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Thu May 07, 2009 10:30 am EDT

Hines Ward talks about the 'Hines Ward rule'

For a guy who shows up, plays hard and doesn't complain, Hines Ward(notes) sure is a controversial figure. Back in March, the NFL passed a series of new rules, and one of them was unofficially dubbed "The Hines Ward rule." Let's revisit that post from late March.

A blindside block cannot be delivered with a helmet, shoulder or forearm to an opponent's head or neck. That'll be a 15-yard penalty. I don't get the controversy at all about this one. You can still crack back on somebody, just don't lead with your head, and don't aim at another guy's head. I love the rule. Heads and necks are important. Let's keep them intact.

Somehow, the subject came up between Pittsburgh Tribune-Review writer Scott Brown and Hines Ward yesterday, and Hines is still having a bit of trouble embracing the rule.

"It's kind of funny because week in and week out, that's all we see is highlights of somebody getting blown up by a defensive player," Ward said. "In my case it's shunned or doesn't look good or makes me a dirty player. I don't do anything different than what they do to offensive players."

I like Hines, and I admire the physical approach he takes to the downfield blocking, so I hate to take issue here, but I do think he's a little off. Yes, Hines lights up defenders just as defenders try to light up Hines, but it's not quite the same. By the simple nature of their position, there are guys who are simply more vulnerable to dangerous hits. Go browse through YouTube for Hines Ward hits, and see how many of them were from a guy who was ready to protect himself.

When a receiver's made a catch and is carrying the ball, most of the time, he's in a decent position to protect himself. He can see what's coming at him, and if he needs to, he can get down, he can get to the sidelines, he can turn away from the hit. When a receiver's most vulnerable to a big shot is when he's going across the middle. Receivers know that. That's why a lot of them won't do it. Most times when a receiver is left vulnerable to a big stick, he knows it's coming, either because he's crossing the middle, or because a quarterback put him a tough position.

It's a little different for defensive players. And sure, you can say that it's a defender's job to keep his head on a swivel and look out for everyone, but that's not reality. Reality is that he's looking for and chasing the ball carrier. That's his job.

Take a look at the hit that spawned the rule; Hines Ward on Keith Rivers. It's not a dirty play (it will be in 2009, though, post-rule change), but it is a blindside hit. Rivers was not in a position to defend himself, Hines Ward knew that, and he took advantage. He hit a guy who, for whatever the reason, was not in a position to protect himself.

If we can have rules that protect defenseless receivers, why can't we have a rule that protects defenseless defenders?

No one's saying Hines Ward can't hit anymore. He can still hit Keith Rivers(notes) in that situation, he just won't be allowed to lead with his head, shoulder, or forearm, and he won't be allowed to hit Keith Rivers in the head, break his jaw, and put him out for the season. He might have to hit him in the chest, stomach, or legs. Is that really so terrible?

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  1. danimal1172
    1. Posted by danimal1172 Thu May 07, 2009 10:48 am EDT

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    Hinesy is the man. This rule will make him immortal in football history. I agree with the writer though, why protect defenseless receivers but not defenseless defenders. Hines will just have to hit a little lower... that's all. He'll still be blowing up Bart Scott and Ed Reed whenever possible.
  2. steelers r #1
    2. Posted by steelers r #1 Thu May 07, 2009 10:55 am EDT

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    now this is a sissy move by the NFL, i totally agree with ward
  3. Will
    3. Posted by Will Thu May 07, 2009 10:59 am EDT

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    As I watch that video over and over, it doesn't look like it should be illegal. (And no, I'm not a Steelers fan). It looks like Hines leads in, and mostly his shoulder hits Rivers' shoulder. I guess his head must have hit Rivers' jaw, but I can't see that from the video. The commentator even describes it as a nice block.
    I don't know. From reading about it, it sounds like it was a vicious blow to the head from behind cheap shot. The video looks like an honest block from the side, leveraging the shoulder, that happened to have a bad outcome. It doesn't even look like Rivers was defenseless.
    What should Hines have done differently? Aimed lower?
  4. Johnny
    4. Posted by Johnny Thu May 07, 2009 11:03 am EDT

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    Did someone say ----Dirty Player?---Clocking--DBs"---LB when not looking"-Charger Fan!!
  5. jerloma
    5. Posted by jerloma Thu May 07, 2009 11:06 am EDT

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    MJD, you're telling me you just watched that play and saw hines hit rivers in the head? Watch it again.
    As for your logic, perhaps you feel that when an lolb beats a left tackle on a blitz and has an easy sack on the qb, instead of blindsiding him, he should run around to the other side and change directions back towards the qb so that the qb knows he's coming and can get ready for the hit. it's only fair. That's what Merriman would do, right?
  6. Scott E
    6. Posted by Scott E Thu May 07, 2009 11:09 am EDT

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    The rule simply affords the same degree of protection to a defender as was already granted to the offense as a result of the hit by Jack Tatum on Darryl Stingley . What's not to like?
  7. JohnH
    7. Posted by JohnH Thu May 07, 2009 11:13 am EDT

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    The commentator described it as a nice block because at the time it was perfectly legal. Yes, if Hines had drilled him in the body and Rivers broke his jaw while hitting the ground there would be no argument.
    This rule is totally legit; you can still 'tater a guy in the chest ... they're just trying to minimize injuries so we continue to see the best guys 'tatering the best guys throughout the season.
  8. Scott E
    8. Posted by Scott E Thu May 07, 2009 11:17 am EDT

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    @#5 - I don't think it is currently legal to go helmet to helmet or use the arm or forearm to the head of a QB as it is. It's not so much the direction as it is using head and forearm to the head/neck of the "defenseless" player.
  9. Rich B
    9. Posted by Rich B Thu May 07, 2009 11:25 am EDT

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    So Hines Ward won't be allowed to lead with his head, shoulder, or forearm. The what can he lead with. I'm struggling to understand how he can make a block in this situation. Head, Shoulder's and arms are out. Knees and toes then?
  10. Bill T
    10. Posted by Bill T Thu May 07, 2009 11:26 am EDT

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    I would really like to hear Jack Lamberts reaction to this rule!! I'll bet it would be a classic.
  11. Scott E
    11. Posted by Scott E Thu May 07, 2009 11:27 am EDT

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    fred f - calm down. No one is hating on Hines Ward on this subject. They are trying to make it so players can play hard and still go home and play with their children without being in a wheelchair. This "playing the game the way it was intended," is a nebulous and unsubstantiated concept at best, unless you can quote me some founder of the sport as having stated that one of the games primary objectives is to paralyze opposing players from the neck down.
  12. Craig S
    12. Posted by Craig S Thu May 07, 2009 11:27 am EDT

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    Its asinine to think that you can't hit a player just bc he's not looking. May as well play the game with your eyes closed. Then no one could hit you ever.
  13. greg f
    13. Posted by greg f Thu May 07, 2009 11:31 am EDT

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    The problem that arrises from this new rule is that now downfield blockers cannot lead with their' helmet, shoulder, or forearme', so what part of their body are they being asked to sacrifice? Do they now just set picks? Defenders are not in fact unprotected, nor should they be so comfortable in pursuit of a play that they are not looking for a blocker. The only outcome of this will be more personal foul penalties and instances of defensive player taking advantage of this rule and TRUCKING the now handicapped blockers.
    Perhaps the league should switch to the NFFL (National Flag Football League)
  14. Drew L
    14. Posted by Drew L Thu May 07, 2009 11:31 am EDT

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    I'm pretty sure that River's jaw broke when it hit the turf. But really, Hines could have simply given the guy a shove and took him out of the play. As long as the rule is enforced reasonably, it won't affect the game too much.
    And Ward will still find a way to drill people legally.
  15. JRock
    15. Posted by JRock Thu May 07, 2009 11:32 am EDT

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    The HW hit on Keith Rivers is called a "good football play". Rivers needs to get his head on a swivel and play the game. Ward has a job to do as well. Its called blocking down field when he doesn't have the ball. Defenders do not have the right to just "chase the ball carrier" and not be blocked! Hines is doing his job and I hope he continues to light defenders up. It is what football is about. Get in the defenders head and have him thinking about that block the next time. Maybe he doesnt chase as hard and maybe he plays with a little less aggression.
    The following video contains defensive hits that have not been deemed illegal by the NFL.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLvVCZl5M_g
  16. Scott E
    16. Posted by Scott E Thu May 07, 2009 11:35 am EDT

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    Rich B - It's states that the head, shoulders and forearms can't be used to block a player in the hear/neck. He can use them, just not in those vulnerable/vital spots.
  17. Jon
    17. Posted by Jon Thu May 07, 2009 11:37 am EDT

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    There's no way the hit on Rivers should be illegal. If he can't hit him with his head, shoulder or forearm, what's left? His foot? I thought the hit that follows the video, the hit on Ed Reed was a little more dicey. But it still didn't look to me like Hines hit him in the head. He caught Reed looking right, hit him square in the chest and knocked him loopy.
    I don't think Hines 'headhunts' nor do I think many, if any, defenders do. Good tackling, where everybody gets up reasonably healthy, is a technique that isn't taught or used as much as it should. Hines gives and takes good hits. This rule isn't fair to him or any receiver that has to block downfield.
    If receivers can't hit defenders except when their perfectly square with them then defender can't hit receivers until both feet have hit the ground and the receivers can see them.
  18. Instant Money
    18. Posted by Instant Money Thu May 07, 2009 11:39 am EDT

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    It will only be a matter of time before "Godell" breaks out the red flags. Receivers get crushed all of the time going over the middle. Teams should have penalty funds to pay off the players who receive fines from the NFL. Whom ever gets the most fines for illegal hits could get a bonus to cover the penalties. The Tom Brady rule is even a bigger joke than the Ward rule. O-linemen have to stand back up before they can tackle the QB. C'mon, half of their sacks/tackles come from the ground.
  19. jerloma
    19. Posted by jerloma Thu May 07, 2009 11:41 am EDT

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    #9 - Right...so the issue has nothing to do with the other player not looking. It's completely irrelevant. The hit on Rivers was shoulder to shoulder. Didn't go near his head or neck. I think MJD described that play from Randy Cross' point of view.
  20. Simmsinns
    20. Posted by Simmsinns Thu May 07, 2009 11:42 am EDT

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    Hines Ward is a cheap shot artist. Most of his blindsides don't even have an effect on the play.
    Take the cheap shot on Daven Holly for example. Ward lays him out not only when he is not looking, but it was well after the runner was already down.
    So you idiots now think it's OK for Ward to hit whenever the hell he wants too? Well not whenever, just wait till the defender isn't looking, after the play and before the snap is a perfect example. God forbid he actually sees Ward coming.
    I'd really hate to play in an NFL that you rabid front running Steeler fans had control of: New rules, Steelers can do anything so long as its dirty and cheap. If you see a Steelers reciever coming the defender must turn to his side and take the hit. The opposing teams are not allowed to defend themselves, that's a 40 yard penalty and automatic Steeler possession.
  21. you've been pwned!
    21. Posted by you've been pwned! Thu May 07, 2009 11:43 am EDT

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    the Hines Ward rule is bull [profane]. i say get rid of it. hines ward is the most Defensive Offense player i have ever seen.
  22. lj1983
    22. Posted by lj1983 Thu May 07, 2009 11:44 am EDT

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    Jrock - you realize that about half those hits are from college ball? and most of the NFL hits are legit body hits. different story. aaaand...most of those guys are ball carriers, who either have or will have the ball. again a different story as they are going to get hit and know it.
  23. spewing_venom619
    23. Posted by spewing_venom619 Thu May 07, 2009 11:46 am EDT

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    And the panzification of the NFL continues. Why don't we just play flag football or two hand touch above the waist? Those hits by Ward are what brings fans into the seats. How many times have you seen an overthrown ball to a receiver down the middle and he just gets destroyed by a safety or MLB? Make those illegal next? If this keeps up, I'm gonna have to start watching Aussie Rules Football or rugby.
  24. LIFE LONG STEELERS FAN
    24. Posted by LIFE LONG STEELERS FAN Thu May 07, 2009 11:48 am EDT

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    football always has been and always SHOULD be a hard hitting sport!!!! all im saying is ward plays the game like all steelers players in the past have played it, as hard as he can no matter who gets hurt its nothing personal its how things are done in Pittsburgh and if people dont like it tuff luck its not going to change no matter what rules are made to stop it!!!
  25. The Millerz
    25. Posted by The Millerz Thu May 07, 2009 11:48 am EDT

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    Has anyone here played football? All of those people whining about the rule have absolutely no idea what the rule is. DON'T FREAKING HIT SOMEONE IN THE HEAD!!! It is simple. Read the rule. I am all for someone getting crushed, that is part of the game, but if you can't do it the proper way (yes, you know, break down, wrap up) then you aren't as talented as you think you are. Is the logic here that it is okay that the guy ends up breathing through a tube and can't walk again, but hey it was a great hit. Dumbasses!

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