Dungy see Buffalo as option for Vick

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NEW YORK (AP)—Tony Dungy says Michael Vick(notes) could potentially wind up in Buffalo, which he says previously discussed signing the quarterback.

Dungy has served as an adviser to Vick since the Super Bowl-winning coach retired from the Colts after last season. Now a commentator for NBC, Dungy confirmed during the pregame show Sunday night before Philadelphia hosted Dallas that the Bills and Vick “talked originally” when Vick was searching for a team after serving 18 months in federal prison for running a dogfighting ring.

The Eagles signed Vick to a $1.6 million contract for 2009, with a team option for the second year at $5.2 million. But he has played sparingly.

“I told Michael to just worry about this year,” Dungy said. “It’s technically up to Philadelphia. If they want him back, he has to stay there. If they don’t, there are some teams looking for quarterbacks: Cleveland, St. Louis and Washington.

“But I think a dark horse is Buffalo. They talked originally. There was some communication there. I think that could be a good spot.”

Vick has not been the weapon for the Eagles some expected and he was in for only two plays in their 20-16 loss to the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday night. Vick said his focus is on helping the Eagles win a Super Bowl and not where he’ll play next year.

“It’s what I thought it would be,” Vick said. “I knew I couldn’t come in and do anything that would disrupt the rhythm of the offense and what we had going on here. I knew I was going to have to be patient.”

Bills starter Trent Edwards(notes) struggled this season before sustaining a concussion. Ryan Fitzpatrick(notes), a career backup, has been the starter with Edwards out of the lineup.

Vick didn’t want to talk about potential teams for the 2010 season.

“Me and Tony talked about my position in the future, whether I’m here or whether I’m there,” Vick said. “We talked about it, but the primary goal is to help this team win the Super Bowl.”

Vick has completed 2 of 6 passes for 6 yards and rushed 12 times for 27 yards, mostly out of the wildcat formation.

He said he usually talks to Dungy at least once a week and receives “great advice” from his mentor. Vick, who has talked to churches and schools about the poor life choices he’s made, has enjoyed his second chance in Philadelphia.

“It’s been great,” he said. “Every day I wake up and I just thank God I have another opportunity to play football and put on a uniform. That’s what I’m thankful for.”

Updated Nov 9, 1:09 am EST
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  1. fee funk
    1653. Posted by fee funk Thu Nov 12 1:02am EST

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    all you haters only hate cause yall lack the talent it's a shame you people have so much 2 say about m.vick.who cares about pitbulls anyway their bread 4 fighting you stupid ass people would know that if you look up the history about them,owe i forgot you white people try and make them your pets only 2 find out they turn on you and your kids but then it's 2 late.and before i forget you get the dog gernal and see who runs dog fighting it sure aint black people they just found a way 2 make money out of it so shut up bout it
  2. troy a
    1652. Posted by troy a Tue Nov 10 5:56pm EST

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    fox news is owned by a man,who has most of his fortune tied up in the health care industry,now how smart are you? dumb ass people
  3. glenn
    1651. Posted by glenn Tue Nov 10 4:28pm EST

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    dungy needs to shut his pie-hole. i don't want to hear from you or your hoodlum buddy vick
  4. elijah
    1650. Posted by elijah Mon Nov 9 9:49pm EST

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    vick desivers to be on a team that he can start and lead his team to a playoff apperance vick should be starting and needs to leave philly they dont give him enough time
  5. crystal
    1649. Posted by crystal Mon Nov 9 7:40pm EST

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    Hello Micheal Vick...................

    This is your praying partner Crystal, Listen the LORD! wants you to HOLD ON, and hang in their. Whenever the LORD told me to write you, he always had a plan for you and that plan was to play football again. Now, the LORD still has a plan for you just wait on him and ask him what would he have of you to do and what TEAM does he have for you???? Now when the LORD give you your answer, then just walk into your destiny. Always remember that the LORD bought you out and that he has an awesome plan stored-up just for you and God Bless Mr. Dungy being their for you. Please visit my church sometimes the address is in the letters that was written to you when you were away.
  6. crystal
    1648. Posted by crystal Mon Nov 9 7:39pm EST

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    Hello Micheal Vick...................

    This is your praying partner Crystal, Listen the LORD! wants you to HOLD ON, and hang in their. Whenever the LORD told me to write you, he always had a plan for you and that plan was to play football again. Now, the LORD still has a plan for you just wait on him and ask him what would he have of you to do and what TEAM does he have for you???? Now when the LORD give you your answer, then just walk into your destiny. Always remember that the LORD bought you out and that he has an awesome plan stored-up just for you and God Bless Mr. Dungy being their for you. Please visit my church sometimes the address is in the letters that was written to you when you were away.
  7. Jeff L
    1647. Posted by Jeff L Mon Nov 9 6:11pm EST

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    No Hymn, what world have YOU grown up in??? Racism may still exist, but on ALL cylinders. People are just as racist against white people these days, as any other race. Tell me how many white CB's or RB's are in the NFL??? Or in the NBA? LOL! Maybe you and McNabb can count them together, the hypocrit.

    Everyone has struggled or been oppressed. Whites have done it to THEMSELVES.Regardless of color, at one time or another, everyone has...plain and simple. GET OVER IT.

    In my opinion, people who even drop race as a factor (you, Mcnabb) are probably the racists, lol. Cause 99% of people wouldn't have even thought of it that way, had no one said anything.
  8. Superstar Impact
    1646. Posted by Superstar Impact Mon Nov 9 2:35pm EST

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    I want Dungy and Vick in Philly next year! I'm sick of this Reid/McNabb under-achieving thing. No passion when it counts the most. The Cowboys were asking to lose last night and the Eagles were like Matadors in the 4th quarter. Marion Barber is not Jim Brown!! And why don't they just run the fullback on 3rd and short? Dallas couldn't tackle him all game. We gave that game to the boys. Time for a coaching change and you get an erratic QB with the deal! Thanks for making the Eagles winners. BUT WE WANT TO BE CHAMPIONS!
  9. Steve A
    1645. Posted by Steve A Mon Nov 9 8:12am EST

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    Don't bring that guy to Buffalo or there will be a fan revolt!!!
  10. Hymn
    1644. Posted by Hymn Mon Nov 9 7:34am EST

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    All I have to say are these two things:

    1) Vick still has many years of pro football left in him...simple and plain! He just needs the chance to improve himself as a player! He's been given the chance to be on a team and hopefully soon will be given a chance to lead a team as QB! Haters are going to hate regardless of there being a reason or not...hating is their job! Meanwhile this man is getting his act together and making a living on an NFL team! Hating doesn't seem to measure up to that Lol!

    2) #1636 "JP" said: "why does what happened centuries ago still apply now , this is simply not true. you mean to tell me Vick got 2 years in jail for killing dogs in the most vicious hideous way because he was black? what a right out lie, so a white man or a man of any other color would of got off. Nothing could be further from reality"

    I just want to say no offense but are you serious? Which world have you grown up in? Should ALL corporate punishments be across the board (regardless of race, color, creed, religion, gender...)? Yes absolutely! To allude, presume, assume and/or affirm this is so is an absolute untruth and is really not the way this country was set up or even the "constitution"! Think about it my man, who are the so-called "founding fathers" of this land? Who all had an equal say in the "constitution"? It is so easy for people who are not or who have not been persecuted to either ignore or downplay another person's, race's or culture's persecution! I'm not saying African-Americans should play the race card to get away with foolishness/crime/hate any more than those of Native-American or Jewish heritage! But for anyone to claim racism and/or inequality doesn't now exist or should be swept under the rug or should not be a topic of conversation (in order to learn from and not repeat) is living in a fantasy world...again simply and mainly b/c they are not the ones who have to go through it!

    I do appreciate the truth you spoke about Jesus being the Christ and ONLY savior of the WHOLE WORLD though...God bless you for that! It is truly amazing to me how many people of all races/colors say they love God but hate one another (especially b/c of racism) when God came as a lowly servant of Jewish heritage! To me it wouldn't have mattered if he came from Mars or Pluto; was Nigerian, Baltic or what have you! The FACT that He was wholly God and yet wholly man and that ONLY He was/is able to save me is more than enough and should be for ALL of mankind!

    Hymn
  11. Winton H
    1643. Posted by Winton H Mon Nov 9 7:16am EST

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    Buffalo hasn't had an offense in a decade.
  12. Dre
    1642. Posted by Dre Mon Nov 9 2:07am EST

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    Leave the race issue out of this loser!!! You are a loser if that's all you think about and talk about!
    Being a loser is your official sport! Micheal Vick never played the race card. Nor did O.J. only you hateful losers who wish you could make that much money and dont!
  13. EW
    1641. Posted by EW Mon Nov 9 2:00am EST

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    Michael Vick...... the next OJ only hes got a early start.
  14. Ronnie T
    1640. Posted by Ronnie T Mon Nov 9 1:48am EST

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    Just like our Country...... were in so much trouble..... and all this bull@#$% racism talk. Wake up America, the war is on our doorstep. Our Government is taking over, it is still we the people! THEY work for US! Free healthcare? BULL@#$%! Already taking over 40% of my pay! WAKE up... talk is cheap.
  15. <i>shbxford50</i>
    1639. Posted by shbxford50 Sun Nov 8 9:18pm EST

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    Vick is old news and not work the attention. If he was any good, he would be playing and would have more than a one year contract secured with Philly. He is done. Time to move on.
  16. Elizabeth
    1638. Posted by Elizabeth Sat Sep 19 10:27am EDT

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    i dont know why some of you guyz hate Obama. Hez a nice guy i think a good presedent. i think hez trying his best to help us. anyone think different!!
  17. J.P.
    1637. Posted by J.P. Tue Aug 11 2:23am EDT

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    Anonymous said...
    As an older Black Man, I was never more proud than when Barack Obama was sworn in as our President. Months later, I'm extremely disappointed in our President, the Governor, and Professor Gates.

    It appears that Professor Gates reacted poorly to a police officer trying to do his job and return home safely to his family. Without the facts, our President and the Governor quickly assumed that Professor Gates had been wronged. I see this with so many Black men today.

    They, and I, grew up as victims of racism and it'll never be forgotten. All 3 of them overcame that racism and made something of themselves. But all 3 of them still have the same ugly chip on their shoulder. That chip says "I'm a Black Man in America. I was oppressed so you need to treat me with more respect. I was oppressed so you need to treat me better. If you disagree, you're trying to oppress me and all of my brothers again."

    In his NAACP speech, President Obama spoke about responsibility and accountability. Mr. President, Mr. Governor, and Mr. Gates, it's time to be responsible for your own actions and your own words. In the Navy, a real man would say "I fouled up". If our great country is to survive, we need fewer Black Men and fewer White Men - we need Real Men.
    I am a minority myself, but could confidently say that the professor is the one who played the race card and did the profiling. I wonder if he would have been so billigerent if it were a black police officer just trying to do his job. Shame on you Obama for getting involved, just because it is your friend. Get back to the nation's business of fixing the many problems we face, please!

    Correct, Gates was himself profiling. I can understand the man being upset if the cops wanted to come in and look around, but it was the attitude that got the best of him.

    But big deal--local story. Obama is the one that elevated it. And I'd like to know whether Lynn Sweet, from his old hometown, was urged to ask that question or whether Obama knew it was coming in the presser. Nobody is talking about the failed health care bill and the Blue Dogs war against Pelosi, etc.

    And now the Times pulls another leak about Bush/Cheney.
    Obama... I think his policies are going to send this country to.the well,His a typical liberal that spends without any foresight or vision of how this is going to effect, EVERYBODY! However I applaud him for acknowledging his part in this and reaching his hand out to each of them and bringing them together to resolve this issue. I wish more race mongers black and white would do the same instead of putting gasoline on a small flame that is trying to be put out
    i believe police officers are trained to act as the adult in the room and that is regardless of the race of the citizens they are in contact with
    They, and I, grew up as victims of racism and it'll never be forgotten. All 3 of them overcame that racism and made something of themselves. But all 3 of them still have the same ugly chip on their shoulder. That chip says "I'm a Black Man in America. I was oppressed so you need to treat me with more respect. I was oppressed so you need to treat me better. If you disagree, you're trying to oppress me and all of my brothers again."
    Hard for me to say, but do you think Obama suffered the same treatment as you or other blacks in the CONUS when growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii? To me this is rooted in his indoctrination with Frank Marshall Davis and Jeremiah Wright and the like. During the campaign Al Sharpton criticized Obama for not being black enough, ie, wasn't there for the struggle.
    In his NAACP speech, President Obama spoke about responsibility and accountability. Mr. President, Mr. Governor, and Mr. Gates, it's time to be responsible for your own actions and your own words. In the Navy, a real man would say "I fouled up". If our great country is to survive, we need fewer Black Men and fewer White Men - we need Real Men.

    Well said (and thanks for your service). Here's something that speaks to that very notion..

    Morgan Freeman talks to Mike Wallace about race

    11:48 AM
    Anonymous said...
    We have a double standard in this country when it referrers to racism: racism is a two way street and we are all guilty of it in one form or another and to say you are not racist is to say you are without sin. In America it is ok for a black man to be openly racist and not ok for a white man. President obama is the perfect example, just think if the former president pulled the race card. We would have riots and destruction in the streets. Burn baby burn……
  18. J.P.
    1636. Posted by J.P. Tue Aug 11 2:16am EDT

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    Why does every one always bring up the race card for? why does what happened centuries ago still apply now , this is simply not true. you me en to tell me Vick got 2 years in jail for killing dogs in the most vicious hideous way because he was black? what a right out lie, so a white man or a man of any other color would of got off. Nothing could be further from reality. I'm a white Italian man who makes 20 thousand a year ,so if i did that i would of had a slap on the wrist and any other white person also a slap on the WRIST,What bull, the laws in this country apply to both , yes the past there were many injustices to the beautiful black people God has created, along with the beautiful Italian people along with the Irish, polish, Greek, Jews, Hispanics, look at the history of the world, hate is not formed against one group going hard after another group, hate and evil are the norm of human beings, in history world wars have killed millions of Germans, Italians, Africans, poles, Russians, don't play that race card with people who can reason. I being Italian what card can i play? i was fired many time by white employers, i have been abused by white people, the most damage to my life was myself, and the people i hung with, so what card do i use? there is no card. point made. And because we are sinners in need of Christ. We all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Jesus loves us all and died for us all, there are black people like Jesse Jackson, and AL sharp ten, who hate white people along with Farrakhan and there are many black militants that would like nothing better then to kill millions of Jews and white , why are they not called racists?. there is black on black crime , white on white crime, brown on brown crime, in japan what is the crime rate there?, in north Korea? in Rwanda? was it not the millions of tut sis killed by the black Hutu's ,in the Arab countries who kills who? ,the suicide killings in Iran, Iraq, look at the way the Islam kills, no my friends no race card in the world, its the sin card. and the only cure is Jesus, who is willing and wanting to forgive all of us for our sins, now that's the truth. People have to learn to accept responsibility for the actions one does, no one makes another kill in america, the police do a great job for the most part there are millions of people in jail of all color, because of the crimes they commited, we all live in this world .Dont play the race card with people who can reason. One only has to look at the history of slavery , Who can deny that was a grave evil ,was not the killing of 6 million jews very evil also ,but you never hear jackson and sharpton say any thing about it. well WHAT does Farrakhan have to say .he is the most devilsh hate monger of all. could you imagine if another person of white decent says what he says, what would happen?. every one has faced injustice in this world ., dont play the race card with one who could reason. look at the race baiting that Jackson and Sharpton do. Could one day go on in their lives where they dont talk about it and inflame people with right out lies. You think they can enjoy a baseball game, or a picnic in the park , but no they race bait everyday of their lives. They mislead people by the millions. Every group that came to this country faced bad schools, bad housing, bad everything ,dont pick one group against another. its not race, its sin .Jesus called it sin, when jesus died on the cross for us, he did not play the race card, he took the sins of the whole world upon him. WE ARE TO REPENT OF OUR OWN SINS TO HIM .NOT THE SINS OF OTHERS hey game breaker get your game straight , you dont know a thing your talking about. Look at history ,about the the history of the crusades, they were not christian who did WHAT YOU SAID THEY DID. IT was the roman catholic church and the popes who killed millions of jews and true christians, read about the history of WHO ENDED THE CRUSADES, MARTIN LUTHUR, .You should think before you speak. and you failed to really see what i wrote. You CANT SEE WHAT THE WORLD IS REALLY LIKE .HATE COMES FROM ALL PEOPLES NOT FROM ONE CERTAIN GROUP AS YOU SEEM TO THINK, DONT PLAY THE RACE CARD WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN REASON. you did not listen to a word i said, any one with reason would know that any kind of hate is based on the evil nature of man.

    I think the first murder was Cain slew Abel. to say just white people can hate a certain group of people is so wrong and so deceptive,you did not mention the crime that blacks do , did you forget the million man march when the worst racist since Hitler ,Farrakhan went to Washington D.C.even the master bigot said its time for black men to love their children and be home for them as role models, and to be good husbands to the woman they married, so that the children wont get into trouble in the streets. So their is always a crutch to use, don't blame that on race. You did not mention about African nations civil wars that have blacks killing millions of blacks did you. OR YOU DID NOT MENTION JACKSON , OR SHARP TON RACISTS VOICES DID YOU, You seem to think white people have a racist gene in them , when millions of slaves were in slaved by black men also look at true history, did you not remember the exodus when the Egyptians held Jews in slavery for 4 hundred years, no you seem to forget true history. there are millions of people in history that have faced struggles coming to this country , all people who came here to America faced hard times Italians, Irish, Poles, Greeks, DON'T PLAY THE RACE CARD WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN REASON. I'm white what is there one thing i can do that you cant, nothing no one is going to give anything to a white person for free cause there white, last i knew everyone has to work and work hard to make a living,i don't think white people get a free ride. Their ARE MILLIONS of poor white, brown, Hispanics, black, Indians, people in the world today, so don't play the race card with any one that can reason, the crime in America against blacks are done by blacks in the city i live in. and i love all people because Jesus loves all people and died on the cross for all the sins of the world. so it is a sin issue not a race issue cause we all come from Adam and Eve and we are the same race,
    545. Posted by J.P. Sun Aug 9 4:01pm EDT Report Abuse
    hi , willie i agree with you on some points, but willie be honest here. has not all people done harm to each other and other groups ? i don't think its race willie its just sin , people are bent on evil right if the whole world was just one race, killing will still happen, rape ,plunder, crime would still be as rampant as it is today , willie you cant possibly mean that all white people are born with a racists gene do you? willie all people have been hurt by others since the beginning of time, look at the Hebrew slaves in the book of exodus, look at the African nations willie , look at what the Hutu's did to the Tutsi, look at what Taylor did to the African tribes, look at Ida Armin, and the Congo. yes willie millions of blacks have been killed by blacks , look at Ireland willie the the i.r.a. and the catholics have killed hundreds of thousands, , there is white and black racists and extremists, the k.k.k should Be put on the planet mars, then you have Farrakhan who hates Jews and whites and if he had his way would kill millions, look at the world wars willie, millions of people from every country at one time or another were raped , killed, tortured, willie there must of been at least 500,000,000 million Christians willie who have been killed since the time of the one and only savior of man kind Jesus our lord was born, so willie all people have been hurt , all cultures willie. be honest please I'm white and i don't have a hate for any group willie, as a christian we are commanded to love, its not a race issue its a sin issue. willie be honest, in my city this is the truth the crime that's done to blacks are done by other blacks willie all the homicides that are reported in my city against blacks are done by blacks, why is that, and white homicides are done by whites, look at the gangs willie the Latino gangs they will kill anyone for drug money right, the cartels that come here and recruit our teens in high school to deal for them, yes willie your right about people like Jackie Robinson and the evil of what was done to many wonderful African Americans willie yes the no rest rooms , the no diners, the this and that , but all groups that came here were the new kids on the block and were hated the Italians were forced to take all the low paying jobs, then the Irish the poles, the Greeks, and the Jews. gods chosen people willie have suffered the worst, then the native American Indians willie were massacred so all people willie. look at what the horrible Islamics do to there own, and to any one that does convert to their evil cult ,off with their heads, they want to take over the world willie, and will kill us all if need be but that wont happen because Jesus will come back and right every wrong ever done, my friend so willie i love you man i do are you a christian willie?

    Racism is WRONG. Crying racism constantly is no better. its not race anyway, its a generic word these days and people don't like to talk about it but i think the bible calls it sin, now you want to talk about discrimination, oh my the millions of Christians that have been persecuted and killed over the centuries, again we see the evil that the human race has,, can anyone really say if the whole world was just one people, killing, rape ,torture, hate, would end, no. right, so what really is it then ? ITS THE SIN CARD, WE ARE BORN WITH SIN. SIN IS THE CAUSE AND JESUS IS THE CURE MY FRIENDS
    548. Posted by J.P. Fri Aug 7 8:42pm EDT Report Abuse
    Wrong, every one has a nature toward hate, every race has had description towards it every people has been denied basic human rights one time or another. don't deny history. i did not say it did not exist .i said all people have done it , would anyone disagree with that ?be honest, don't try to win a debate here to-boost ones ego.all of America has faced it. Italians ,poles, Irish, Germans, Greeks ,Spanish, blacks, and whites .to say that the white race is the sole group is a lie, so people who are light skinned have a racists gene in them do they? lets be honest, the the mere fact when groups of people bring up words black, white, this and that it inflames the emotions, the race baiters do this both white and black, are we not all Americans ?all human?, don't we all in this earth feel pain, love our children , miss family members when they die, i love the African America people there awesome, , i love the Italian, the poles, the Irish, we all smile ,and we all cry, we all need to work, we all need god, don't we we all need love , we all need friends, we all need Jesus , i love dark skin i used to go to the tanning booth all the time, its the people who race pimp that fuel the masses, why is that ? to make money and to boost ones ego really ,
  19. chrisl
    1635. Posted by chrisl Tue Aug 11 12:08am EDT

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    I'm just waiting for Al Sharpton to jump on the band wagon. Give me a break.
  20. <i>secure334</i>
    1634. Posted by secure334 Mon Aug 10 8:12pm EDT

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    1637. Posted by williams7172@... Mon Aug 10 7:52pm EDT Report Abuse
    to secure 334. don't be a dumb ass and use the constitution as his right to work, because he has "talent" everyone is jealous of. It's just plain B.S. Fact is if regular citizens committed same crime, would ur employer hold ur job for u? Hell no. You would be replaced and forgotten about a long time ago. Also what "talent" are you refering to about vick; his 51% career completion percentage? He's nothing but a fast brother. I can find 100 people from my area that can do what he does, and probably at least 10 can actually pass. If he was such a good quarterback he would of had a job before he was off house arrest. he doesn't because he isn't period.

    Maybe you should check into that a little better. I support Vick in no way shape or form. Vick has no Talent other than running from cops. He is free and should be happy with that instead of crying about not being in the NFL. It's Tony Dungy and Jessie Jackson that is making it a racial issue. Just because Vick isn't getting his way. I hope Vick plays so he can make asses of all his supporters. Because he is going to stink it up after 3 yrs of not playing a single down in football.
  21. <i>secure334</i>
    1633. Posted by secure334 Mon Aug 10 8:05pm EDT

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    1636. Posted by mad87442 Mon Aug 10 7:17pm EDT Report Abuse
    It is every teams option if they want Vick or not. So you have Jessie Jackson and Tony Dungy trying to get Vick back his job. Why are they only helping Vick and not all the other players Black or White that was or are in trouble. If Big Ben Roethlisberger loses his job are they going to go to bat for him? I would bet not. So don't go crying to me about racism. You bring that on yourself. And so what if Vick doesn't get on a team is the world going to end? No you will just not make money on him. After Vick setting for 3 yrs i bet you won't make any money on him anyway.

    *****Note to secure334*****
    Your response had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my comment!!! I never mentioned ANYTHING about MYSELF making money on/off Vick and his success? And I never called YOU a racist! Whats wrong? Did something I said hit you a little too close to home? Next time you decide to repost and reply to one of MY comments STAY ON THE SUBJECT!!! I REFUSE TO HOLD A BATTLE OF WITS WITH AN UNARMED MAN!!! Have a nice day!!!!!

    maybe you should understand what you read. Did something i say hit close to home. i didn't call you a racist either did i? I was talking about all the comments on this site just as you was. ok here it goes.#1 the PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE doesn't give two @#$%s about Vick Because he doesn't conduct himself as a professional and the true professional athlete is not going to bad mouth a fellow player. THAT would not be professional. #2 Nobody said he needed to be tried twice for the same crime. If he wants his job back he should have to earn it. Not just step right out of jail and into the best job in life just like he never left. What punishment would that be by the NFL. #3 Vick went to college and see where he is. So I guess a college will take anyone as long as they can play sports. no matter how much trouble they have been in. So hey mad how is it to be unarmed. and yes i'm in college and i played sports. Like that has anything to do with the SUBJECT.
  22. <i>williams7172@...</i>
    1632. Posted by williams7172@... Mon Aug 10 7:52pm EDT

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    to secure 334. don't be a dumb ass and use the constitution as his right to work, because he has "talent" everyone is jealous of. It's just plain B.S. Fact is if regular citizens committed same crime, would ur employer hold ur job for u? Hell no. You would be replaced and forgotten about a long time ago. Also what "talent" are you refering to about vick; his 51% career completion percentage? He's nothing but a fast brother. I can find 100 people from my area that can do what he does, and probably at least 10 can actually pass. If he was such a good quarterback he would of had a job before he was off house arrest. he doesn't because he isn't period.
  23. Jon
    1631. Posted by Jon Mon Aug 10 7:17pm EDT

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    It is every teams option if they want Vick or not. So you have Jessie Jackson and Tony Dungy trying to get Vick back his job. Why are they only helping Vick and not all the other players Black or White that was or are in trouble. If Big Ben Roethlisberger loses his job are they going to go to bat for him? I would bet not. So don't go crying to me about racism. You bring that on yourself. And so what if Vick doesn't get on a team is the world going to end? No you will just not make money on him. After Vick setting for 3 yrs i bet you won't make any money on him anyway.

    *****Note to secure334*****
    Your response had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my comment!!! I never mentioned ANYTHING about MYSELF making money on/off Vick and his success? And I never called YOU a racist! Whats wrong? Did something I said hit you a little too close to home? Next time you decide to repost and reply to one of MY comments STAY ON THE SUBJECT!!! I REFUSE TO HOLD A BATTLE OF WITS WITH AN UNARMED MAN!!! Have a nice day!!!!!
  24. willie
    1630. Posted by willie Mon Aug 10 7:05pm EDT

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    7 Things You Didn't Know About PETA


    1) According to government documents, PETA employees have killed more than 19,200 dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens since 1998. This behavior continues despite PETA’s moralizing about the “unethical” treatment of animals by farmers, scientists, restaurant owners, circuses, hunters, fishermen, zookeepers, and countless other Americans. PETA puts to death over 90 percent of the animals it accepts from members of the public who expect the group to make a reasonable attempt to find them adoptive homes. PETA holds absolutely no open-adoption shelter hours at its Norfolk, VA headquarters, choosing instead to spend part of its $32 million annual income on a contract with a crematory service to periodically empty hundreds of animal bodies from its large walk-in freezer.

    2) PETA president and co-founder Ingrid Newkirk has described her group’s overall goal as “total animal liberation.” This means the complete abolition of meat, milk, cheese, eggs, honey, zoos, aquariums, circuses, wool, leather, fur, silk, hunting, fishing, and pet ownership. In a 2003 profile of Newkirk in The New Yorker, author Michael Specter wrote that Newkirk has had at least one seeing-eye dog taken away from its blind owner. PETA is also against all medical research that requires the use of animals, including research aimed at curing AIDS and cancer.

    3) PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to Rodney Coronado, an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) serial arsonist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing memorandum, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich has also told an animal rights convention that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation,” adding, “Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it.”

    4) PETA activists regularly target children as young as six years old with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda, even waiting outside their schools to intercept them without notifying their parents. One piece of kid-targeted PETA literature tells small children: “Your Mommy Kills Animals!” PETA brags that its messages reach over 1.2 million minor children, including 30,000 kids between the ages of 6 and 12, all contacted by e-mail without parental supervision. One PETA vice president told the Fox News Channel’s audience: “Our campaigns are always geared towards children, and they always will be.”

    5) PETA’s president has said that “even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we would be against it.” And PETA has repeatedly attacked research foundations like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, solely because they support animal-based research aimed at curing life-threatening diseases and birth defects. And PETA helped to start and manage a quasi-medical front group, the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, to attack medical research head-on.

    6) PETA has compared Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust to farm animals and Jesus Christ to pigs. PETA’s religious campaigns include a website that claims—despite ample evidence to the contrary—that Jesus Christ was a vegetarian. PETA holds protests at houses of worship, even suing one church that tried to protect its members from Sunday-morning harassment. Its billboards taunt Christians with the message that hogs “died for their sins.” PETA insists, contrary to centuries of rabbinical teaching, that the Jewish ritual of kosher slaughter shouldn’t be allowed. And its infamous “Holocaust on Your Plate” campaign crassly compared the Jewish victims of Nazi genocide to farm animals.

    7) PETA frequently looks the other way when its celebrity spokespersons don’t practice what it preaches. As gossip bloggers and Hollywood journalists have noted, Pamela Anderson’s Dodge Viper (auctioned to benefit PETA) had a “luxurious leather interior”; Jenna Jameson was photographed fishing, slurping oysters, and wearing a leather jacket just weeks after launching an anti-leather campaign for PETA; Morrissey got an official “okay” from PETA after eating at a steakhouse; Dita von Teese has written about her love of furs and foie gras; Steve-O built a career out of abusing small animals on film; the officially “anti-fur” Eva Mendes often wears fur anyway; and Charlize Theron’s celebrated October 2007 Vogue cover shoot featured several suede garments. In 2008, “Baby Phat” designer Kimora Lee Simmons became a PETA spokesmodel despite working with fur and leather, after making a $20,000 donation to the animal rights group.



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    1629. Posted by secure334 Mon Aug 10 7:00pm EDT

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    1637. Posted by mad87442 Mon Aug 10 6:39pm EDT Report Abuse
    There's a whole lot of "I'm not racist" and "YOU PEOPLE" talk going on. Bottom line is the man made a mistake, went to court, was found guilty and PAID THE PENALTY AS SET BY THE COURTS. You cannot be tried for the same crime twice and that is what every person who says he shouldn't be allowed to persue his career is doing. Whether he be successful or even if he fails, HE DESERVES THE RIGHT TO TRY, Thats what THOSE first 10 ammendments in the CONSTITUTION are there for. (Bill of rights- Inc case your intelligence is limited by ignorance) The real issue is that people are JEALOUS of the MONEY that this man could potentially make if his comeback is a SUCCESS. A comeback made with skills that each one of YOU in OPPOSITION can only sit back and wish YOU had.
    How many of YOU in opposition EVEN WENT TO COLLEGE let alone WERE GOOD ENOUGH AT ANY SPORT TO EVEN ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF BEING A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE? How many Pro- athletes have gone on record and said Vick should be barred for life? Truth of the matter is all of you nay-sayers are full of nothing more than JEALOUSY over seeing someone with an OPPORTUNITY that you never had or could EVER HOPE to get!!!
    SHUT-UP, STOP HATING,GET A LIFE AND LET VICK MOVE ON WITH HIS LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It is every teams option if they want Vick or not. So you have Jessie Jackson and Tony Dungy trying to get Vick back his job. Why are they only helping Vick and not all the other players Black or White that was or are in trouble. If Big Ben Roethlisberger loses his job are they going to go to bat for him? I would bet not. So don't go crying to me about racism. You bring that on yourself. And so what if Vick doesn't get on a team is the world going to end? No you will just not make money on him. After Vick setting for 3 yrs i bet you won't make any money on him anyway.
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