NFL asks for rehearing in suspensions case

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MINNEAPOLIS (AP)—The NFL on Wednesday asked a full federal appeals court to hear the case involving two Minnesota Vikings players who violated the league’s anti-doping policy, saying the issue has to be settled to avoid different standards for players in different states.

Last month, a three-judge panel of the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals essentially allowed Kevin Williams(notes) and Pat Williams(notes) to continue playing while the case proceeds in state court.

The panel’s ruling, however, left two New Orleans Saints players who violated the same policy subject to suspension. The NFL has allowed Saints defensive ends Charles Grant(notes) and Will Smith(notes) to play, but contends a uniform policy is needed across the nation.

“The panel’s decision makes the problem stark,” the NFL attorneys wrote in the petition filed Wednesday.

The Williamses, who are not related, are not accused of taking steroids. They tested positive in 2008 for the diuretic bumetanide, which is banned by the NFL because it can mask the presence of steroids. The players acknowledged taking the over-the-counter weight loss supplement StarCaps, which did not state on the label that it contained bumetanide.

The NFL attempted to suspend the players four games each for violating the league’s anti-doping policy. But the Williamses sued the NFL in state court, arguing the NFL’s testing violated Minnesota workplace laws.

The case was moved to federal court, and the NFL Players Association filed a similar lawsuit on behalf of the Williamses and the Saints players, including Deuce McAllister(notes), the Saints’ career rushing leader who was released after last season.

The NFL says federal labor law should pre-empt state law and uniform standards are necessary for players nationwide.

“For a multi-employer bargaining unit like the NFL, with members in many states, a single nationwide collective bargaining agreement establishing the terms and conditions of player employment is indispensable,” the attorneys wrote.

“That need for commonality and uniformity is greatest when, as here, the NFL seeks to regulate the terms on which players can play in order to ensure safe, fair, and even-handed competition,” they wrote.

In May, a federal judge dismissed the NFLPA’s lawsuit and several claims in the Williamses’ case, then sent two claims involving Minnesota workplace laws back to state court. A judge there had issued an injunction prohibiting the NFL from suspending the players, and has scheduled the trial in their lawsuit for March 8.

The appeals court panel last month agreed with those decisions.

Peter Ginsberg, an attorney for the Williamses, said his clients are eager to go forward with the Minnesota trial and have a state jury evaluate their claims for damages.

“We don’t expect the NFL’s procedural efforts to delay resolution to be successful, and we look forward to moving ahead,” Ginsberg said.

Last week, the House Energy and Commerce Committee said it plans to conduct a hearing on the case. Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., said he was concerned that the legal issues raised in the case “could result in weaker performance-enhancing drugs policies for professional sports.”

Updated Oct 14, 2:51 pm EDT
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  1. Steve
    561. Posted by Steve Fri Oct 16 3:14pm EDT

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    Neal, that's a shoddy argument. Sure, the Williams are employed by the Vikings and have to follow the Vikings' terms of employment. But the Vikings are not free to make their own terms of employment. As an NFL franchise they agree to abide by and enforce the NFL's terms. There is no loophole that says every team is allowed to make their own terms for their own 53 players and eight practice players. All 32 teams agree, per the CBA, to enforce the same terms. If the Vikings want to buck the agreement the league can punt them out of the league. In that case, sure, they can then leave the league and come up with their own terms.
  2. <i>paytonrip3499</i>
    560. Posted by paytonrip3499 Thu Oct 15 1:48am EDT

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    What is interesting to me is that the starcaps product that the Williams' admittedly taken is exclusively marketed to women.

    Care to explain why 300+ lb. DT would be taking a product for women?

    I am not accusing them of masking steroids, but you will never convince me they were taking it for a legitimate purpose.

    There is no way with all of the supplements out there that they would be taking one for women unless there was a hidden benefit.

    The NFL will get them in the end, just wait.
  3. Neal
    559. Posted by Neal Wed Oct 14 8:00pm EDT

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    The entIre case for the Williams' is based on assumption that they are employed by the NFL. The truth is that they are employed by Minn. The Minn laws states that they can't be disciplined by the EMPLOYER for the violations. As was stated earlier the NFL is the party trying to displine them for violating the CBA, not the Vikings (whom employ them).
  4. Aaron
    558. Posted by Aaron Wed Oct 14 3:08pm EDT

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    The Williams actually knew that everything can be challenged, but they play in Minnesota where they knew their state rights where they were not told that StarCap was a banned substance and contained an illegal substance, but the NFL knew the illegal substance. The legal system is set up a check and balance system. The Williams knew that they would have better state right if they went to state court because that were where they mainly were. They were employed by the Minnesota Vikings with the NFL as the governing. You have state rights with federal rights too. The Collective Bargaining Agreements broke state laws, therefore it have to go to state courts before the federal courts could get involved because the Minnesota , which you cannot go to federal court to get out abiding by state laws. The state courts have to deal with state laws and the federal court have to federal laws and have to deal with challenge state laws disputes AFTER state court have decided their case. The Williams took it to the first closest courts that was around. The way the NFL is trying to say that the state courts should not even exists, but the laws is that you have to go by federal and state laws. I mean it got where the NFL think they are above the laws all the time. This is basically showing that no one is above the law. I mean the NFL should answer to state and federal law,which you have to go to approval before you can build stadiums instead of the NFL, so you have to get approval.
  5. Jed the viking
    557. Posted by Jed the viking Wed Oct 14 1:35pm EDT

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    Every state has laws that differ from state to state. laws that deal with their specific state, this is related to how or whom a person votes form ie senate congress etc. back in 85 or 86 a new york cop went to jamacia used cocaine whole time there, he came back to work they state of ny gave his a urine test they tried to fire him could not fire him although they did suspend him. he was rehired even had to repay while him the time he was suspended..... do you know why--- at the time cocaine was legal in jamacia... i love americia and jamacia. just shows you be careful who put in office they can help or hurt you in long run
  6. Jed the viking
    556. Posted by Jed the viking Wed Oct 14 1:22pm EDT

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    #555 i think are they not a vitiam supplement. boy the nfl acts like a jealous scorned x girl friend wont let go. give up allready they are pushin it cuz `fraid vikings might go all the way. must have their money on another team did i just say pete rose in football terms... ooppps the nfl kas-topo is at my door. lmmfao
  7. Jeremy B
    555. Posted by Jeremy B Wed Oct 14 1:01pm EDT

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    I would say that a weight loss supplement is a performance enhancing drug.

    It's not a steroid, but that's not the same thing. (Check your Venn diagram)

    Did losing that weight help the Williams' play better? Probably. If they had stayed overweight it would have increased their risk for injury and potentially made them slower or less effective.

    By taking a drug to help them lose weight, they enhanced their performance.

    Maybe they should just lay off the Twinkies in the offseason and none of this would have happened.
  8. <i>thumperdisney</i>
    554. Posted by thumperdisney Wed Oct 14 12:50pm EDT

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    This is so ridiculous that it's comical. The NFL and all other pro sports leagues need to grow up and act like any other nationwide corporation that has drug testing policies. You take the laws of all the states in which you have employees and you make your drug testing and enforcement policies such that they are legal in all of those states. It's not difficult, thousands of corporations have been doing this for years.

    The NFL and other major sports leagues are under the delusion that they can claim that the sport is "just a business" when it suits them (free agency and moving teams or leveraging stadiums from taxpayers) and then break the laws that apply to business and claim that the collective bargaining agreement excludes them from those at the same time. That's not how it works, any contract that breaks laws is an invalid contract. I hope the federal court shows the NFL the door and reminds them that if they follow the guidelines set forth by other national companies that the drug testing would be fair and legal among all the teams once again.
  9. B
    553. Posted by B Wed Oct 14 12:22pm EDT

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    Wheres the intelligent conversation about this article?? Your team sucks NO YOURE TEAM SUCKS blehhhh
  10. Matt A
    552. Posted by Matt A Wed Sep 23 4:23pm EDT

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    536. Vegas Packer

    Its a good thing Vegas laws apply to you, I'm pretty sure it's the only state sodomy is legal.

    Besides your arguement is way off. Nevada laws apply to you because you work in Nevada. Traveling to another state for a game or to attend a workshop changes nothing.
  11. Mr Common Sense
    551. Posted by Mr Common Sense Wed Sep 23 4:19pm EDT

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    Hey Twinkletoes, Post 541 - YOU ARE A WORLD CLASS MORON. Take you lunatic fringe Democrat Party ramblings to the NBA articles. Those NBA ghetto rats will love to read you ignorant postings. People must be held accountable. Even you, no one disputes your alternale lifestyle. Roger Goodel is the only Sports Commissioner that has the guts to make the good decisions. That moron running baseball is useless and the NBA Commish is nothing more than a bag of grits. Figured you a Vikings fan, all those liberal nut balls in Minnesota. Go suck up the exhaust from a bus.
  12. Twinkletoes
    550. Posted by Twinkletoes Sun Sep 13 11:37pm EDT

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    Me thinks Neal enjoys ruffling feathers. Either that, or he really doesn't know how to read. Don't see how we can ever expect to stay the world model if people neither understand nor want to understand the very basic concepts of our legal system.

    Just makes me laugh when those who complain the loudest that someone has found a loophole in the law are the very people most looking for a loophole when they find themselves in trouble. Pretty sad statement, but very true. As Hardluck said, this was a substance that in no way improved performance. It is said to mask the use of steroids, yet no claim ever has been made that either Williams has ever taken steroids.

    But finally, it really is just about a Federal court saying that they believe the Minnesota courts have jurisdiction in the remaining matters to be litigated. Not really a big deal. It actually happens every day in our court system. In this, no one is deemed to be at fault. It is merely a procedural matter.
  13. hardluck
    549. Posted by hardluck Sun Sep 13 3:55pm EDT

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    I think you people should read the article again. They didn't take drugs. They're not accused of taking drugs.
  14. mark r
    548. Posted by mark r Sun Sep 13 2:16pm EDT

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    Sorry Neal. All you have provided is proof that you don't know how to properly interpret pretty straight forward and plain English language. If the FEDERAL court thought the state was overstepping their bounds, they would have upheld the suspensions and not wasted any more of anyone's time. Instead the FEDERAL court upheld the restraining order on those suspensions. I am sorry Neal, but it is you who doesn't know what you are talking about or how to interpret the jurisdiction in this case. You can feel "pretty sure" all you want, but trained legal professionals are disagreeing with you. Obviously the FEDERAL courts and judges feel the state of Minnesota has jurisdiction at this point of the case. Again, you have provided no proof but that you don't know how to read the Constitution and its Amendments and failed to grasp that FEDERAL judges have ruled against what you feel "pretty sure" about.
  15. Neal
    547. Posted by Neal Sun Sep 13 11:58am EDT

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    Mark post #536.... The testing was set down in the CBA which puts it in federal jurisdiction. The state laws no longer apply because of that. The CBA takes precident over state laws. The federal court is waiting for the state court to make a decision and when that decision goes against the NFL, which Im pretty sure it will, it will be the federal judges that step up and say that the state judge was wrong and could possible have that judge brought up on federal charges for violating federal law.
    The more you post just shows how little you actually know. I provide you with all of the proof that you need to show that the state judge didn't have the jurisdiction to stop the suspensions in the first place. So their shouldn't even be a state court case. It should have gone directly to the federal level because it was a matter of a CBA.
  16. <i>excatman53</i>
    546. Posted by excatman53 Sun Sep 13 11:58am EDT

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    money talks,drugs are ok if you play pro sports!!!!!!!
  17. mark r
    545. Posted by mark r Sun Sep 13 7:04am EDT

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    #538. VegasPackerFan. I really can't find too much fault with that argument. Will be interesting to see if the NFL might make that attempt if the Williamses win their Minnesota court case. But I suspect it might all boil down to the state in which the failed tests were taken.

    I also can see the Williamses having a civil case against StarCaps for lost wages if they do get suspended for not labeling their ingredients properly. StarCaps contained bumetanide but didn't include it on the packaging. When we as Americans read ingredient labels on vitamins, minerals, food and over the counter medication, the labeling is supposed to be accurate.
  18. morky
    544. Posted by morky Sun Sep 13 4:42am EDT

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    i read threw a few comments..funny how a few accuse others of making bad comments,but also make bad ones themselves..so many times it all boils down to the money..im a packer fan and remember what happened to tony mandrich with his steroid problem..hope the same happens to the williams',but then again will see how this year goes with the not be able to take there drugs!!!of course the people that stick up for that are proably doing it themselves..
  19. Novacain
    543. Posted by Novacain Sun Sep 13 3:54am EDT

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    Post 518 Curt

    The problem with your logic is huge. If you let one person of for a reason like that, then everyone and their mother who fails the test will claim the same thing, whether it's true or not.
  20. Momiji
    542. Posted by Momiji Sun Sep 13 3:15am EDT

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    I should say the same of you Twinkletoes. Regardless they should have just owned up to their violation of the rules and taken their deserved punishment. Then again, why follow the rules if cretins like them are just going to find loopholes to avoid receiving whats rightfully due them. Sure we have the right to contest just about anything in the court of law but in the end the world would be a much better if people would be mature enough to own their transgressions and take their punishments. With people like them why have rules at all, just skate the rules of your contract with a legal loophole.

    Has nothing to do with "due process," has everything to do with personal responsibility and their lack of it. If anything this goes to their personal character or rather their lack of character. And have you forgotten? The NFL fashions itself as a organisation whose employees and players are role models for kids and communities. If the Viking organisation truly has any character it will cut those two players just like some other NFL teams have done to their players that had violated the substance abuse policies.
  21. Twinkletoes
    541. Posted by Twinkletoes Sun Sep 13 2:31am EDT

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    Normally I do not call people idiots, but 540 you sure come darn close. I just hope someday you are treated differently from others and get to experience what power can do. The NFL commissioner has his head so far where the sun doesn't shine he doesn't know which way is up.

    The facts are that several players were found "guilty" of using this substance, yet only five or six were chosen to receive penalties. The players were offered an out by paying a six-figure fine and receiving no suspension. Sort of like a police officer giving you a ticket that is just enough so that it would not be worth your while to fight it.

    Additionally, collective bargaining agreements are binding on all who wish to take part in whatever the agreement covers. You show me an NFL player who both reads and comprehends a complex legal agreement like that and I'll show you someone who should be practicing contract law instead of playing football. You cannot play if you don't sign the agreement no matter what it says.

    Facts have shown that Gene Upshaw, when he worked on the agreement with owners, was definitely leaning to help the owners as much, if not more, than the players. He is dead but his agreement lives on, for better or worse. But what bothers me most about your statements is the presumption that authority is necessarily right and those who complain or challenge it are necessarily wrong. That is why our legal system exists - to allow those who disagree to challenge a finding or ruling and allow for independent review of the matter. It is one of our most basic rights, the right to due process. You might be willing to give it up, but I sure am not.

    By the way, I'm a Vikings fan but I don't think there is any chance they make the Super Bowl. My money is on the Packers to win the division, unfortunately.
  22. Momiji
    540. Posted by Momiji Sun Sep 13 1:34am EDT

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    Why can't people just own up to the punishments due them. I'm getting sick of these over-paid sports athletes never taking responsibility for their actions. These drug tests are to keep people from not only cheating but to protect them from themselves. The team should drop these two losers for setting a bad example and exploiting loopholes to get away with what was at the very least irresponsible behavior.

    I was actually hoping the Vikes would do well this year, but now I hope they lose every game they let these two losers play.
  23. Eric
    539. Posted by Eric Sun Sep 13 12:56am EDT

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    what a couple of babies....you cheated, got caught, now have to cry to the courts. The NFL wants to suspend me for taking illegal drugs. BOOHOO. Now whats to stop the rest of the players on different teams from shooting up drugs to be like the Williams?
  24. VegasPackerFan
    538. Posted by VegasPackerFan Sun Sep 13 12:43am EDT

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    #536....

    NFL players pay state income tax for each game they play in those states. Athletes are taxed based on "duty days" they spend in each state.

    With that being said these two are claiming that the NFL is violating Minnesota drug and alcohol-testing laws by suspending them last year for testing positive for a banned substance.

    Well they play games in other states. The NFL should suspend them from the first four away games if the players win this suit. After all they are only claiming Minnesota law, yet they work in 8 other states during the regular season. States that do not have to abide by Minnesota state laws.

    I work in Nevada my companies headquarters are in another state. My checks are written from a bank in that state yet because I work in Nevada I have to follow Nevada state employment laws. So for 8 games a year they should have to follow the state laws that they are working in. If those states labor laws are not the same as Minnesota (like Louisiana), they should be suspended for those away games.
  25. <i>cleancave</i>
    537. Posted by cleancave Sun Sep 13 12:13am EDT

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    im a big vikings fan, but someone should kick brad childress in his testies until he vomits worst coach ever
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