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Fri May 09, 2008 1:59 pm EDT

Howie Long didn't want his son to be a Raider?

And it's not because the Raiders are a perennially bad football team, either. This interesting little tidbit was tucked into a masterful Dr. Z mailbag column that deals primarily with e-mailers angry about Zimmerman's draft assessments.

• Not exactly a draft question, but Steve of Naperville, Ill., read that if Chris Long might have wound up a Raider, it would have angered his dad, Howie. Why? This is deep, and very little of it has come out. To put it in its simplest form, Al Davis said at one time that he felt that Howie retired a few years too early. The problem is that Howie's body was pretty well shot when he packed it in, and he always resented that statement. Even now, he's looking at extensive corrective surgery to get his shoulder right, his back, and God knows what else. Why is it so bad? Because he spent a whole career facing the meat grinder. He played left end, the power side, in the base defense, and he'd drop down inside at other times. Not once did he ever get to put on a wide rush from the open side, as Greg Townsend did. Howie, coming off the edge at RDE, would have raised all kinds of hell, but he never got the chance to find out.

I had no idea that there was beef between Howie Long and Al Davis, and it's kind of shocking that no one mentioned it in the days leading up to the draft. Leave it to Doc Z to bring it to the people.

I find a great deal of irony in Al Davis criticizing anyone else's retirement decision. I'm sorry, Al, but we can't all follow your example and work well into our 130s.

Al Davis is a pioneer in the league, and deserves a place in NFL history as such, but his retirement as a decision maker is pretty long overdue. His favorite TV show is still Sugarfoot. I think he tried to draft Paul Warfield in the 6th round this year. He's still making all the big draft decisions, despite the fact that the Raiders have won 19 games over the last five years.

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  1. Older_than_Moses_Shaq
    1. Posted by Older_than_Moses_Shaq Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    Come on Howie, look at all the big $$$ Al was trying to have you make. He's handing out $$$ like candy on halloween these days. Never did that before, now did he?
  2. John V
    2. Posted by John V Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm EDT

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    haha @ 130s
  3. bigboo's bro
    3. Posted by bigboo's bro Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:38 pm EDT

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    This picture of Al Davis should serve as a warning to those who do not get treatment for STDs.
  4. The STUD Boy
    4. Posted by The STUD Boy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:07 pm EDT

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    I hate the Raiders, and that is why, you take a class act like Howie Long and throw him under the bus and expect he should be grateful to you. Same thing happened with Marcus Allen, there is no way I would want my kid playing for the Raiders, Davis is cheap and senial, great place to ruin your career.
    What will be the win total for the next 5 years (15 is my guess).
  5. The STUD Boy
    5. Posted by The STUD Boy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:07 pm EDT

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    I think Davis is really the Crypt Keeper. Or apparently he is trying to become Darth Sideous.
  6. Drizzle
    6. Posted by Drizzle Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:48 pm EDT

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    bigboo's bro-That was funny, LMAO! But agree and just made an appointment for a check up! LOL
  7. brian b
    7. Posted by brian b Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm EDT

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    5. if you get paid to play then don't be a little baby crying about I am playing too much. Throwing him under the bus is letting him suit up and start every game? Having Al's coaches mold him into a hall of fame player. You think he could have went to the flailing Patriots of the 60's 70's 80's and 90's and made the money he did, win superbowls and make it to the pro bowl year after year. Ruin your career like career like you sate such as career backup Rich Gannon or have a chance to resurrect your career like Lameont Jordan or Warren Sapp. Maybe Howie's son should have went to the Cardinals where they will never see a championship.
  8. tobereal
    8. Posted by tobereal Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:27 pm EDT

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    this new news, is old news. after howie left the raiders, AL and he did not speak for years, but if you go back to when AL was inducted into the hall of fame, you will find that this issue was put to rest. THE TWO SPOKE AND HAVE CONTINUED TO DO SO SINCE.
  9. brian b
    9. Posted by brian b Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm EDT

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    "Al Davis said at one time that he felt that Howie retired a few years too early".
    Hmmm Most players retire to late and Al says you could have played a few more years. Sounds like a compliment to me.
    Howie Long quote:
    “When I went to the Hall of Fame in 2000 and was inducted, it was a travesty the kind of carnage I saw out of these guys who were in their 50s and 60s, who had defined and in many ways laid the foundation for the NFL being what it is today.”
    Please coach don't start me year after year as a professional football player which i get paid millions to do.
  10. The STUD Boy
    10. Posted by The STUD Boy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:07 pm EDT

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    Give me a break, bottom line is he had talent, you don't think he would of been an all-pro on another team, then you are fooling yourself. How exactly did Lamont Jordan and Warren Sapp "resurrect" their careers, Sapp did nothing because he was already done, Jordan was supposed to be the savior for that team and now he is the 3rd string RB and quit on your team last year. As far as Super Bowls, it is a team game, if he was on a good team he would of won Super Bowls while he played, if he was on a bad team he wouldn't. The bottom line is why do you think Davis is paying 50 million for the likes of Javon Walker, because no one wants to play for the Raiders, he couldn't even sign his QB last year before the season started, because he is cheap and senial.
  11. brian b
    11. Posted by brian b Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm EDT

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    Stud, I said the chance to ressurect your career. Lameont had the chance but didn't. Sapp had a ten sacks the previous year and would have never had that chance in TAmpa. If he is cheap then why did he give Walker so much money. Put Howie on the 80's charger teams and tell me he would have had a chance to be a hall of famer. He would have been doubled and tripled team all day while his scrub teammates fall to the floor. The raiders had some talent and Howie Long was not double and tripled teamed clearing the way for him being a star. Bad teams don't produce hall of famers and bad teams do win superbowls. Ny won last year didn't they?
    btw lameont was benched for fargas. he cried for his job back but the backup was better.
    THe skinny is Howie didn't make the raiders, the raiders made Howie. Al made Howie.
  12. A Yahoo! User
    12. Posted by A Yahoo! User Fri May 09, 2008 5:32 pm EDT

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    screw all you raider haters!!!!!!
  13. Hugo
    13. Posted by Hugo Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:15 pm EDT

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    Hate the Raiders all you want, there have been some great players to put on the mighty Silver and Black!
    We all hate Al Davis, that is a FACT! Man has lost touch plain and simple.
    As for Howie, he was the man and still is the man. Football is a brutal sport and many of these guys are lucky to WALK away in one piece. Howie's got physical problems to deal with now, much like many retired players. For him to not want his son to play for his old team is simple - dad was a Raider when they were a championship team or contender. The organization is in disarray. His son should have a positive experience playing football. Not that the Rams are a contender, they had their window and blew it. But at least his son won't have to go to a dysfunctional organization and won't have to play in the shadow his dad left behind! I miss the Raiders! A lot of fans do! And Howie is still the man!
  14. brian b
    14. Posted by brian b Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm EDT

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    I like Al. My dad even has toilet paper with Al's face on it but it doesn't deter me. He is just a squirel trying to get a nut. I hope he gets that nut so you haters can stfu and let him grow older and die naturally. The raiders might be the Cardinals or the Patriots before 2000 without Al so thank you Al, thanks for the RAIDERS.
  15. Vanillajacobs
    15. Posted by Vanillajacobs Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:31 pm EDT

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    Can't wait until Al leads the team back to the playoffs. Then maybe some of these so-called experts can shut their mouths. The same experts that were never commisioner, coach, owner, gm or anything else related to football.
    Al Davis is responsible for every Superbowl that the Raiders have been to. Including the one in '02. When you lose to the eventual Superbowl Champion three years in a row with the oldest roster in the league you will have to rebuild sometime. Why don't you morons talk crap about some of the teams that haven't won a playoff game since Joe Montana? Like the Chiefs. Or a team that hasn't won a playoff game in 30 years. Like the Cardinals. The fact of the matter is that people are jealous because this supposedly senial man has won more S.B's then their teams have been to. Hate the Raiders if you want but the truth is that they are one of the greatest sports franchises of all time. Plain and simple. When your team has won as much as Oakland then you can talk. Until then, shut up.
  16. RFFL....
    16. Posted by RFFL.... Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:55 pm EDT

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    Anything MJD writes is B.S.
    All of his blogs are just comic relief for people like stud-muffin......
    Oh,and stud-muffin.....whats the name of that ONE hall of famer the boncos have?
  17. RFFL....
    17. Posted by RFFL.... Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:55 pm EDT

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    Stud-muffin....you don't know squat! Tell me why you think Allen got what he got and then I'll tell you the true facts on that whole situation........I'm waiting for your post...and hurry up!
  18. The STUD Boy
    18. Posted by The STUD Boy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:07 pm EDT

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    It's two this year RFFL, will be three next year when Sharpe is elected.
  19. RFFL....
    19. Posted by RFFL.... Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:55 pm EDT

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    studdy...you didn't tell me about the allen story...don't ya know? I didn't think so..your so full of bull s.h.i.t!
  20. Hugo
    20. Posted by Hugo Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:15 pm EDT

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    F!@#$ the broncos!
    they were like the Buffalo Bills, perennial Super Bowl losers! So Elway gets lucky big deal! He became famous for what? Beating the Browns in the last two minutes?!?!?!? F--- the Broncos!
  21. The STUD Boy
    21. Posted by The STUD Boy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:07 pm EDT

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    OK RFFL, let me hear your inside story on Allen? I am sure Al Davis and Marcus Allen were at your cardboard box to discuss the situation, so you would know all the facts. You know, because I was up in the booth calling plays when the Broncos were beating the Packers.
  22. RFFL....
    22. Posted by RFFL.... Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:55 pm EDT

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    stud-muffin...if your trying to find the allen story....you won't!It was a cover-up and did not get released through the media.Quit posting s.h.i.t you know nothing about.And wow! Two HOFamers...thats really something to be proud of.LMAO at you.........
  23. The STUD Boy
    23. Posted by The STUD Boy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:07 pm EDT

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    Oh yeah, also I was there with Pat Bowlen when he fired Dan Reeves, so if you want I can let you in on the personnel insight there. And five super bowls shows there was no luck in Elway, just the greatest QB of all time. And last time the Raiders went to the Super Bowl they got smoked, and last time they won one Regan was in office, in his fisrt term, face the facts Raiders haven't been relevent in over 25 years.
  24. daniel t
    24. Posted by daniel t Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:35 pm EDT

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    Who cares the Cowboys rule
  25. The STUD Boy
    25. Posted by The STUD Boy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:07 pm EDT

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    It was a cover up, wow, were aliens and vampires involved too. I am sure you have all the sources covered. Yes, there was some great conspiracy, Al Davis tried to ruin his career and got his karma when he torched you in KC, or were those fake games that were broadcast into our TV's. You truly do the Retard Nation For Life honor proud. And I really wouldn't worry about the hall of fame, all I know is in the next ten years I am sure there will be more Broncos going in than Raiders.

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