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It's impossible to rank the greatest records in sports history. There are just too many variables, too many skills that are difficult to compare, and too many eras to compare them across.

That shouldn't stop anyone from trying, though. It's tremendous fodder for bar conversations and arguments with drunk friends.

So here's an argument I'd like to present:

If anyone attempts to make a list of the greatest accomplishments/records in sports, and Cal Ripken's consecutive game streak appears anywhere on that list, Brett Favre's record of 253 consecutive starts at quarterback has to appear ahead of it.

No disrespect intended to Ripken, but a quarterback will have more opportunities to get injured in one series than a baseball player will in a couple of months. I don't mean to trivialize the physicality involved in baseball, but ... well, actually, I do. It's a fine sport, but compared to the NFL, it might as well be synchronized swimming.

For Ripken's record, it was more about mental toughness and attitude than it was an actual ability to take a beating. Both Ripken's and Favre's records stretched across 16 seasons. I'd say that makes Favre's mental toughness equal to that of Ripken's, and as far as physical toughness goes, there's really no comparing the two. I doubt Ripken ever felt the morning after a game how Favre feels on your typical Monday morning.

There are other arguments to be made in opposition of Favre having the most impressive longevity record in sports. There are two NFL players with longer consecutive game streaks. One of them is a punter (Jeff Feagles), so let's go ahead and throw that out. The other is Jim Marshall, who played in 282 straight games as a defensive end from 1961-1979.

From '61-'79, however, the game wasn't as fast, physical, or dangerous. Today's players are immeasurably bigger, stronger, faster, and chemically enhanced, and they're also running around throwing more cut blocks at people's knees. Jim Marshall's mark is incredible, for sure, but I'll take 253 starts from a QB today over 282 games from a defensive end in the '60s and '70s.

For 253 games, Brett Favre might as well have taken the field wearing a sign that said, "Please, freakishly athletic and angry 300-pound men, try your hardest to hospitalize me." He's been doing it non-stop since 1992, when he stepped in and started a Week 4 game against the Steelers.

If you've got a fantasy football team, you know how big of a role injuries play in the NFL. The game is so fast and unforgiving. For a guy to make himself a target for every linebacker or defensive lineman on the field about 40 times a game, and do that 253 straight times ... it's mind-boggling.

In order to catch Favre, Peyton Manning, the next guy on the list, is going to have to play through the age 37 without missing another start. He's currently at 160. The most consecutive games any other quarterback has ever started was 116 by Ron Jaworski.

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  1. nano424
    1. Posted by nano424 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:33 pm EDT

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    is this really necessary? do you think even ripken would compare himself to favre?
  2. Sean C
    2. Posted by Sean C Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:10 pm EDT

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    How often do QB's get hit a game? Depends on the line but maybe 4?
  3. Patrick B
    3. Posted by Patrick B Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 pm EDT

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    How many games a week do QB's play? or days for the matter. Baseball is a less physically intensive sport than baseball to be sure, but they play multiple games in a day. They play several times in a week. Over the course of a full year I'm sure Ripken was tackled by quite a few guys trying to get to home. What happens when we get a hockey player who starts for 16 years straight? Does he deserve more respect than Ripken and Favre? Hockey is just a physical as football, but they play far more games in a year. Plus when you get hit in hockey there's a sold object that you're being smashed into (the boards). In the end just achieving these feats should be enough. Each man did an amazing thing and deserves as much respect as the next.
  4. geraldlieteau
    4. Posted by geraldlieteau Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:08 pm EDT

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    im tired of hearing about favre. im so happy he has retired. he has been overrated for about 8 years now. steve young. troy aikman, tom brady, now thats qb's who done something. theres lots of players who won one ring. hey brett, good job. i hope you have a long life. i refuse to believe if a man complains about another mans paycheck he is dosent deserve praise. at last good bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  5. yourmom2day
    5. Posted by yourmom2day Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:58 pm EDT

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    Ripkens is more impressive to me. Football is much more physical, but the number of players in football who play 16 games in a season (esp. QBs) is pretty high compared to the number on players in the majors who play all 162 games. Favre's may not ever be broken, but Ripken's will never ever ever be approached, it is truley unbelievable.
  6. yourmom2day
    6. Posted by yourmom2day Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:58 pm EDT

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    How can be possibly say that they each have equal mental toughness when Ripken's streak was 10X longer? Hands down Favres is more about being physically tough.....but more mental toughness?? Ripken wouldn't have the chance of major injuries, but he must have played hundreds of games with nagging injuries...probably closer to fifteen hundred to two thousand. I am not saying Favre didn't have any injuries, but he didn't play in anywhere near the number of games.
  7. jrgshorty
    7. Posted by jrgshorty Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:42 pm EDT

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    Thanks for the 16 years of fun amazing and great times and plays Farve will always be Numer 4 on the field but Number 1 in our HEARTS
    THANKS BRETT FOR ALL YOU DONE IN GREENBAY
  8. Paddy
    8. Posted by Paddy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:40 pm EDT

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    I have to respectfully disagree. I understand that the nature of the games are different but to play 162 games in like 180 days is incredibly difficult. Hell, playing a doubleheader makes a body awfully worn down for the next day. Plus, in football, you can will yourself to play for 16 games and take an entire week to recover; baseball offers no such down time and you have to grind it out for 162 games. Plus, I don't think that quarterbacks really put themselves at that much of an injury risk as compared to a shortstop who's out there every day.
  9. stickmanrik
    9. Posted by stickmanrik Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:42 pm EDT

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    I have been going to work for 20 years never missed a day, where s my fan fare.
  10. G
    10. Posted by G Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:45 pm EDT

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    Forget arguing football vs baseball.............I love both sports and it's an argument that could go on forever. Here's the thing...............CAL RIPKEN NEVER SET ANY RECORD!!!!!!!! Why does the sports world refuse to acknowlege that Ripken's "streak" was interruped 3 times by a strike??? One of them was 50 games long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell me how this is a consecutive game iron man that had a 50 game rest????? Please..............when will someone step up and challenge this bogus record....................at least put a huge MF asterisk there. Lou Gherig still holds the record in mine and alot of other peoples book.
  11. cliff m
    11. Posted by cliff m Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:27 pm EDT

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    You had me until "the game was less physical in the 60's and 70's. Thats just wrong, look it up, there were more injuries even deaths during these years, they instituted tons of rules to make the game less physical and tough, the way it is now.
  12. Jason B
    12. Posted by Jason B Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 pm EDT

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    I have to agree with the football-vs-baseball comparison. In baseball, imagine if Ripken was getting rushed during every pitch, and if he didn't get rid of the ball in time, he would get crushed by linebackers or defensive ends. A couple of hits like that, and your body takes a beating. Also, in baseball, there is a always a "relief" pitcher; how often has Favre had a reliever come in? Not to mention the fact that baseball games get cancelled at the first sign of bad weather (did anyone ever see some of the games in Green Bay over the years??). Imagine baseball being played in weather similar to winters at Lambeau Field. Try playing in weather below freezing, rain, wind, and people trying to kill you out on the field. that does not happen in baseball. Ripken's streak is amazing; no argument there. However, Favre's streak is no doubt tougher physically; and mentally, it is also just as challenging, if not more so: there was always so much pressure put on Brett to win................Cal, you are the ironman of baseball, but Brett............you are The Ironman!!! Thanks for all you've done for football!!
  13. Patrick B
    13. Posted by Patrick B Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 pm EDT

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    Jason B, who came in to relieve Ripken? He was a catcher, not a pitcher.
  14. Bo
    14. Posted by Bo Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:18 pm EDT

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    Things will not be the same on sunday. No matter who replaces Brett, the level of play he created will be some big shoes to fill. The old man sure taught them kids how to play football, and with a style that only Brett could bring to the game and I as one will miss asking my friends, where are we going to watch the pack PACK play Sunday. There are alot of great quarterbacks over the years, But none like Brett. I will miss saying (Holly S__T! DID YOU SEE THAT) Thank you Brett for all the great plays that only you could do and best wishes with your future! Bo Bilinski Fredonia, N.Y.
  15. foreignbody
    15. Posted by foreignbody Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    Paddy Mac.. Tell your comment to Joe Theisman (Broken Leg), Troy Aikman (Multiple Concussions), Steve Young ( Multiple Concussions) and the many other QB's who have been affected by serious injury!
  16. Batman1960
    16. Posted by Batman1960 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:02 pm EDT

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    What a jerk you are...you should be flipping burgers somewhere...sports writer....please.I can't believe you would even say something like that.....Cal your still the best!
  17. CoryDoo
    17. Posted by CoryDoo Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:29 pm EDT

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    Farve is not the record holder of the consecutive start record. He is behind Jim Marshall in the non-kicker starts list. A lineman starting that many games with contact on every play by far outshines what Farve did.
  18. orangerobbie
    18. Posted by orangerobbie Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:55 pm EDT

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    As a Packer fan I wholeheartedly agree with MJD.
    But as a father of two great synchronized swimmers, one of whom "plays" with intense pain every time she swims, I could take offense on their behalf.
    But I'd rather take the PR plug you gave synchronized swimming by including it as a sport. After all, any PR is good PR as long as they spell your name right!
    ps: Its too late for Bart Starr to come back...so Brett, please give it 1 more go. Tom Selleck did it for Magnum PI.
  19. Jim
    19. Posted by Jim Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    Ok. Lets break it down. Baseball Football
    162 Games a year 16 Games a year
    6-7 Months a year 3 Months a year
    Travels 2-3 times a week Travels 1 time a week
    Plays in 100degree pluss heat Plays in cold
    Plays Offense and Defense Plays Offense Only (Half game)
    Lets also mention that baseball players and infielders in particular do alot of running and diving which leads to a high chance of injuries. Pulled muscles and sprains are common. I am by no means stating Brett's strsak is meaningless. I mean that was a very impressive run. The best in the game, but I truly believe it does not compare to what Cal has done. Peace out!!
  20. douche
    20. Posted by douche Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    There is ZERO contact in baseball. There is a SportsCenter highlight MAYBE once a month where there is some kind of contact. In a single month there are what, like 400 games and maybe 5 incidents of contact.
    Football is a CONTACT SPORT and is second only to UFC in terms of amount of contact. I'm sorry but saying that a baseball player COULD get "sprained muscles" doesn't compare to Favre constantly getting drilled by people 2-3 times larger than the biggest steroid-juiced baseball player in the major leagues as well as playing through numerous hand, shoulder, leg, and foot injuries.
    Did Ripken ever play with more than a hangnail? It seems like he just had a good balance of training, stretching, and luck where Favre got hit in ways that no one could ever predict and got the same injuries as every other QB but played through them.
    As for lineman playing for a long time, yes it is fairly impressive but remember that they see 95% of their contact coming where QBs only see maybe 60%.
  21. CoryDoo
    21. Posted by CoryDoo Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:29 pm EDT

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    If you see it or not really does not matter. Marshall also played in an era where there was a lot more playing that today would earn a player fines and suspensions. The players today are immune to the head slaps and leg whips that were common in the 60's and 70's. The equipment today is like armor compared to what is was in the past. Marshall IS the ironman of football, hands down.
  22. Jason B
    22. Posted by Jason B Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 pm EDT

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    Patrick B: Ooops!! My bad; didn't he play shortstop and third base? Well, either way you cut it, I still think that Favre's streak was still more demanding physically, and just the enormous pressure of being the quarterback, and all that carries with it , and combined with the weather factors, and people trying to bury him in the turf, etc............(in my humble opinion). Peace
  23. guido70
    23. Posted by guido70 Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    o.k., so let's look at the comparison. baseball; you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball. football; you throw the ball, you catch the ball, you run the ball for yardage & points, you kick the ball for points, there are no super long pauses so that the pitcher can scratch himself or make dinner plans with the catcher. ripkin was great, favre was great, they did their jobs. TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe that's the real story. SPORTS HEROS DOING THEIR JOBS NO MATTER WHAT. like we all have to.
  24. Sam F
    24. Posted by Sam F Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:02 pm EDT

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    BRETT FAVRE is by far the best quarterback and football player in nfl history WE LOVE YOU BRETT!!!
  25. Scott G
    25. Posted by Scott G Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:12 pm EDT

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    I'm going to go with Ripken still because he holds the record for consecutive innings played. I wonder who holds the record for consecutive quarters played?

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