag, like faver, sharper, longwell,ferguson etc. anything but a purple nurple. the hillbilly jared allen will get his mullet handed to him this week...Go Pack!!!!!
  12. thenewbob
    158. Posted by thenewbob Sat Oct 31 11:11am EDT

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    Breaking News....Favre says he is going to retire after his return to Lambeau Field on sunday... or not
  13. Chris
    157. Posted by Chris Thu Oct 29 11:08am EDT

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    I think it's amazing how a lot of people here feel the McCarthy/Thompson are thew reason that the Pack aren't consider an elite team yet.. They are obviously football geniuses who could coach in the NFL if they wanted to, but have elected not to.....Give it a rest people...The two of them are obviously talented at what they do..If you think you can do better, then why aren't you coaching in the NFL...Idiots
  14. Cpt. Blasto
    156. Posted by Cpt. Blasto Tue Oct 27 12:34pm EDT

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    I never realized how much I miss the Wolf days. I think the TT+McCarthy experiment is about over. The Packers had a breather from sacks for a week, but the Viqueens will bring that all back down to earth. How is it that all of a sudden-according to media- that Hawk is seeing less plays and Kampman seems now expendable? If the Pack didn't have the correct personnel ready for the 3-4, why go to it until you do? Defense was the reason they were sub-par last year, and defense will dictate their success this year. I worry about the aging secondary
  15. WRGII
    155. Posted by WRGII Tue Oct 27 6:19am EDT

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    I am staying with the TT+Mcarthy = AVERAGE theme. Did anyone see how Cinci manhandled the Bears or the Pats over the Fins? The difference compared with how the Pack beat the Browns is night and day. The 31-3 score is misleading. The Browns, right now, are the worst team in the league. The Pack did not win like an elite team. They still have a below average running game, undisciplined mistakes, and difficulty in the red zone. If we want the Superbowl sometime in next 3 years, drop TT+Mcarthy at the end of this season. Otherwise, we'll continue to be average.
  16. WRGII
    154. Posted by WRGII Sat Oct 24 3:40am EDT

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    This is simple...TT+MCarthy are not terrible, but, they are AVERAGE. No great team or organization....allows continuous undisciplined play, continuously relies totally on draft and player development , wins without a true belief in and a well scripted running attack, etc., etc., TT+Mcarthy are Wolf+Holmgren-LITE. If Packers want to continue to be an average or slightly better team, keep TT+MCarthy. But with Cower, Gruden and Shanahan on the market...WHY DO WE WANT TO SETTLE FOR AVERAGE?
  17. <i>dairy_air98</i>
    153. Posted by dairy_air98 Tue Oct 20 12:52pm EDT

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    1987 - the last time a GB team has been penalized this much. Was that Lindy Infante? I've said for a few weeks now that McC reminds me of Infante. Infante couldn't correct it and so far McC has no clue.
    In his defense, how can we have the youngest team year after year? How about some Vets, TT?
  18. tom s
    152. Posted by tom s Tue Oct 20 6:00am EDT

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    Im suprised greenbay beat detroit honestly,this team is not much better than detroit!!!pass happy offense,stick to the basics green bay run the damn ball!!!!
    i mean there playing the worst team in the nfl,and everyone knows you can run the ball versus detroit,nope not there stupid coach,lets pass the ball.if i was ryan grant i would demand a trade. mccarthy can talk all his ----,whatever stick to the basics you moron
  19. GBPfan
    151. Posted by GBPfan Sat Oct 10 3:55am EDT

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    How much longer does Ted Thompson get to make the Packers lose, fail and suffer? Until AR is carted off the field on a stretcher? The players are losing confidence, I guarantee it. You didn't think they would tolerate it forever, did you? I assure you that Aaron Kampman will not nominate himself for President of the Ted Thompson fan club. The players will continue to play hard, but they are only human.
  20. luke g
    150. Posted by luke g Fri Oct 9 2:48pm EDT

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    the pack looks okay but some one needs to tell aaron that his o'line sucks and to get rid of the ball sooner.if he would do that it wouldn't be 20 sacks already. also the damn coaches get paid big bucks to see and adjust why then most all packer fans can see kampman needs to be move to 3 point stance. i live in tx now but grew up in Wisconsin.love the pack but only see a few games a
    year would like to see them win one against dallas if the o'line doesn't get fixed demarcus ware will kill rogers. if the coaches are having troubles making calls or don't know how to win call me!!
  21. <i>robseverance</i>
    149. Posted by robseverance Fri Oct 9 2:39pm EDT

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    I don't know. I don't know how you can defend the job that Ted Thompson has done up to this point. The Packers have had only one winning season under his watch. I don't count 8 and 8 seasons as winning seasons and the only winning season we have had is in 2007.
    If the Packers turn it around, which they still can, then I think there is a better argument for TT. But if they go below 9 wins this year we (Packer fans) are going to have to face facts. The team is going in the wrong direction under TT.
    Myself, I hope at the end of the season I am able to say TT knows what he is doing but the reality is, its the amount of wins that count. TT's job has to be judged on whether or not this team is winning or loosing. Right now it is loosing and I can't see holding on to a guy that can't get the right people on the field to get the job done.
    By the way TT did the absolute right thing in trading Brett Favre. I totally support this decision. Aaron Rogers has proven to be an outstanding QB in spite of the fact he has had no one to block for him. All of you that think Favre would be doing better, Im sorry, he would be dead right now the way the O line has been blocking since last season. But, sorry TT you have got to get people around Aaron Rogers who can help him win or he will be requesting a trade soon too.
  22. <i>bsgorilla</i>
    148. Posted by bsgorilla Fri Oct 9 9:41am EDT

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    You Ted Thompson whining, blinded by Favre love drones are about the worst fans in all of football. Turn your back on your team to follow one selfish guy - the northwoods T.O. The Packers are going to become a free agent wasteland because no one is going to want to come and play for such an awful, turncoat fan base. I know I wouldn't. You people are terrible fans and have embarrassed all of football fandom with your disloyalty to all the other players on the Packers. It must be driving the real fans of the team nuts up there.
  23. Roydan O
    147. Posted by Roydan O Fri Oct 9 12:30am EDT

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    I see another 6/10 season for GB,not because of Rogers. Ted didn't do
    anything to improve the offence line + didn't resign Mark Taucher.
    Brett Favre ( good for him ) is now in a perfect spot, only a few cold weather games the rest inside. probably 14/2 . Well Mike still think his heart isn't in the game????????
  24. p
    146. Posted by p Tue Oct 6 5:42pm EDT

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    as a packer fan and a favre fan i must say it was a good game rodgers showed me something last nght we all have a qb that will be around for a while as for brett good for you go get the superbowl ted didnt want you to get after the season is over i hope murphy sees ted for what he really is a 1st round drafting bust that is way to arrogant to be my gm he pushed brett out hes the one whos first act was to desimate the o line remember? wouldnt get moss remember?it was all about the draft and while im at it as far as aaron goes he fell into teds lap if you remember that draft put this all on teds shoulders where it belongsstop all the brett bashing and if you are a packer fan its about the packers and in my opinion ted will never be a quarter of the packer brett is
  25. <i>robert_soper</i>
    145. Posted by robert_soper Fri Oct 2 7:18pm EDT

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    I first a Green Bay fan (and owner) and have been since before most of you were born. However, some people seem to forget that Green Bay told Farve to go away and play somewhere else. He is a traitor to no one. Thompson dumped him (perhaps for a good reason). He earned the right to be retired or play as long as someone was willing to live with his indecisiveness. The people dissing Farve need to grow up. Until you have worn his cleats, it is not your decision whether and for whom he should play. And for all of those people who think he is washed up, tell that to the Niners, and the Vikings who obviously disagree - and and let the talking happen on the football field. We have the opportunity to watch a great game Monday night - so it is all good. It happened like this 15 years ago - check it out: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-thegameface100209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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