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On a key 3rd down late in the 3rd quarter of the Giants-Eagles game, Eli Manning was flagged for a penalty for throwing the ball after having crossed the line of scrimmage. The first down completion was overturned and the Giants appeared to have been forced to kick a field goal that would have cut the Eagles lead to one point.

Tom Coughlin challenged the play though, a decision that earned catcalls from both the NBC announcing crew and the group I was watching the game with. Replays clearly showed the ball was well over the line of scrimmage.

Imagine everyone's surprise, then, when referee Walt Coleman announced that the call was overturned. The rule, apparently, dictates that every part of the quarterback's body has to be over the line of scrimmage for a penalty to be called. Since Eli's right foot was still on the line, he is considered behind the line of scrimmage and the pass is legal. To which I say, "WHAT?!"

This makes the tuck rule look like logical. Every spot ruling in football is based on the position of the ball. On a touchdown, the ball only needs to cross the plane of the endzone. The ball carrier can have his toe on the two yard line and it wouldn't matter so long as the any part of the ball is touching the end zone.

Each individual play in a game is also spotted wherever the ball is located when a player is ruled down. And this threshold isn't only subjected to the football. When a player steps out of bounds, he's considered out at the instant one foot touches the line. It doesn't matter where the rest of the body is, all that matter is that if one bit of the toe touches the OB line, that player is out.

But the line of scrimmage rule is written so that quarterbacks have to entirely cross over into another plane in order to be over the line of scrimmage? Compared to the other rules, this one is a complete outlier. It's completely ridiculous.

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  1. Dakota
    1. Posted by Dakota Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    Good point.
  2. Lotus
    2. Posted by Lotus Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:57 pm EDT

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    You are correct, the rule as it stands makes little sense.
    But even accepting the rule as it stands, I thought this play was an incorrect call. Manning should have been penalized.
  3. MONGONI
    3. Posted by MONGONI Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:37 pm EDT

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    I despse the giants and especially eli's retarded butt.how in the heck was that allowed?....c'mon skins!!!!
  4. A Yahoo! User
    4. Posted by A Yahoo! User Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:56 pm EST

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    if you were watching the game, the red line was a bad spot... it was a bit to far back..
    even so.. if you judge from the line ALONE... anyone without glasses can see his heal on the line...
    as far as the rule...
    football has a TON of tarded rules...
    try the tuck one for example...
    and im NO fan that DBs can force recievers out of bounds to keep the completion from taking place.
  5. mr. met
    5. Posted by mr. met Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:38 pm EDT

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    It doesnt matter they would've still won 32-31
    The rule is pretty dumb though, i guess they meant the feet have to be under the line.
  6. mr. met
    6. Posted by mr. met Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:38 pm EDT

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    if they got the field goal (and they probably would've) is what i meant
  7. TC
    7. Posted by TC Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:57 pm EDT

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    I don't see how the ref could overturn the call on the field. From what I saw on the replay it was to close to overturn. That's the luck of the Eagles.
  8. KrumbSnatcha
    8. Posted by KrumbSnatcha Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:19 pm EDT

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    From an Eagles fan, this call was a bunch of crap!! Refs let this kinda crap fly cause he is supposedly the "Good ol' choir boy/ corky hero" of the NFL. I had to literally mute my TV because Al Michaels kept on reverting back to this play over and over and over again....it was insanity!!! NBC please fire him.
  9. Candace S
    9. Posted by Candace S Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:34 pm EDT

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    The red line is unofficial... and when they readjusted the red line for the play later in the game to be more accurate, it looked like the correct call was made.
  10. Andy M
    10. Posted by Andy M Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:54 pm EDT

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    you're wrong. look candace S is right. that red line is unnofficial, the sticks on the field are official.
  11. scm
    11. Posted by scm Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:08 pm EDT

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    A pass is not determined from were the ball is released from the hand. Its where your feet at at. If your standing on the 20 yard line and throw the ball, you don't say you threw it from the 21 because that's where the ball left your hand. The rule is like this so that you can run up to the L.O.S and release the ball over that line otherwise you would have to penalize some QBs for having longer arms.
  12. Charlie M
    12. Posted by Charlie M Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:21 pm EDT

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    I'm a Skins fan, and I despise both of these teams almost as much as I love watching the Cowboys suck. This is just stupid though- is it too much to ask to get a referee with a brain these days?
  13. Chris C
    13. Posted by Chris C Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:24 pm EDT

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    Yes, the imaginary red line was moved in a later replay because NBC's original line was too far back. But even then, the ball was still over the correct line of scrimmage. I never said the call wasn't correct. My frustration is about the rule. The rule is that a quarterback's entire body has to be over the line of scrimmage and that just don't make any sense.
  14. Lisa
    14. Posted by Lisa Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    This rule also came up in a game the Cowboys played here recently; I believe it was Jeff Garcia who threw when he was across the line of scrimmage. He was fully past, but not much further than Eli was. It's a ridiculous rule. The NFL needs to step up and rewrite this one.
  15. Hitman
    15. Posted by Hitman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:48 pm EDT

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    The fix was obviously in- another example of playing favorites.
  16. Candace S
    16. Posted by Candace S Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:34 pm EDT

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    Chris, I wasn't saying that about the red line because of what you wrote, but for the people in the comments arguing that the call was bad.
    The rule may be (and is) stupid, like you said, but the call was still correct, no matter how much the Eagles fans commenting here wish it wasn't. Like someone else said above, the NFL just has a bunch of weird rules... there are probably a handful of them that can afford rewrites.
  17. Bill K.
    17. Posted by Bill K. Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:23 pm EDT

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    I have to disagree with you on this one. If Eli's feet were firmly planted behind the line of scrimmage and he was falling forward and released the ball (beyond the line) I think we'd agree that it would be legal. If a receiver keeps both feet in bounds and reaches out of bounds to catch a ball, it's still a catch...regardless of how far out of bounds the ball is in the air. The rule might be confusing, but given how far the ball moves throughout the motion of a forward pass, I'm not sure how else to word it.
  18. donald h
    18. Posted by donald h Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    eagles got the worst calls of any home team ever in football. I can only hope they don't let those refs do the playoffs. how come everyone at home can see the right calls but the instant replay cant. it makes no sense.
  19. Aaron F
    19. Posted by Aaron F Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:28 pm EDT

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    AP RULES!...who cares about the giants...VIKIGS SUPERBOWL 09!
  20. Robert D
    20. Posted by Robert D Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:14 pm EDT

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    Hahaha! The G-men still walk away with the win.
    I've seen many of bad calls...if the Giants got lucky so what. I've seen calls go the other way for teams that don't deserve it! Giants won it fair and square!
  21. Robert D
    21. Posted by Robert D Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:14 pm EDT

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    Honestly though...a rule is a rule....the refs didn't see it fit to uphold the ruling on the field as called, because of the the rules stated in the book. Don't blame the NYG for that.
  22. Robert D
    22. Posted by Robert D Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:14 pm EDT

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    "EVERY PART OF THE BODY"!!!
  23. Chewy
    23. Posted by Chewy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    the line of scrimmage is just that a line not a half yard wide red block his heel was past the beginning of the red area which is the line of scrimmage. What ever happened to indisputable video evidence for an overturn anyway? Typical bias by the refs for a new york team but i guess we all should be used to it now happens for them in every sport
  24. G
    24. Posted by G Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    The red line was incorrect. All the ref sees in the "booth" is the yard marker on the field, which was at the 20 yd line! not where the red line was (which was a half yard back from teh actual line of scrimmage) and Manning was STILL on THAT line, which, according to the rules, makes it an illegal throw. NBC even corrected their red line later in the game. Yahoo! get the right picture before post something this bogus!
    Also, we need to stop becoming so dependant on inaccurate Television Graphics that are NOT seen on the field in REAL LIFE!!!! There would have been no controversy if this game took place 20 years ago before all the annoying CGI the NFL insists on bombarding us with on Game Day.
  25. david w
    25. Posted by david w Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    Andi MUST go

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