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Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:10 am EDT

Do the Raiders ... not ... suck?

It's hard to say for sure, because their opposition didn't provide the sternest of tests, but ... could it be? Could it be that the Oakland Raiders managed to impersonate a non-ridiculous football team for 60 minutes last night?

They competed. They were more physical than the Chargers. In the end, San Diego's offensive weapons proved to be just a bit too much, but for a good portion of the game, it looked like Oakland's physicality would rule the day. They had me very, very concerned that Tuesday would be a dark, dark day for me.

If you've been reading The Corner for any time at all, you know I don't want to be typing this. Mocking the Raiders is perhaps my favorite hobby. It brings me tremendous joy. I don't want to stop, but I might have to.

This is a legitimate defense. Up front, Tommy Kelly(notes) and Richard Seymour(notes) (not worth a 2011 first-rounder, but still) can make plays. Greg Ellis(notes) is a solid veteran. There is athleticism and talent at linebacker with Thomas Howard(notes) and Kirk Morrison(notes). Everyone knows about Nnamdi Asomugha(notes).

I don't want to go overboard here, because obviously, there are still some problems. I'm not predicting a winning record or anything, and JaMarcus Russell(notes) isn't making the Pro Bowl anytime soon.

That was not the performance of a joke of a team, though. If nothing else, they didn't have the constant mental errors and penalties that have consistently embarrassed the Raiders over the last few years. They played competent football. Maybe it wasn't great football, or even winning football, but it was competent. It was respectable. For the first time in a long time, the Raiders scared me, and it had nothing to do with the fact that some of those people in the stands might roam the streets freely.

At least until their next game, I'll be suspending all jokes about how the Raiders play football. They earned that last night.

Jokes about Raiders fans, though, remain on the table. I mean, come on.

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  1. Amoc
    1. Posted by Amoc Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:26 am EDT

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    You're an idiot dude. The Chargers got OUTPLAYED for 56 minutes last night. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. The refs made an awful call to take away a touchdown, which might not have made a difference in the end (The Chargers are clearly still the better team, but the Raiders are getting there) and if not for one bad defensive stand, the Raiders would be standing victorious.
    To say that this isn't winning football is ridiculous. You forget that the Raiders sport a young offense that is learning on the fly. They have what it takes to be at the very least a 7-9 team. It's not good enough for me, but it is however good enough not to be treated like the NFL's basement dwellers.
    Stop acting like you're only guy who talks down to the raiders fans and organization. You're a pea in the pod. It's fashionable. I just don't know that it's worth this post. You still couldn't give them kudos on outplaying a supposed Championship contender. What is it going to take to make you eat your hat?
  2. DR
    2. Posted by DR Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:28 am EDT

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    They impressed indeed. MOAR
  3. Daniel L
    3. Posted by Daniel L Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:28 am EDT

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    1st.
    Yeah you better keep your mouth shut. Right now after watching the RAIDERS man handle the dolts all game long I would say the AFC West is ripe for the RAIDERS to pick!!!
    One Nation
  4. DR
    4. Posted by DR Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:29 am EDT

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    Bills and Raiders should have won and outplayed their opponents. More games NAO
  5. DR
    5. Posted by DR Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:33 am EDT

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    Yo, MJD, I'm really happy for you, and I'ma let you finish, but the raiders are one of the greatest teams of all time!
  6. ryan c
    6. Posted by ryan c Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:33 am EDT

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    And not one mention of how the refs stole the game by ruling that touchdown catch incomplete.
  7. raiderlore
    7. Posted by raiderlore Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:38 am EDT

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    MJD- you are an complete moron, not all raiderfans where silly costumes or are complete thugs. People in your position or even worse on television who make pointless and rediculous comments about the fans of the Oakland Raiders are the ones who make people afraid to come out to the games. Have you ever been to a raider game and met any of the true die hard Raider fans??? Probably not, your too busy hiding behind your computer coming up with your pointless drivel or your latest corny insult of Al Davis, or looking over the stats of the last six years rather than those of the entire life of the organization. You and the other media who like to badmouth the Raiders should just get over and find something else to do, it really is getting quite old and boring, thanks.
  8. MJD
    8. Posted by MJD Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:39 am EDT

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    You try to be nice to people ...
  9. Joe K
    9. Posted by Joe K Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:49 am EDT

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    On the other hand -- if that 4th quarter injury to JaMarcus had been worse, we'd be ripping them to shreds for cutting Garcia and leaving themselves with Gradkowski. That criticism will have to wait a week or so.
  10. a.gee
    10. Posted by a.gee Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:54 am EDT

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    If Russel could have been more accurate, they would've upset San Diego! I was surprised at how competitive this game was though... it made for great MNF, you gotta admit....
  11. Anthony G
    11. Posted by Anthony G Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:00 am EDT

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    I enjoy reading this column, and I am a raider fan. That may seem like an odd pairing however I am able to separate truth from hope. The raiders have been playing lousy the last couple of years(couple used loosely refering to the time period of 2002 to the present) but the game today showed hope. We have a good young team and the game was fun to watch. I am still not sold on J. Russel and Gradkowski actually looked decent out there. However without a solid quarterback this team will not go further than an 7-9 record.
    Joking about the play of the raiders is one thing, since again they have been highly disparaging. It however does not look bad at the present time and is on its way up rather than down. Joking about the raider fans though is a different thing. I rather have people who support the team I care about showing up an rooting for it however they want through the good and bad. Through the good and bad this is raider fans. Showing up in their exorbitant outfits and with the utmost intent to cheer their team to victory. I will take this any day over a fan of any of perennial losing teams like the Cleveland Browns or Cincinnati Bengals who when the going gets tough, will wear garbage bags on their heads in support of their team.
  12. Warren S
    12. Posted by Warren S Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:01 am EDT

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    Can you really be called any type of blogger/reporter if you do not watch but comment on certain teams? The Raiders played that well on defense many times last year. People just focus on the 3-4 terrible games they played and keep joking about how bad they are. They were 4 quarters of decen t football away from 9-7 last year and being a lousy playoff team.
  13. SilverExl
    13. Posted by SilverExl Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:07 am EDT

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    Yeah the chargers looked like they weren't ready and the raiders did play a good game... but still our record is 1-0 what's yours raiders? good game though.
  14. Jay L.
    14. Posted by Jay L. Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:34 am EDT

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    Poor charger fans. you guys make me laugh. Your so called team you guys are so proud has gotten nowhere. how many years have you been the "favorites"? before these past 6 years where has your team gone. nowhere. except for that ass kickin in the superbowl 20 years ago., you guys still have nothing. you bolt fans know damn well you were shaking in your boots tonight, getting flashbacks of all those years we kicked your asses. Tonight was just a glimpse of what we're about to become, a dominant defense, dominant running attack, and once we can get some experience in our receiving group, watch out! in the meantime go ahead and spin your wheels and get nowhere... and before you know it.. we'll be kings of the afc west once again!
    RAIDER NATION
  15. mike
    15. Posted by mike Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:51 am EDT

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    all the raider fans posting here are retarded. nothing they say makes any sense. even if that catch was ruled a td, the chargers would win because theyre a better team. they would have scored 2 tds at the end if necessary. it is impossible for the raiders to beat the chargers this year.
  16. The Great Enemy
    16. Posted by The Great Enemy Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:25 am EDT

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    I don't know about everyone else but the game was very good. I liked the raiders play except for the call on the TD at half the raiders. This was a very good game till the bolts luck at the end of the game. But I think the raiders are getting on the right track on rebuilding the franchise. Strong D, Power Running and vertical passing game.
    I am really looking forward to watching the raiders this year. Who knows if the bolts can actually win a playoff game. As I am sure having LT on the sideline for the last two minutes was a subtle move of LT going bye bye.
    GO RAIDERS
  17. BlueStar67
    17. Posted by BlueStar67 Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:27 am EDT

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    Raiders got jobbed, that was a TD for Murphy. As soon as a player posseses the ball and crosses the goal line it is a TD, even if for a split second. He possesed it clearly with both feet in bounds = TD. The ball bobbled after he scored and was rising to celebrate.
    The game should have at least gone to overtime where the Raiders would have had at least a 50/50 shot at winning, as Sebass has a superior kicking range. This was as bad as Hochuli;s bad call against the Chargers/Denver game last year... if we miss the playoffs by one game, the refs should be fired.
  18. John
    18. Posted by John Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:34 am EDT

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    Everything happens in cycles.
    As an early teen in the late seventies, I remember the Raiders on MNF kicking asses, including my Chargers. Air Coryell swung the pendulum in the early eighties, and there was no more entertaining team than SD then (Thank you,Don Coryell.) After the loss to Cincinnati in the Ice Bowl, my Chargers started sliding back into anonymity again. At least was there was a climax then, and again in '95 against the Niners in SB 29, before we entered another glacial period until 2001 (Bobby Ross, Thank you, too.) There's a lot of data to support the claim that most SB contenders who almost make it over the top become deflated the following season. I'm also a Sacramento Kings fan, and you remeber what happened to them after Game Six in the Western Conference Finals against the Lakers? They lost their winning identity, period.
    Where's the grand anti-climax with the Chargers this time around? I say it was the departure of Marty at the hands of AJ Smith that ultimately will show the Chargers a hasty conclusion to their season hopes by week 9 this year.
    It's not fair to pre-judge people, but I never liked the look or the past coaching of Norv Turner. SD LOVED Marty. AJ didn't, and it's dirty politics, not good front office business that drives yet another SD team to a mediocre fate.
    The last two years were a sham. I love my Chargers till the day I die, but that's the honest truth. The Raiders deserve credit for exposing us, but if Al Davis' dysfunctional Raiders, albeit improved, can embarrass my team on the field like last night, how dysfunctional are we right now?
    I hope I'm wrong, but I think this cycle has run its course, and San Diego's ill-deserved hype is gone for another five years.
    Please let me be wrong.
    John C, Charger Fan for Life
  19. Tony
    19. Posted by Tony Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:52 am EDT

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    I would go to Manchester & root against the Manchester United, but never in my life would I go to Oakland & root against the Raiders!!!
  20. wolf h
    20. Posted by wolf h Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:28 am EDT

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    Raiders should have won that game Ricky Brown couldn't match up with sproles that was the difference in the game and God please Chaz come back next week Louis Murphy is a player like I expected which is why I wanted the Raiders to draft BJ Raji But once Chaz get back I think Russ will be ok because those two were clicking in the Dallas game and he broke his foot in practice. Also hope Barnes get healthy Green was the one offensive lineman who played horrible everybody else did great even Gallery. Henderson is a future Pro bowler lights out got no sacks tonight. But Russ has to step up if he steps up this team will win 11 games this year yeah I said it the Raiders could win 11 this year.
  21. wolf h
    21. Posted by wolf h Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:28 am EDT

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    Raiders should have won that game Ricky Brown couldn't match up with sproles that was the difference in the game and God please Chaz come back next week Louis Murphy is a player like I expected which is why I wanted the Raiders to draft BJ Raji But once Chaz get back I think Russ will be ok because those two were clicking in the Dallas game and he broke his foot in practice. Also hope Barnes get healthy Green was the one offensive lineman who played horrible everybody else did great even Gallery. Henderson is a future Pro bowler lights out got no sacks tonight. But Russ has to step up if he steps up this team will win 11 games this year yeah I said it the Raiders could win 11 this year.
  22. wolf h
    22. Posted by wolf h Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:28 am EDT

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    Raiders should have won that game Ricky Brown couldn't match up with sproles that was the difference in the game and God please Chaz come back next week Louis Murphy is a player like I expected which is why I wanted the Raiders to draft BJ Raji But once Chaz get back I think Russ will be ok because those two were clicking in the Dallas game and he broke his foot in practice. Also hope Barnes get healthy Green was the one offensive lineman who played horrible everybody else did great even Gallery. Henderson is a future Pro bowler lights out got no sacks tonight. But Russ has to step up if he steps up this team will win 11 games this year yeah I said it the Raiders could win 11 this year.
  23. Max_Powers
    23. Posted by Max_Powers Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:45 am EDT

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    Anyone who thinks the Raiders fans are the biggest cryers in sports has obviously never watched or read about hockey. Detroit gets that hands down and they have an excellent team.
    Raiders did OK, but the Chargers really crapped the bed. 8-8 won't be good enough for the playoffs this year, and who the heck keeps putting them up as a contender every year?? Yeah they're exciting to watch, sometimes. I don't know if it's coaching or just their inconsistency (probably due to attitude) but someone wake me up when they actually win something.
    I feel bad for LT, like Willie P, he's got no run blocking at all. Both are going to have their careers fizzle embarassingly, through no fault of their own.

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