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There are currently eight NFL teams that play in domes (three of them being retractable). Of those eight, four are undefeated when playing at home, and three are undefeated, period. This prompted the Wall Street Journal to ask the question: Is it time for the NFL to ban domes?

Obviously, no one's going to ban domes, but there is some evidence that dome teams have an advantage in the regular season. You can read the WSJ article for the statistical details, but it basically boils down to this: Dome teams can be dominant in the regular season, and most of the best scoring offenses in NFL history have been dome teams. When the playoffs roll around, however, you probably don't want to be a dome team.

Of course, two of the worst teams in the NFL, the Rams and Lions, play indoors, so it doesn't work out for everyone. In order for it to be an advantage, you've got to build your team for it: speed, precision and timing, particularly in the passing game. See the Indianapolis Colts and New Orleans Saints for examples. Depending on the building, crowd noise can be a huge factor, too.

The bad news is that eventually, you're going to have to venture out of that dome, and your team that's built for a perfect surface, 70 degrees, and immunity to weather might have to play in Pittsburgh in January. It will be cold, precipitating, and if you attempt to cut, a chunk of Heinz Field roughly the size of a cheerleader will come loose. Best of luck, dome team.

Anyway, it's a fun philosophical football discussion to have: If you were an owner, would you build a dome, or would you play outdoors? There are a lot of factors. You know, a lot of ins, a lot of outs, a lot of what-have-yous. If you ever have that discussion with me, I'll be building my fake team in an outdoor stadium. I don't care if it's in unexplored Yukon territory, I'm not doing anything that puts me at a disadvantage in the playoffs.

Of course, none of that matters, because none of that has anything to do with why domes really exist, which is money. You'll draw more fans in Detroit or Minnesota if you're not asking them to spend four hours outdoors when it's four degrees. You'll draw more fans in Arizona if you don't insist that your fans roast themselves for four hours. Domes are also easier to sell to cities and taxpayers, as they're more likely able to be used for things other than football.

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  1. Rock U.
    1. Posted by Rock U. Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:00 pm EDT

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    First!
    I love hanging out on the corner....... is that bad?
  2. Terrell B
    2. Posted by Terrell B Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:05 pm EDT

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    Yeah, I remember a really wet superbowl in Florida. The indoor team won.
  3. Anton
    3. Posted by Anton Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:09 pm EDT

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    It largely depends on your playing style. If you are a smashmouth team, a dome would not really matter. You'd want that outside advantage because come winter time, you have the edge and likely to win if the weather is bad. Domes and high-scoring teams in the NFL are a lot like college teams that don't play NFL-style of play and rely highly on their offense, which often fails against a defense-first SEC team if they can take away the pass. I don't really think it matters however because what does matter is defense in the playoffs and you better hope that your defense turns it up like the Cardinals did last year or else you'll be murdered come Superbowl time.
    I personally loved the last two Superbowls - both pretty high scoring games that really depended on who would get the last possession. Let's have another one! Support the Manning bowl, please.
  4. Anton
    4. Posted by Anton Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:16 pm EDT

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    An addition. If you;re a defense-first team, would it entice opponents to throw more if you are in a dome thus playing right into your hands? Something to think about.
  5. Ranger275
    5. Posted by Ranger275 Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:20 pm EDT

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    MJD, 4 degrees in the winter is a balmy day in Minnesota.
  6. David
    6. Posted by David Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:37 pm EDT

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    I'm not buying the "Sell-out hypothesis". I am a Cleveland Browns Fan (hold your laughter) who has witnessed a string of sell-outs throughout years of a sub-par product being on display. Regardless of weather. In fact, I believe that fans like ours, and other outdoor teams such as our rival Steelers, take great pride in being there regardless of Mother Nature. It is something to beat your chest about -- especially if you have bared it when it is 2 degrees outside. It is another aspect you can use to argue that your team's fans are amongst the best in the league. So to heck with Detroit, Minnesota, and Arizona fans. Having trouble selling out? That's because your fans suck.
  7. Robert
    7. Posted by Robert Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:38 pm EDT

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    Domes are handy, sure, but if Arizona or New Orleans played outside all the time, they'd still have trouble adjusting to the cold up north. Snow is a foreign word to these climates, and just suggesting that they play outside would not prepare the team to do well in colder climates. Domes help seasonal games, sure, but if the teams are playing well outside of their norms, domed teams will have difficulty.
    So let's hear it for New Orleans' push for home-field advantage! Florida won't be a difficult Super Bowl anyway!
  8. K Smith
    8. Posted by K Smith Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:39 pm EDT

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    Ask any player, they'll tell you it doesn't matter. BOTH teams have to play on the field at any given time and are subject to the came conditions. Practices are held at a different training facility, not at the field they play on sunday, so they could be indoors for practice, outdoors for gametime and vice-versa.
    As a hockey player, I can tell you ice conditions do play a factor, but it factors for both teams. As an offensive player, I know that if there's a soft spot in the ice, I might be able to time it to where the defenseman get a skate in it and it slows them down enough for me to make a move around. But at the same time, that defenseman can work an offensive player into that spot where the puck hits and and stops the rush.
    Field conditions work both ways.
  9. Good Guy
    9. Posted by Good Guy Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:40 pm EDT

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    I'd definitely build a dome. Mostly for the passing game and kickers. But I don't think its that big of a difference. Besides, the "perfect playing field" that you mentioned is becoming universal as outdoor teams move to synthetic turf.
  10. Isaac M
    10. Posted by Isaac M Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:33 pm EDT

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    Nice marmot. I mean Big Lebowski reference.
  11. Mat M
    11. Posted by Mat M Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:37 pm EDT

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    I wish the Rams would demolish their dome and build an open air stadium. The least it would do is improve the turf.
  12. More
    12. Posted by More Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:38 pm EDT

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    Saints can run the ball as well as pass, so the cold weather won't be as big of a deal. If a team is a Dome team AND primarily passing, then they might have problem. This season Detroit's dome was taken over by Pittsburg fans, so how does that figure in? Seems like old Joe Montana did o.k. throwing to Jerry Rice all those years in San Fransisco. Brady looked pretty good in the snow this past weekend.
    Most all players played somewhere it was cold, High school, College or Pro, eventually they almost all get some cold weather exposure.
    Seems this guy is just trying to find a story, which I read.
  13. PleaseFireMJD
    13. Posted by PleaseFireMJD Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:39 pm EDT

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    You'll try anything to knock the Colts, you loser Chargers fan. It's not like it matters for the Colts. They go to either Pittsburgh or Gillette Stadium every year and still compete. They certainly don't fall apart like the Titans did. Oh yeah, and they won the Superbowl in the damn RAIN. So nice try saying it's the dome that makes the Colts good. And timing in the passing game? Really? Drew Brees and Peyton Manning have great timing in the passing game because they practice it all the time. Horrible article.
  14. ColtsThunder
    14. Posted by ColtsThunder Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    The whole thing is stupid. The colts won the superbowl outside in a pouring rain against a team the plays outside.
  15. Cursor
    15. Posted by Cursor Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:31 pm EDT

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    Well I'm a Cleveland fan, and I go to the games regardless of the weather. When the Ravens come to town, I'll be there, Pitt comes on a Thursday night in December, I'll be there. They can build a dome if they like, but it doesn't matter to me.
  16. STABLES
    16. Posted by STABLES Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    There are actually NINE domes or retractable roof stadiums currently in use in the NFL., 2 in the AFC and 7 in the NFC:
    Atlanta
    Arizona
    Dallas
    Detroit
    Houston
    Indianapolis
    Minnesota
    New Orleans
    St. Louis
  17. Patrick B
    17. Posted by Patrick B Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:35 pm EDT

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    Do any of you posters really think that it doesn't matter? Statistics show exactly how much of a change it can be. If you don't need to worry about wind as a kicker, or worry about weather as a QB then it's clearly helpful. The people saying it doesn't matter are the same ones saying the Titans did so poorly because of the snow. So which is it? Open football can affect the game, or a dome doesn't matter? Domes are great for passers. Completely controlled enviroments cut out a ton of variables (weather, temperature, wind, additional distractions) and allow the QB to focus more on the play. Yes there will still be distractions (fans, the opponent, camera flashes, etc) but if you can cut some out it helps. However if you don't train to deal with those problems when they pop up, you'll have a harder time of it later on. Marathon runners practive in Denver constantly, because the air is thinner and it's a lot harder on the body. Then when they run in Boston or anywhere else, they have a far easier time of it. The same thing goes for teams that practice in tougher conditions. If you're ready to deal with a horrible field, getting into a dome will help out.
  18. De La Resma Insurance Agency
    18. Posted by De La Resma Insurance Agency Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:02 pm EDT

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    Jerry Jones does not let go any good player unless he does not have any other use for it. Owens was very good but age it is a big factor in sport
  19. Fitzy
    19. Posted by Fitzy Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:31 pm EDT

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    "Domes are great for passers."
    Someone obviously forget to give Tom Brady this memo last week.
  20. ZacharyD
    20. Posted by ZacharyD Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:43 pm EDT

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    Football belongs outdoors. Domes are simply there for the fans - the first domed stadium, the Astrodome was built because Houston's baseball team had trouble attracting fans due to the extreme heat during summer. Not sure why the Oilers needed to move indoors - Rice Stadium is NFL sized (70,000 capacity) and hosted a Super Bowl - notably when it appeared that tropical storm damge would prevent a game at Reliant Stadium, they would have had no problem (well, other than lack of luxury seats and amenities) moving the game to Rice Stadium. I believe that the Superdome was the second dome - it was primarily built because Tulane Stadium had a major parking problem (it had about 100 onsite parking spots for an 80,000 seat stadium). It wasn't because you couldn't play outdoor football in New Orleans - Tulane had played there for more than 40 years, the Saints played there for almost a decade, the Super Bowl had been there for 40 years, and they played three Super Bowls there (Tulane Stadium has the distinction of having the final game ever played there being the Super Bowl).
    Interesting that out of the pure dome stadiums, already three have been abandoned (the original Astrodome, the Silverdome, and the Hooiser Dome) and one is likely to be abandoned soon (the Metrodome). That should speak volumes - the retractable roof stadiums are kind of a compromise - and like any compromise they are well, compromised.
    Interesting note about Minnesota - when the Gophers opened their new stadium this year, they considered building another dome until they looked at the average temperature in Minnesota in the fall - they concluded that it rarely, if ever was the case that conditions were so bad they couldn't play outside. Now, the NFL has a longer season than most, but if Green Bay, Chicago, Cleveland, and Buffalo can sell out games (especially since Cleveland and Buffalo aren't even good) in the middle of winter, anyone can.
  21. LT
    21. Posted by LT Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:52 pm EDT

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    If "better" teams all play in domes, why do they end up having to go to Pittsburgh in January? Shouldn't they be hosting the playoff games?
  22. eugenetandukar
    22. Posted by eugenetandukar Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:08 pm EDT

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    first of all it doesn't matter if teams play in domes or not because i think they played outdoors in their college years and the colts and other teams that have retractable roofs it doesn't effect them
  23. Johnny Appleseed
    23. Posted by Johnny Appleseed Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:32 pm EDT

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    When it comes right down to it, you want one thing and one thing only: to win the Super Bowl. Are Super Bowls usually played on a messy outdoor field, or in ideal, dome-like conditions?
  24. Irish Bastard
    24. Posted by Irish Bastard Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:36 pm EDT

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    CONGRATS ..................Rock U...............YOU ARE THE 1st MORONIC IDIOT TO SAY 1st !
    WAY TO GO GOOF !
    Why dont they do a poll on since those domes have been buildt .The wins ?
    They should give EVERY CITY with a team a chance to have a SB there. I mean shoot they play playoffs outside and it snows or rains whoopy do. OLD TIME FOOTBALL IS DEAD !
    Brady Rule
    Hines rule
    How about the LET THEM PLAY RULE !
  25. T D K
    25. Posted by T D K Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:33 pm EDT

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    All domes should be blown up immediately, without question.....period. While you're at it, spread the hash marks and let them play football again. This used to be a football league, not an "entertainment venue"

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