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Except for the cheap jokes I'll be making at the expense of Patriots fans for the next 10 years or so, I'm ready to be done with all issues relating to Spygate and Bill Belichick being a cheater. Belichick's legacy is still up for discussion, but in terms of any further investigation, unless anything new comes to light, I'm ready to let it go.

So when Matt Walsh told Roger Goodell that the Patriots used players who were on injured reserve during team practices, I immediately dismissed it. I didn't care. It's against NFL rules, but I didn't think it was any big deal. And I still don't.

But Ross Tucker, a former NFL lineman and New England Patriot, wrote about the practice last week at SI.com, and appeared yesterday on NFL Live to further discuss the practice, and what was said might be useful in deciding about how you're going to think about Bill Belichick from now until his retirement, and again when he's up for Hall of Fame induction.

Here's the interesting thing to me: Tucker, who played for four teams, said he never saw an IR player used in a practice anywhere except New England. James Hasty and Marcellus Wiley were panelists on the show, and when Trey Wingo asked them about it, Hasty said he played for three teams, and said he never once saw it happen, and Wiley played for four teams, and said he never once saw it happen.

Again, I still don't believe the Patriots gained any huge advantage because of the practice. The idea is that you get a young player some repetitions with the first team, and you get to rest veterans during practice. It's not something that's going to make or break your season.

But the fact that Tucker, Wiley and Hasty never saw it happen anywhere else does cut into the "oh, everybody does it" argument. Tucker's take is that there's so little to be gained by practicing players on IR that it doesn't make sense for a coach to take the risk of getting caught. But Belichick did it anyway.

And on top of everything else that we've learned about Bill Belichick, it helps paint a picture of a guy who has no regard for the rules, no matter how big or small, is willing to do things that other coaches won't, and is hellbent on getting any advantage he can, legal or otherwise. It's not an issue that I'm terribly concerned about in terms of competitive advantage, but I don't know if it can be so easily dismissed in regard to the issue of Bill Belichick's legacy.

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  1. Foreverafalcon
    1. Posted by Foreverafalcon Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:01 pm EDT

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    Oooooooooohhhhh hellllllll!!!!!!!!!!! whats next??
  2. Smoove V
    2. Posted by Smoove V Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:30 pm EDT

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    Pats fans coming to the defense of Belichick in 3 2 1...
  3. Dave R
    3. Posted by Dave R Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    only patriot haters and people with no lives care about any of this crap... really, he practiced players who weren't going to be playing. sounds terrible to me. any chance i can read something about, oh i don't know, football?
  4. Older_than_Moses_Shaq
    4. Posted by Older_than_Moses_Shaq Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    Nothing the scumbag does surprises me anymore. Great judge of talent...can you say $17M siging bonus for Andre Rison? Probably did it to bang Bad Moon's ex who later burned down his house.
  5. Turtle
    5. Posted by Turtle Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:25 pm EDT

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    If he gets into the HOF, it will be a disgrace.
    The reason its a rule is so you can't add extra players to your roster.
  6. oldcorps116
    6. Posted by oldcorps116 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:44 pm EDT

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    who cares,it is not national defense. we already know he is a cheater, what other skeletons are in the closet
  7. Patrick B
    7. Posted by Patrick B Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 pm EDT

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    I think it's funny that this will get more attention than the 49er's abusing trading rules. Other teams have been caught (and in the last decade a majority of teams have broken at least 1 league rule) and no one cares. The Pats do anything out of line and it becomes a scandal.
  8. FairlyHonestBob
    8. Posted by FairlyHonestBob Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:28 pm EDT

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    Belichick doesn't need no stinking rules. He's like King George in the Whitehouse, above the law.
  9. brian b
    9. Posted by brian b Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm EDT

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    The reason why the rules exist is so the players aren't overworked when they are injured. Bill is willing to take this risk and it is no wonder Bruschi is a stroke survivor.
  10. Brn4Life
    10. Posted by Brn4Life Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:43 pm EDT

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    I can't wait until Roger the Dodger and Bilicheat are a faded memory of Football.
  11. Maineiac
    11. Posted by Maineiac Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:43 pm EDT

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    Bill is " The Man" he knows how to get it done.
  12. Shawn G
    12. Posted by Shawn G Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:18 pm EDT

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    Yeah, he "gets it done" by jeopardizing the long-term health of his players, apparently. He has no personal integrity. None. If you like "win at all costs," I guess this flies. Oh, but wait, it's not HIS health he is toying with. Amusing how anyone can defend this as anything but gutless.
  13. Maineiac
    13. Posted by Maineiac Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:43 pm EDT

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    Win me another Super Bowl Bill. I enjoy watching the Pats.
    Would you like some cheese with that................
  14. KenM
    14. Posted by KenM Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:52 pm EDT

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    BTW, this still have ONLY been confirmed by Matt Walsh (consider the source) and is very poor journalism for MJD to treat it as fact. Can you say Tomase??
  15. Bud B
    15. Posted by Bud B Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    Define Practice. What is the rule in NFL terms and what was actually done by the Patriots? Until the above is answered with specifics no one has broken any rules.
  16. Bud B
    16. Posted by Bud B Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    Define Practice. What is the rule in NFL terms and what was actually done by the Patriots? Until the above is answered with specifics no one has broken any rules.
  17. Bud B
    17. Posted by Bud B Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    Define Practice. What is the rule in NFL terms and what was actually done by the Patriots? Until the above is answered with specifics no one has broken any rules.
  18. Get In The Game
    18. Posted by Get In The Game Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:34 pm EDT

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    Hey, all u hatetriots, did u forget, Cheat Cheat never Beat..........
  19. armand d
    19. Posted by armand d Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:45 pm EDT

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    belichick is and will be forever the best coach in the nfl.why do so many players want to be a patriot and other teams refuse to let their free agents talk with the patriots? because their scared of the patriots!!
  20. not 4 now
    20. Posted by not 4 now Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:35 pm EDT

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    ''GET R DUN'' ! GO BILL AND THE PATS 2008
  21. Stanley Morgan
    21. Posted by Stanley Morgan Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:30 pm EDT

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    It's funny how MJD takes as gospel three players who "testify" in the media that they never saw another team conduct the same practice. I remember hearing the same things from Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds, et al about steroids, but when it comes time to testify under oath, what do these same players have to say? The NFL doesn't want a Mitchell report type of investigation on cheating practices in the NFL because it will open a can of worms that is not as convenient as having a single villain like the Patriots.
    Patriots haters whining coming in 3 2 1...
  22. vozzy3
    22. Posted by vozzy3 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:38 pm EDT

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    It became obvious a while ago to anyone observant that Belichick is to football what the Clinton's are to politics!
    Ruthless & willing to do anything for power! It is sad that they can give cheaters & liars a bad name!
  23. Stanley Morgan
    23. Posted by Stanley Morgan Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:30 pm EDT

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    Lawyers also know how to capitalize and punctuate sentences. Let me guess. You're not a lawyer.
    On a related side note, if the Patriots were known to have taped offensive signals as well as defensive signals and Eric Mangini was a defensive coach for the Patriots at the time, should Eric Mangini be fired because he fraudently profited from his experience? Just a thought that I've never heard anyone bring up. Of course, Mangini coaches for the Jets now and it wouldn't make any sense for a team or individual outside of the Patriots to be punished.
  24. MarkS
    24. Posted by MarkS Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:17 pm EDT

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    Was'nt it Ross Tucker who bolted on the Pats and checked himself into a Psych hospital for mental illness?? or am I thinking of someone else??
  25. Brn4Life
    25. Posted by Brn4Life Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:43 pm EDT

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    # 25 You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO Right !!!

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